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ESA says members won’t support any plan for libraries to preserve games online
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This is what being agaisnt preservation looks like. Not going after an emulator for a current gen console being developed and ran by jackasses
The ESA represents the video games industry, not us. And it makes sense, most big publishers would be against this.
Ah, the old 'the corporations/market will take care of it themselves' argument, close cousins with 'the market will regulate itself'. Such obvious bullshit. Not that one expects better from a corporate interests group like ESA, mind.
Nobody was talking about that, this is not what the thread was about. This comes across more as jumping at the chance to bring beef from previous arguments into a thread unprompted. It's not healthy discussion, nor a healthy mindset.
https://www.engadget.com/2018-02-20-esa-dmca-online-gaming-petition.html
So nothing has changed since at least 2018?
So nothing has changed since at least 2018?
Those 'jackasses' developing emulators and such are the only reason we can be sure that we will be able to still play non pc games from this and previus decades in the future as publishers dont give a fuck about proper preservation.
Oh, fuck all the way off ESA. Endlessly annoyed by how this industry continues to both be insufferably secretive and treat nearly everything that their creatives make as disposable.
Another point in the I'm glad they have massively lost relevance (to the public) with the death of E3 column.
The arseholes probably just consider it another part of the used games market, which they (the publishers) all hate. Libraries can't preserve are stuff, people might play it without giving us money 😭
The jackasses were the Yuzu devs, who put the whole emulation scene in jeopardy with their stunts and need for notoriety.
I have a deep respect for every other emulation dev team.
They are extremely useful for the people who they are supposed to be useful for - the millionaire execs in charge of the biggest video game companies in the US.
This is the ESA doing exactly what it is supposed to do. It's an industry lobbying group, not, like, a non-profit designed to share how cool games are.
Like...what did you expect? Publishers are against being "forced" to preserve their games, so of course the ESA is going to be against it. That's its entire point.
Wild that without emulation from unofficial parties, so much of gaming would be currently lost unless you had access to old hardware
The games industry could've taken notes from the movie one, but alas.
Video games deserve much more respect, being at least equal to other forms of media.
Video games deserve much more respect, being at least equal to other forms of media.
No offense, but the movie and videogame industry are pretty much equal when it comes to this bullshittery. Only difference is the format.
These are not comparable at all. One is a static and unchangeable content. The other is a dynamic and living monster relying on hardware compatibility, operating system compatibility, drivers compatibility, an unspoken amount of proprietary backend solutions and services, and who the hell knows what else.
OP really needs some more quotes from the article. One or two paragraphs do not do justice:
So basically some organization could lay out a proposal well funded, organized and with necessary steps to preserve works of art for all time, but ESA will always just go with publisher's eternal "nope".
These chuckleheads need to go visit r/gamecollecting. I bet you easily they could find someone there willing to setup a preservation library with some of the collections I've seen.
I know thats not the end-game here but man the ESA is really a PITA. Can we lobby to make a new group?
The ESA and being useless, name a more iconic duo.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the whole industry does not give a shit about preservation and most of the public either.
It's best to consider them actually hostile and spearhead state level initiatives that will force their hands.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the whole industry does not give a shit about preservation and most of the public either.
It's best to consider them actually hostile and spearhead state level initiatives that will force their hands.
I'm sure it will be incredibly difficult to play the niche game Legend of Zelda tears of the Kingdom that was part of the reason for their downfall.
I feel like you're targeting the wrong people in your post... Phil Salvador and the VGHF are in support of creating libraries, they literally run one, he speaks from experience. You need to secure funding, and buy the space, and support the hosting, and all sorts of things that cost money and time. Especially because the ESA is so adamant about not allowing digital access, they're forcing libraries to need a physical space for things that are largely digital, and they're still not happy with that proposal.
As for the ESA, that's made up of the major game devs and publishers, you're not going to get an alternative group, the alternative group is these already existing libraries, like the Strong Museum and VGHF.
Not really? You can go to film department libraries to see rare prints of things if you apply. Like yes there's plenty of lost cinema but by and large someone studying film has far more access to historic media than someone studying games.
Honestly unless forced by law you won't see any progress from these organisations.
These companies are actively trying to deny ownership rights to their customers, undermining customer protections at every turn and delivering defective/half finished products that rely on patches to become/remain playable.
And that's for their current offerings.
I am convinced that the mere thought of someone being able to get access to any old game through a library is making them physically ill.
These companies are actively trying to deny ownership rights to their customers, undermining customer protections at every turn and delivering defective/half finished products that rely on patches to become/remain playable.
And that's for their current offerings.
I am convinced that the mere thought of someone being able to get access to any old game through a library is making them physically ill.
Entertainment Software Association
The Entertainment Software Association (ESA) is the trade association of the video game industry in the United States. It was formed in April 1994 as the Interactive Digital Software Association (IDSA)[1] and renamed on July 21, 2003. It is based in Washington, D.C.[2][3] Most of the top...
Yeah that's majority of the major publishers in the industry.