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Epic: The barrier between Xbox and PlayStation "will inevitably come down"
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A 70+ million user base is nothing to sneeze at, no matter how many iOS and Android users they get.
Now, I'm not remotely saying Epic would see the same number of players per unit as they would on console, but Apple moved that many iPhones last quarter.
But if MS take the lead then they will block crossplay again while Sony will be open for it.
Who has the bigger userbase didn't want to share it.
I was replying to tbyte64's post:
I didn't say Sony needs Epic more than the other way around. What I meant is that Epic may not be so dependent on Sony as many here seems to think. Yes, Epic will lost lots of money if Fornite were not on PS4 but I think the same can be said to Sony as well.
What I was trying to say is that Sony's bargaining power in this matter is no longer that huge as long as mobile platform is on the discussion table. Why should f2p devs care about console platforms when mobile gaming's entry level is close to non existent because of the obiquity of smartphones? I think that's a great argument for Epic or any f2p giants going forward.
No they won't.
They've openly pushed for it. No chance they take it back now. Pandora's box has been opened. Can't close it now.
If we're gonna measure the console gaming industry against Apple, then it might as well not exist.
Epic is not gonna gain infinite players and profitability from the mobile versions alone. These consoles are still a large part of their resources.
OK, so another I don't care post from somebody posting on a crossplay thread. You also know the future so you will never know somebody that owns a Switch with a fame you might want to play with in the future. It's a simple question of saying yes I want crossplay or no I don't given the chance.
No they won't. Stop with the hypothetical horsecrap. MS wouldn't play because PSN was vulnerable and had already been down. Why would they open their playerbase to a half assed network. People need to stop using this as an excuse.
Here is the quote from June 2011. "Xbox Live delivers the best entertainment experience unmatched by anyone else, with 35 million actively engaged members. We have a high level of expectation for our game developers to ensure that all Live experiences remain top notch. Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/kotaku...-to-play-against-an-xbox-360-but-you-wont/amp
That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Everyone values the different pros and cons of a console in a different way. Are you capable of answering the question? Or are you another one of the "I don't care about crossplay" team?
It won't ever happen while Sony is the market leader.
It's still a Japanese company at heart and They would never give away a competitive advantage like this.
You are better off trying to get Nintendo to discount their first party titles in the first 6 months of release.
It's still a Japanese company at heart and They would never give away a competitive advantage like this.
You are better off trying to get Nintendo to discount their first party titles in the first 6 months of release.
Which is very, very close to the response Jim Ryan gave, except he made a PR blunder and everyone jumped on the "think of the children" angle.
It obviously makes no difference at all to Xbox players if there was crossplay last gen and PSN went down for a whole month. Just like Xbox won't be impacted whatsoever should Nintendo-Online have launch issues or the iOS Fortnite build has a connectivity issue.
That...doesn't look like it's mainstream.
I recall hearing differently. Please show me any communication that states from Sony that network security was an issue for then preventing crossplay.
That... Shows how things are changing. That's a pretty sharp change by any standard. The last 5 years were practically flat on crossplay public perception.
I don't think anyone has questioned their reasoning if why they are doing it.
I don't see this happening. It takes an advantage away from the dominant platform and gives it to the smaller ones.
Hence how Microsoft did the exact same thing last gen, then changed their tune when they were no longer in the lead.
If this dominance is flipped next gen, I expected Sony and Microsoft's policies to flip too. Again.
Hence how Microsoft did the exact same thing last gen, then changed their tune when they were no longer in the lead.
If this dominance is flipped next gen, I expected Sony and Microsoft's policies to flip too. Again.
I think there's a good contrast here too. Nintendo is a Kyoto based company, and likely the only global based company that comes out of Kyoto (I really don't know of any others besides Nintendo). Kyoto is seeped in tradition. Not say like Tokyo, a more modern region, where Sony originates, and where plenty of global Japanese companies come from. Yet Nintendo, the traditional based company is okay with crossplay.
Not only that, but as far as Sony is concerned, they do allow crossplay with the actual users that matter :- Mobile and PC.
Whether you like the reasoning or not, Sony is not in the business of rewarding people who purchase competing platforms.
I feel if crossplay is something you feel that strongly about, you should just sell your PS4 and get an Xbox.
Well yeah, because it's actually being implemented, so it went from flatlined to having a small pulse, but that really doesn't shed light on the specific issue of Sony not allowing crossplay getting any sort of real attention.
The Microsoft statement you quoted doesn't mention network security whatsoever. Just nebulous "quality".
Because Nintendo is so hopelessly behind in the online space they need all the help they can get. They can only benefit from crossplay in a way that even Microsoft will not.
Considering the way they conduct every other area of their business, I find very hard to believe if Nintendo network was anyway comparable to Live or PSN they would be so keen.
Then you did not read the whole sentence from which you just quoted a single word.
"Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability."
"Yeah. We've got to be mindful of our responsibility to our install base. Minecraft - the demographic playing that, you know as well as I do, it's all ages but it's also very young. We have a contract with the people who go online with us, that we look after them and they are within the PlayStation curated universe."
Yes their network security was a issue for them because they don't want to expose their users... basically the same reply of MS using different words.
I actually hope Sony doesn't cave. A locked ecosystem is better for the health of PlayStation and the gaming industry.
Having a locked ecosystem is the only reason Xbox Game Pass exist right now.
Competition is a good thing.
MS could leave the hardware side of things and go third party if they really want a piece of the PlayStation community.
Having a locked ecosystem is the only reason Xbox Game Pass exist right now.
Competition is a good thing.
MS could leave the hardware side of things and go third party if they really want a piece of the PlayStation community.
Sony used the excuse that their network is the best and they can't guarantee the quality of others?
Lol no.
Sony said "Think of the children" while allowing those children to play against the PC Players lol.
This gen wise I don't see it happening unless devs/pubs stop doing half step measures by not fully implementing all platforms they target/want. Until then Sony can probably afford to ride the bad PR until next gen as the noise isn't big enough/mainstream yet. Next gen will hopefully be a full reset on their stance.
Do you really think that was the issue given "on other consoles or gaming networks,". It's the same angle as Sony just a different less shitty statement.
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That's just his wishful thinking. There's little financial gain in rival console crossplay, if any at all. And at the end of the day that's the driving factor. MS has completely changed their strategy to reflect "play anywhere" and talk of their games on every console. Sony's bread and butter is "buy a PlayStation to play PlayStation games & to play with PlayStation friends". So no Epic boss, that barrier probably isn't ever coming down.
Playerbase is behind their network security you know...
Differents words for the same excuse...
"Think of the children" was a overreacted quote here... the statement was about maintaining the security of their playbase from external agents... anybody can understand they were talking about not opening the PSN network due security of the playerbase.
And yes children plays PlayStation.
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Yeah. I have already stated and listed what I mean, instead now the three that are refuting haven't posted anything other than that's what they meant when they stated something else. So please when you can actually post a quote that supports what you mean by not inferring out of context to bend to your narritive please do.
So, this cross-play thing was announced nearly 1 year ago and companies only understand numbers. Did it affect Sony's revenues in any way? Doesn't seem so.
What can we infer from that? That it isn't as a big deal as many people want it to look like.
Is it a good thing? Nope, it isn't and Sony should do something to allow it, in its own terms. I'm sure things are moving and the barrier will eventually come down. Maybe this gen, maybe next.
Funny how people forget the first answer Jim Ryan gave, quoting only the children part in a twisted way.
But yeah, let's go with the meme. This is the internet and we are all funny.
What can we infer from that? That it isn't as a big deal as many people want it to look like.
Is it a good thing? Nope, it isn't and Sony should do something to allow it, in its own terms. I'm sure things are moving and the barrier will eventually come down. Maybe this gen, maybe next.
Funny how people forget the first answer Jim Ryan gave, quoting only the children part in a twisted way.
Jim Ryan to Eurogamer said:
But yeah, let's go with the meme. This is the internet and we are all funny.
Sorry I should have expanded my point but them stating gaming networks means things like steam/pc which they weren't allowing also. Now if that was the excuse why is it now is so different given "can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience" that would still apply now but doesn't.
What changed was company goals/mindset as now they have an incentive to work on enabling it.
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I hope people don't ignore this just to try to push the narrative that everyone already wants crossplay.Blue: Fortnite
Yellow: Minecraft
Red: Crossplay
It's still relatively at a flatline. There's very little pressure for Sony to care at this point considering not all crossplay searches are uproars.
People really need to figure out how to get people to care enough to make a stink about this.
Blue: Fortnite
Yellow: Minecraft
Red: Crossplay
It's still relatively at a flatline. There's very little pressure for Sony to care at this point considering not all crossplay searches are uproars.
Seems like it's less of a ball in Sony's court. More like an extremely resilient dust bunny.
You can tell it's a very hard concept for some to grasp, just because there's a 50 page thread on an enthusiast forum mostly filled with circular arguments, doesn't mean this issue is actually on anyone's radar in a mainstream sense.
Blue: Fortnite
Yellow: Minecraft
Red: Crossplay
It's still relatively at a flatline. There's very little pressure for Sony to care at this point considering not all crossplay searches are uproars.
Wow... I mean, it pretty much speaks for itself.
If people really want cross-play and they really want to pressure Sony into doing it, they really need to start thinking beyond a daily thread on a web forum.
Implementing crossplay would come at a cost. Not necessarily financial, but in development time, customer and server support, infrastructure, etc. It also exposes your playerbase to potential exploits on other platforms. For example, what happens if someone manages to hack Call of Duty on the Nintendo Switch, and now suddenly everyone on a PS4 is exposed to this cheating despite owning and using the secure console? What recourse could Sony have?
What's the point of exposing your platform to these costs and risks to system integrity when only a minute fraction of your customers are asking for it?
Given that cross-play is optional in almost every implementation so far, I'm not sure the above argument holds any weight. PS4 users could simply set their PS4 game to only play with PS4 gamers, to avoid the cheaters on the compromised platform. These kinds of options are things that Sony or any platform holder can mandate as a policy to devs who implement cross-play.
Fortnite works for Sony because Sony does not have PubG. Fortnite is the biggest game on that console. You put too much weight into the PS4, None of those companies would be dead with out Sony, a large chunk of that user base also has aXboxand/or PC. Those companies will be just fine.
I still remember when Microsoft was very adamant about not wanting cross platform play a few years back. Sony tried for a long time and I think thats how portal came to be crossplay too, may be wrong there. Sony played the same victim card, the same way MS is doing right now, difference is PS3 was catching up to 360 yearly, Xbox one isn't catching up to PS4 .