dannymate

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This thread is for providing ethical alternatives to software owned by companies with not-so-ethical practices. It's also an expression of hope, that something better can exist, that we don't have to accept monopolies and exploitation.

This thread was created because I have the knowledge. It took many years to make sense of the entire landscape, others shouldn't have to do the same. And so, I share my knowledge in the hopes that others are now able to take action. Even if, for numerous valid reasons, you can't take action yourself, you can still have something to recommend and root for!


This is a massive topic and the OT has been restricted to what I consider the essentials and care has been taken not to overload any one software category.

Hopefully this can be something of a living document as the landscape changes. Voice your opinions and experiences with software listed or not. Feel free to make software suggestions and changes to the OT!

KEY:
๐ŸŒฒ = Environmentally Friendly
๐Ÿ”ฎ = For The Future
๐Ÿ” = Privacy Conscious
๐Ÿ“ = Open Source
๐Ÿ’ฐ = Paid
๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿ’ป๏ธ = Self-Hostable
โœ… = Recommended
I use these emojis in headers as well to signify it applies to all in the list.


For mobile focused sections I will use:
โ–ถ๏ธ - Android
๐ŸŽ - iOS

Notes:
  • Alternative front-ends, for Youtube for example, aren't listed.
  • I do not know much about phones so keep that in mind.
  • I plan to do more research into the companies behind some of these options to make sure they're all above board. I'll include sources and a little write up.

Software & Services

Desktop/Laptop Operating System
- Windows & MacOS ๐Ÿ“โœ…
Linux-based OSes are the best in my opinion. They're incredibly easy to use and have made great strides in recent years to not explode and provide GUIs over terminal.

I believe that "immutable/atomic" distros are the future and I'll list my recommendations below. Before I used one of these my Linux distro at the time (Ubuntu) would fall apart after each major update (my brothers was the same).

Those on Windows may be aware of the "program files" folders. Now imagine you couldn't modify those folders and they were the same across every single installation. That's the power of an "immutable" or increasingly often "atomic" OS. You get all your apps from the Software centre and it's a nice experience. Updates happen in the background and apply on restart.

Downsides:
- Nvidia drivers can be a pain. Bazzite sorts it out for you. Open source drivers are being worked on.
- Fractional Scaling is in the works
- HDR is in the works
- VRR is in the works

Bazzite - A gaming focused option with many quality of life improvements. It has a nice "image picker" that automatically includes additional packages recommended for your system (such as Nvidia drivers). Maintained by the community, using Fedora Silverblue as a base, I recommend it over the official version because it's built to avoid the few remaining pitfalls of Linux. In the worst case switching (or "rebase") to the official version is supported.
Bluefin - Bazzite but for developers. It has a cloud-native focus.

Mobile Operating System - Android & iOS ๐Ÿ“
There are Linux distros that run on mobile. They're cool but I very much wouldn't recommend them yet. Compatibility is spotty. Give them a try if you have the inclination.
Ubuntu Touch
Plasma Mobile
postmarketOS

/e/OS - This is the only degoogled Android rom I'm listing here as it allows using your own Nextcloud instance instead of the traditional cloud services (Google Photos, Files etc). It supports a fair few of the most popular phones to varying difficulty of installation.

Email Providers - Gmail, Hotmail etc.
POSTEO ๐ŸŒฒ๐Ÿ’ฐ - I've seen them recommended a few times. Super environmentally conscious.
Proton Mail ๐Ÿ”โœ… - Security focused email with a free option for those who just need the one account.
Mailbox ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿ’ฐ๐ŸŒฒ - Uses 100% green energy and is recommended in privacy circles.
Stalwart ๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿ’ป๏ธ๐Ÿ“๐Ÿ”ฎ - Self hosted software with the goal of making it viable to run your own mail server.

Email Clients - Gmail App, Outlook
These clients can be used with any email provider. Your email provider may have their own bespoke apps you can use.
Desktop - Linux, Windows, MacOS

Thunderbird ๐Ÿ“โœ…- Thunderbird is THE open source email client. Made by Mozilla, the makers of Firefox.
Mailspring ๐Ÿ“- Pretty looking email client. It does have a paid tier for more commercial features.
Vivaldi - This browser comes with an email client built-in.

Desktop - Linux Only
Geary ๐Ÿ“- Email client with a Gnome style interface.
Kmail ๐Ÿ“- Email client with a KDE style interface.

Mobile - Android, iOS
I couldn't find any for iOS so either use Apple Mail or if you're lucky your email provider, such as Proton Mail, may have one.

Thunderbird (Currently "K-9 Mail") ๐Ÿ“โ–ถ๏ธ - Thunderbird recently took ownership of an open source app and are developing it under their umbrella.
Fairmail ๐Ÿ“๐Ÿ”โ–ถ๏ธ - Fully featured email client. Neat, intuitive user interface.

Browser - Google Chrome, Safari
The goal here is to move away from Chromium based browsers entirely but barring that just getting away from Google will suffice.
Desktop - Linux, Windows, MacOS

Firefox ๐Ÿ“ - I don't really like vanilla Firefox honestly. It's aight.
LibreWolf ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿ“ - Privacy Focused Firefox
Waterfox ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿ“ - Over the last year regained it's independence from an Ad company. Though not as privacy focused as LibreWolf, it provides lots of customisation options and is working on implementing new features.
Vivaldi โœ… - In the meantime if none of the Firefox-based alternatives do it for you I highly recommend Vivaldi. The company are solid and have their own Mastodon instance.

Mobile - Android, iOS
I relied on external recommendations for this set of browsers.

Firefox ๐Ÿ“โ–ถ๏ธ๐ŸŽ - I don't really like vanilla Firefox honestly. It's aight.
Mull ๐Ÿ“โ–ถ๏ธ - This is a privacy oriented and deblobbed web browser based on Firefox.
Cromite ๐Ÿ“โ–ถ๏ธ- Privacy focused Chromium browser with ad-blocking built in. It's technically a fork of Chromium rather than being based on it.
Vivaldi โ–ถ๏ธ๐ŸŽ - A more mainstream cross-platform option. Blocks ads and syncs between devices.
DuckDuckGo Browser ๐Ÿ“โ–ถ๏ธ๐ŸŽ - I actually only recommend this for iOS as it loses out to the other privacy centric options on Android.
Kiwi Browser ๐Ÿ“โ–ถ๏ธ - Chromium-based with support for extensions.

Search Engine - Google Search
Ultimately Google Search is bad now anyway for the most part. You're just adding on "reddit" to everything anyway.
If you're interested in where each search engine pulls it's results you can look at this map.

DuckDuckGo ๐Ÿ” - Search with a Privacy Focus
Startpage ๐Ÿ” - It piggy backs off of Google but keeps you private
Ecosia ๐ŸŒฒ - All profits go towards climate action!
SearXNG ๐Ÿ“๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿ’ป๏ธ - It's a self-hosted meta search engine. Which means it piggy backs off of other search engines.
Kagi ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿ’ฐ - Instead of harvesting your data for money they just ask for payment up front. It's a bit expensive (50% off and I'm in).

Instant Messaging - WhatsApp & iMessage ๐Ÿ”
It's so hard to switch I know but it can still be good to know the alternatives. Matrix is an ecosystem built around a protocol of the same name. It's like the Fediverse but for instant messaging.
For a more comprehensive look in privacy terms you can look at this spreadsheet.

Matrix ๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿ’ป๏ธ๐Ÿ“โœ… - Matrix is an open protocol for secure decentralised communications, for our purposes instant messaging. Either use one of many hosted servers or you can host your own Matrix server, I recommend Conduit homeserver personally as it's easy to set up. I bridge Messenger & Discord on my server.
There are quite a few different apps you can use with Matrix, listed below are some of the best:
Beeper - Based on Matrix it brings all your messaging apps into one place. They donate to the Matrix foundation.
Element ๐Ÿ“โœ… - The vanilla Matrix experience.​
Signal ๐Ÿ“ - Fight for privacy.
Simplex ๐Ÿ“ - I thought I'd mention it as it's interesting. It does away with user IDs entirely.

Note Taking/Personal Knowledge Management - Notion, Google Keep, Evernote
Obsidian โœ… - I love it. It's amazing. It's not open source though.
logseq ๐Ÿ“ - I've heard good things. Similar to Obsidian though I've never tried it.
Joplin ๐Ÿ“๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿ’ป๏ธ - Collaborative tools and E2EE device sync are its stand out features. Quite different in approach to the alternatives.

Password Management - Google Pass & Lastpass
Lastpass has had a lot of data breaches and aren't trustworthy. Own access to your own passwords.
Bitwarden โœ…๐Ÿ”๐Ÿ“ - Best password manager out there and it's free for personal use. I self-host Bitwarden with the Vaultwarden server.

Android App Store
Sideloading other app stores. These are your best options.

F-Droid ๐Ÿ“ - Exclusively for FOSS applications
Droid-ify ๐Ÿ“ - A better looking material and feature-rich frontend to F-Droid
Aurora Store ๐Ÿ“ - A privacy friendly client for accessing the Google Play Store

Period Tracking ๐Ÿ”โœ…
Privacy is synonymous with ethical in this case for obvious reasons. The options listed below are the only ones that store data locally, have no account requirements and contain no trackers.

Drip ๐Ÿ“ - This has been personally recommended to me. Open Source.
Euki - Closed sourced and it is worth noting though that Euki does link to third parties within the app. Each of which will have its own data collection policies, something to keep in mind.
I have done extensive research into period tracking apps. If you are someone who needs one, I can highly recommend Drip. Please do not use anything else than what is on this list, it is harvesting your data. If you live somewhere with strict abortion laws, your data can be used against you. Law enforcement will have no issues getting that data (especially if based in the US) if stored externally.

If you are in a position where hiding your period data is important to your wellbeing (abusive relationship, family etc.) Euki has a very valuable feature that allows you to enter a 0000 passcode that will bring up false information.

Specialised Tools ๐Ÿ“
Vector Graphics - Adobe Illustrator, Affinity Designer 2
Inkscape โœ… - A beautiful example of open source, with an amazing community and development team. Here's a video I enjoyed watching from when the last major update, 1.3, was released last year. 1.4 is around the corner.
Graphite - A new kid. Seems to work in the browser and has node based layers. "Graphite is the first and only graphic design app to offer procedural vector editing."

Graphic Design - Figma, Canva, Affinity Publisher 2
Penpot - I used this when Figma got bought out. It's very nice. 2.0 should be out soon

Photo Editor - Photoshop, Affinity Photo 2
Gimp - The classic photoshop alternative. Still servicable, still ugly. 3.0 is (18) years in the making though and is releasing in the next few months.
Krita โœ… - One of those super powerful open source tools that trancends its original purpose. It markets itself as more painter focused but secretly rivals photoshop. Apparently if you change the shortcuts to Photoshop's you can barely tell the difference.

Image Processor - Adobe Lightroom
Dartktable - Raw Photo Editing & Colour Correction.
RawTherapee - Look I don't know anything about these things but people love them.

Social Media ๐Ÿ“๐Ÿง‘โ€๐Ÿ’ป๏ธ
I'm going to be focusing on Fediverse based apps here. There are smaller centralised services that are ethical too which you are free to ask about in the comments. For everything in this section assume they're ActivityPub compatible.

The Fediverse has it's issues and as such isn't viable for everyone.

Goodreads Alternative

Bookwyrm - It's solid. I don't really hear people complain about anything so I assume it does it's job right. You can import your Goodreads data.

Twitter & Microblogging
There's tons of these and I'm sure to miss some very good ones.

Mastodon - King of the fedi space. I don't actually like it or recommend it. I don't personally find it usable and the worst part is that your posts don't migrate with you. I also don't think the non-profit behind it communicates with the wider fedi community very well.
Mastodon Glitch is worth a mention as a fork because it's very fun and shows the creativity in the Fedi space. There's a doodle function. You can literally paint random drawings directly inside.​
Misskey - Very Japanese, in fact there's a massive Japanese art community. Be careful with some of these instances like you would certain anime if you get my meaning. Firefish originally was a westernised fork of this.
Sharkey - A mastodon compatible fun little Misskey fork where you can set your profile backround. It's aligned closely with Misskey but more usable for western audiences.​
IceShrimp ๐Ÿ”ฎ - A fork of the now mostly dead project Firefish. They're doing a big rewrite of the project at the moment and I'm excited for it.
Catodon ๐Ÿ”ฎ - Another fork of Firefish but they've teamed up with IceShrimp for their base. They want to align more with Mastodon than the more wacky Firefish. If they pull it off then I'd recommend this hands down over Mastodon.
GoToSocial - Bare bones fediverse server compatible with Mastodon apps.

So all of these (except Misskey) use the same API and so are compatible with the same mobile apps and alternative browser frontends. I see Tusky for Android, Mammoth for iOS and Phanpy for Web recommended often.

If you really really can't get on with Fedi then give Bluesky a shot. I'm not a fan but it's in theory bridgeable to the Fediverse.

Reddit Alternative
The alternatives currently lack activity in niche topics. The current thinking is that closer integration between communities, instances and other federated reddit alternatives will spark new growth.

Lemmy โœ… - I use an instance everyday though I don't have an account just to see what's going on. The devs are super communist and have been accused of being Tankies.
Mbin - It's a fork of kbin with a more rapid development cycle. They're actually Twitter and Reddit in one. This is the kind of interesting stuff you can do on the Fediverse
Piefed - Another cool one, it's early on. It's putting an emphasis on healthy communication. One example is adding the ability for authors to press a "I've changed my mind" button in an effort to de-escalate situations. Inspired by this blog post. Era could do with this honestly.

These all implement the Lemmy API and are compatible with the same apps. Mobile devs that couldn't develop for Reddit anymore switched to Lemmy instead such as Boost and Sync. I'm unsure what the best ones are. List

Instagram
Pixelfed - This thing is genuinely slick. There's not many reason not to use this over Instagram. I think you can import your Instagram data across. Mobile Apps

Youtube
This is a big one. I'm going to recommend a hybrid approach until Peertube really takes off. I also suggest donating to the creators you enjoy and asking for a Peertube mirror.

Peertube - An amazing bit of technology. It's peer to peer Youtube. Peertube does everything right except for a lack of creators. They have a 2024 roadmap that I highly recommend reading. It's focus is on providing features for creators. From a viewer perspective it's not really missing anything. I'd love to be able to use it more.

Bridging Youtube and Peertube in the same app is the only route I foresee to making Peertube successful.

NewPipe [Android] - Combines a few services together in one android app: Youtube, Peertube, Bandcamp, Soundcloud and more. This is the hybrid approach I think we should take.
Grayjay [Android] - Similar to NewPipe
PeerTube Companion - A browser extension only for Firefox sadly that redirects certain Youtube videos to its Peertube version instead.

There are no iOS or Android TV apps as yet. Though the non-profit behind peertube is working to make official apps.

Discord - None of these are Fediverse
I don't think any of these are viable as alternatives to be honest but it's worth a look.
Revolt - Don't know much about it. I have spoken with the devs before but I personally feel they're reinventing the wheel. No federation is a bad choice in my book.
Spacebar - Free and open source, full stack reverse engineering and re-implementation of Discord. This is more acceptable to me as it's literally just meant to be self-hostable Discord.
Matrix - Same stuff as in the instant messaging section. It often gets mentioned but it's only a somewhat viable alternative. If you only use it for chat then the Discord bridge works really well but takes some set up. I recommend the in development Commet app if you want the Discord experience.
Commune - It's aiming to be the de-facto fediverse discord alternative. It builds on Matrix and combines with ActivityPub to get the best of both worlds. It's early in development but it's a very interesting idea.

OTHER LISTS & GUIDES
For people focused on privacy you can view this amazing guide for recommendations and knowledge.
If there's anything else you need you can't go wrong with open source: opensourcealternative.to.
Lemmy Post on Android FOSS Apps.

CHANGELOG
2024-02-20 - Init
2024-02-28 - Added Bluefin as a developer focused version of Bazzite
2024-03-01 - Grouped the Matrix clients for Instant Messaging and gave a bit more info about Matrix.
2024-03-02 - Added Mobile Browsers and Android FOSS Apps List.
2024-03-03 - Added email clients. I also made some styling changes to include desktop and mobile clients under the same header.
2024-03-20 - Added Kiwi Browser for android mobile. Added Joplin for note taking.
2024-03-25 -
Removed Floorp and Kiwi Browser, Added Waterfox
2024-03-26 - Added Specialised Tools section with Vector Graphics, Graphic Design, Image Processing and Photo Editing tools.
2024-05-10 - Re-added Kiwi Browser after further research.
 
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Ramadan ๐Ÿ“ - Last Update 2024-03-11
Ramadan Mubarak.

Here are some privacy-respecting, free and open source applications that can help you practice your faith during the holy month of Ramadan and beyond.

I borrow heavily from this great reddit post (private mirror). Most of the Android selection is from this list. I stuck within the "Faith" header for this post for now, so there's still some good apps left in there. Let me know if there's anything I should include here.

I'm not super knowledgeable on what is actually useful so suggestions and requests are welcome!

I was unable to find much for Desktop platforms or iOS.

Qur'an - Reading
Desktop - Windows/Linux (KDE)

Quran Companion - Quran reader/player with recitation download capabilities, verse highlighting, resizable Quran font, and a variety of tafsir books & translations.

Desktop - Linux (Gnome)
Eeman - The de-facto Gnome application for Salah (Prayer) timings and reading the beautiful Quran.

Mobile - Android
Noor-Ul-Huda - This Qur'anic gem comes with bookmarks for suwar and ayahs, translations, salat times, and many, many, many other features! Start your beautiful Ramadan experience with it!
QuranApp - Absolutely beautiful Qur'an app. It has translations, fonts, bookmarks, tafsirs, duas, verse of the day reminders, and much more.
Quran 16 Line - This is an app for reading and memorising the Holy Qur'an. You can even take quizzes to test your progress. All offline.

Mobile - iOS
Quran - by Quran.com - Read the Quran on the go, memorise it and listen to your favourite reciters. Only suggested for iOS as I'm not sure how trustworthy they are.

Salat/Salah - Prayer
Desktop - Windows, Linux, MacOS

Muezzin - Cross-platform prayer times and Adhan application.

Mobile - Android
Al-Azan - Adhan. Prayers. Qibla. Reminders.
Five Prayers - This is a crucial set of tools for you this Ramadan, whether you're in the masjid or at home. The app derives your location and calculates the quinary prayer times. It has a qibla compass. It has an inbuilt Qur'an. It has the Beautiful Names of Allah. It also has a mensual prayer calendar specifically for your location.
Qadaa - This app helps you compensate for missed prayers.

Sawm - Fasting
Mobile - Android

Interfast - This should assist you in properly managing your fasting sessions.

Zakat - Almsgiving
These are financial management apps that can be used to manage almsgiving. Set a percentage of your income and give to your charities of choice.

Desktop - Linux (Gnome)
Denaro - Beautiful little application for Linux.

Mobile - Android
Oinkoin
Finance Manager (PFA)
Buckwheat

Persian Calendar
Linux - Gnome Extensions

A couple of extensions that seamlessly integrate with Gnome to provide a Persian calendar in slightly different ways.
Persian Calendar
Iranian Persian Calendar

Mobile - Android
Persian Calendar - A beautiful application with a widget, qibla direction, and an Islamic calendar (amongst other calendars).

Bonus
Mobile - Android

Lane's Lexicon - It's an offline Arabic-to-English dictionary. A completely indispensable application for many, many people.
Indic Keyboard - Type in Arabic! The app lacks the internet permission!

CHANGELOG
2024-03-11 - Init

Dan's Quick Tech Tips - Last Update 2024-03-20
 
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How is logseq compared to Obsidian in terms of organisation of notes, layout, functionality, editor? I think I tried it out but can't remember what I didn't like, as well as some others, and just ended up setting Obsidian up in the end with a work account.

Wasn't logseq entirely cloud based or was that another? I need it local.
 
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How is logseq compared to Obsidian in terms of organisation of notes, layout, functionality, editor? I think I tried it out but can't remember what I didn't like, as well as some others, and just ended up setting Obsidian up in the end with a work account.

Wasn't logseq entirely cloud based or was that another? I need it local.
It's local. I've never used it myself so I've got no opinions.

Here's a good article on the differences: https://www.mksguide.com/logseq-vs-obsidian/
 

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Awesome OT, a great resource.

I have done extensive research into period tracking apps. If you are someone who needs one, I can highly recommend Drip. Please do not use anything else than what is on this list, it is harvesting your data. If you live somewhere with strict abortion laws, your data can be used against you. Law enforcement will have no issues getting that data (especially if based in the US) if stored externally.

If you are in a position where hiding your period data is important to your wellbeing (abusive relationship, family etc.) Euki has a very valuable feature that allows you to enter a 0000 passcode that will bring up false information.
 

chrominance

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How is logseq compared to Obsidian in terms of organisation of notes, layout, functionality, editor? I think I tried it out but can't remember what I didn't like, as well as some others, and just ended up setting Obsidian up in the end with a work account.

Wasn't logseq entirely cloud based or was that another? I need it local.

Logseq is... weird. From what I could tell it was very opinionated; basically the devs think stuff like folders and organization gets in the way of talking notes and makes things harder to find, so their approach is very journal-based: everything goes in a single page, and all notes are grouped by date. Later you can add tags to notes to make them easier to find but I think they recommend not doing this at the start so you don't add more structure than is strictly necessary.

I don't think the devs are necessarily wrong but it's definitely different from how I like to organize notes and I struggled to use it; I don't keep notes daily and most of my notes are on very specific topics (ex. how to dump games for an emulator) and "Emulator notes" separated by console just makes way more sense to me than "look for your notes from last September."

To its credit, logseq does say it doesn't IMPOSE a way of working, so you might be able to set up nested folders and have an elaborate organization scheme anyways. I never did because it really felt like this wasn't the way you were "supposed" to use logseq.
 

Adryuu

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It's local. I've never used it myself so I've got no opinions.

Here's a good article on the differences: https://www.mksguide.com/logseq-vs-obsidian/

Logseq is... weird. From what I could tell it was very opinionated; basically the devs think stuff like folders and organization gets in the way of talking notes and makes things harder to find, so their approach is very journal-based: everything goes in a single page, and all notes are grouped by date. Later you can add tags to notes to make them easier to find but I think they recommend not doing this at the start so you don't add more structure than is strictly necessary.

I don't think the devs are necessarily wrong but it's definitely different from how I like to organize notes and I struggled to use it; I don't keep notes daily and most of my notes are on very specific topics (ex. how to dump games for an emulator) and "Emulator notes" separated by console just makes way more sense to me than "look for your notes from last September."

To its credit, logseq does say it doesn't IMPOSE a way of working, so you might be able to set up nested folders and have an elaborate organization scheme anyways. I never did because it really felt like this wasn't the way you were "supposed" to use logseq.

Yep, read the article and tried it a bit for myself (for the second time) and I don't like how it structures the notes, or the look either (although this aspect has got better since last time).

I use Obsidian mostly for work purposes and not only using folders but tags and links that you can see without having to open the page, or links to a section inside another note, that just fits more with how I work too.
 

chrominance

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Yep, read the article and tried it a bit for myself (for the second time) and I don't like how it structures the notes, or the look either (although this aspect has got better since last time).

I use Obsidian mostly for work purposes and not only using folders but tags and links that you can see without having to open the page, or links to a section inside another note, that just fits more with how I work too.

I should really try Obsidian again, can't remember why I stopped using it.

I've been trying to move off Notion ever since my trip to Japan last year; limited connectivity at times meant I lost access to all of my vacation planning notes, which kind of sucked, and it was frustrating not having a local copy to reference.
 
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I should really try Obsidian again, can't remember why I stopped using it.

I've been trying to move off Notion ever since my trip to Japan last year; limited connectivity at times meant I lost access to all of my vacation planning notes, which kind of sucked, and it was frustrating not having a local copy to reference.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was that Obsidian was just overwhelming. The sheer size of the ecosystem with community plugins put me off (I did use it still). Though I've since learnt all about it in the last month so feel free to ask me any questions. I'm planning on writing a couple notes on my research at some point.

I managed to convince my brother to switch to it for his writing work. He uses the Pandoc, WYSIWYG and LanguageTool community plugins. It allowed him to move away from Microsoft Office and was much nicer to use on Linux.

I know there's plugins that make Obsidian work somewhat like Notion if you're really tied to that way of working.
 

chrominance

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I wouldn't be surprised if it was that Obsidian was just overwhelming. The sheer size of the ecosystem with community plugins put me off (I did use it still). Though I've since learnt all about it in the last month so feel free to ask me any questions. I'm planning on writing a couple notes on my research at some point.

I managed to convince my brother to switch to it for his writing work. He uses the Pandoc, WYSIWYG and LanguageTool community plugins. It allowed him to move away from Microsoft Office and was much nicer to use on Linux.

I know there's plugins that make Obsidian work somewhat like Notion if you're really tied to that way of working.

I like to think I'm somewhat flexible. The last documentation I did was literal public API documentation in Mkdocs, so I don't even mind writing stuff out as raw Markdown as long as there's a somewhat convenient front-end for reading it all.
 
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I like to think I'm somewhat flexible. The last documentation I did was literal public API documentation in Mkdocs, so I don't even mind writing stuff out as raw Markdown as long as there's a somewhat convenient front-end for reading it all.
I wrote the OT in Obsidian using Markdown. The only convenience plugin I have is one that allows me to paste links directly into highlighted text.

On a sidenote era doesn't understand markdown when you paste it so you have to manually edit everything in the Resetera editor. Absolute Pain.
 
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This website shows the relationship between browsers: https://www.searchenginemap.com.
I don't know how up-to-date or complete it is (it's made by one of the alternative web crawlers, Mojeek), but it can give you an idea of which search website use Google in their results.
The yellow nodes are "crawlers", the green ones are labeled "meta" (they use the data provided by crawlers to show results) and orange ones are hybrid.

Personally I'm really intrigued by Kagi (although it uses both Mojeek and Google for its results...), but it's still too expensive. I'll definitely subscribe once/if they can lower the price to 5$ (it's still 10$ for unlimited searches... currently with 5$ you only get 300 searches, which is ridiculously too little. I probably do 10x/month).
Their features are rather unique... I really love their idea of collating listicles, being able to block or boost certain domains for future searches, their concept of "lenses" (which let's you restrict your searches to cetaines categories of websites and you can even define your own... one of the examples they give is having a "Hacker News / Reddit" lens to restrict searches on those two websites).

Boosting:
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Aggregating listicles in their own section
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Fastmail for the email section? Been happy with their service and afaik they are ethical?
 
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This website shows the relationship between browsers: https://www.searchenginemap.com.
I don't know how up-to-date or complete it is (it's made by one of the alternative web crawlers, Mojeek), but it can give you an idea of which search website use Google in their results.
The yellow nodes are "crawlers", the green ones are labeled "meta" (they use the data provided by crawlers to show results) and orange ones are hybrid.

Personally I'm really intrigued by Kagi (although it uses both Mojeek and Google for its results...), but it's still too expensive. I'll definitely subscribe once/if they can lower the price to 5$ (it's still 10$ for unlimited searches... currently with 5$ you only get 300 searches, which is ridiculously too little. I probably do 10x/month).
Yeah Kagi is a good shout. I'll add it. They did a blog post last month announcing they hit 20,000 members.

I'm also going to add the map for reference so people can see where each engine gets its searches from.

Fastmail for the email section? Been happy with their service and afaik they are ethical?
I'm not sure it does anything Proton Mail doesn't already. I do see it recommended but I'm not sure why you would pick it over everything else. Unless you know of a particular reason?

The OT isn't meant to be exhaustive I mostly want to keep the broad strokes and then have peeps with experiences like you fill in any gaps for people reading through :).
 
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Yeah Kagi is a good shout. I'll add it. They did a blog post last month announcing they hit 20,000 members.

I'm also going to add the map for reference so people can see where each engine gets its searches from.
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Even though I've been eyeing Kagi for many months now, I decided to start the trial after writing my previous post. Well, the results are REALLY good. I found my answers without having to append "reddit" to any of my searches and it usually was the first result shown. With that said, I used up 9 searches in like 2 minutes...

Eh, I don't know. 10$ is really a bit too rich for my blood. If my GF is interested I think I could spring for a 14$ duo plan.
 
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Even though I've been eyeing Kagi for many months now, I decided to start the trial after writing my previous post. Well, the results are REALLY good. I found my answers without having to append "reddit" to any of my searches and it usually was the first result shown. With that said, I used up 9 searches in like 2 minutes...

Eh, I don't know. 10$ is really a bit too rich for my blood. If my GF is interested I think I could spring for a 14$ duo plan.
I self-host SearXNG and I would switch to the family plan of Kagi if it was around ยฃ60-80 a year. ยฃ170 a year (with 10% off yearly) is just unaffordable for me. I don't doubt the value proposition it's just hard to justify.

I would honestly cancel my prime for this.
 

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I'll +1 Fastmail as my current email provider of choice, though I can't answer if it does anything significantly better than Protonmail personally. (The funny part is I'm on Proton now for VPN, but eh, migrating email is a pain)

Regarding password managers, I don't know if this would make the OP because it's not intended to be comprehensive and again, can't really answer the "does it do anything better than X" question, but I use Keepass for this personally. I've thought about whether I want to switch to Bitwarden, especially in light of some concerns around the Keepass client leaking info (tl;dr you can use scripting to basically dump the contents of the password database, but this is apparently considered not a problem because it requires someone to turn on scripting and insert a malicious script themselves I think?) but it's served me quite well over the years.
 
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I'll +1 Fastmail as my current email provider of choice, though I can't answer if it does anything significantly better than Protonmail personally. (The funny part is I'm on Proton now for VPN, but eh, migrating email is a pain)

Regarding password managers, I don't know if this would make the OP because it's not intended to be comprehensive and again, can't really answer the "does it do anything better than X" question, but I use Keepass for this personally. I've thought about whether I want to switch to Bitwarden, especially in light of some concerns around the Keepass client leaking info (tl;dr you can use scripting to basically dump the contents of the password database, but this is apparently considered not a problem because it requires someone to turn on scripting and insert a malicious script themselves I think?) but it's served me quite well over the years.
I have heard of Keypass and would probably include it just to provide another option, I just don't know much about it. I've only ever used Bitwarden and it doesn't seem as simple. There's multiple different apps and weird syncing functionality so it requires more than just a cursory understanding.

The other option I'm aware of, though this is a proprietary paid option, is 1password. I'd have to research their company first if I'm going to put it on the list.
 

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I have heard of Keypass and would probably include it just to provide another option, I just don't know much about it. I've only ever used Bitwarden and it doesn't seem as simple. There's multiple different apps and weird syncing functionality so it requires more than just a cursory understanding.

The other option I'm aware of, though this is a proprietary paid option, is 1password. I'd have to research their company first if I'm going to put it on the list.

Yeah, your sense of Keepass is right. It's quite a bit older than Bitwarden and doesn't have a real business model of its own; it's much more of an old-school open-source vibe as a result. I'm not as familiar with Bitwarden but I feel like I'd probably direct people there even if they wanted to do a self-hosted thing, unless they didn't want to run their own Bitwarden server or any server at all, in which case Keepass is probably better unless there's a way to just use a file as a password vault in Bitwarden.
 
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Yeah, your sense of Keepass is right. It's quite a bit older than Bitwarden and doesn't have a real business model of its own; it's much more of an old-school open-source vibe as a result. I'm not as familiar with Bitwarden but I feel like I'd probably direct people there even if they wanted to do a self-hosted thing, unless they didn't want to run their own Bitwarden server or any server at all, in which case Keepass is probably better unless there's a way to just use a file as a password vault in Bitwarden.
Bitwarden do offer a free option hosted option for personal use, but if you're talking privacy then you may be right. However using third-party syncing services with Keypass may not be desirable for security reasons. I'll do some research when I feel like it.
 

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Does anyone have a good recommendation for a task tracking or TODO app?
 
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Does anyone have a good recommendation for a task tracking or TODO app?
There's a lot of different task tracking apps. Some apps even do task tracking on the side (for example Obsidian/Logseq in the Note Taking section).

Do you have any particular requirements or have examples of other apps you've used and liked?
Also is this for PC or Android/iOS?
Do you want it to be able to sync between devices?
 

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There's a lot of different task tracking apps. Some apps even do task tracking on the side (for example Obsidian/Logseq in the Note Taking section).

Do you have any particular requirements or have examples of other apps you've used and liked?
Also is this for PC or Android/iOS?
Do you want it to be able to sync between devices?
I've bounced between a few apps and never found one that I really love. I currently use Apple Reminders and wish it was more feature rich. However, I've tried some of the more advanced ones and get lost in the weeds. I use Jira at work and it handles a lot of use cases well, but also we have a full project manager handling a lot of the difficult stuff.

I just looked at obsidian and I don't see a way to use it for a todo list, but I could be missing something.

I would ideally like for it to sync between Fedora and iOS, but having it just on Fedora is fine.
 
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I've bounced between a few apps and never found one that I really love. I currently use Apple Reminders and wish it was more feature rich. However, I've tried some of the more advanced ones and get lost in the weeds. I use Jira at work and it handles a lot of use cases well, but also we have a full project manager handling a lot of the difficult stuff.

I just looked at obsidian and I don't see a way to use it for a todo list, but I could be missing something.

I would ideally like for it to sync between Fedora and iOS, but having it just on Fedora is fine.
Starting with Obsidian. It uses markdown if you wanted a simple checklist you can easily just do that. However, Obsidian is one of the most powerful bits of software I have come across. Community made plugins expand Obsidian beyond human imagination... Anyway this Tasks plugin is what you're looking for with Obsidian, but I would only suggest this route if you're comfortable using markdown or if you're ready to go down a rabbit hole. -- I'm a note taker and I use Obsidian for basically anything text related at this point :p.

Though I haven't personally used Logseq it could also be a solid option if you don't get on with Obsidian. It has a guide to task management you can look at. (There's also a page for sync that shows you how you could maybe sync to iOS).

Both Obsidian and Logseq allow you to sync to iOS through iCloud with a bit of configuration.

I would personally take this route.

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Alternatively, going the dedicated todo app route. For Linux there's Planify which looks very pretty. Planify recently added Nextcloud (and maybe CalDav) support which if you are using Nextcloud or have a CalDav server will allow you to sync to a few different apps such as tasks.org for android, but I realise you're not on Android and I know absolutely nil about the apple ecosystem.
 

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Just wanted to post and update that this thread has been incredible. I really appreciate this so much and can't state enough how helpful it has been. I've been on the edge of migrating my tech life to open source / ethical software for a while and this finally has given me the shove to do so. In the last few weeks I've done the following migrations, mostly inspired by this thread:

Gaming Computer: PS5/PC dual booting Windows and Pop! OS=> Bazzite PC.
- Bazzite finally felt like a distro that I could call home. It takes away a lot of the fiddliness that having an Intel Processor and a 3090ti on Linux was causing for me, even on Pop. I think next PC build I'll go full red team because the Nvidia AI shit isn't interesting enough to me to outweigh having better driver support on linux. PS5 has been gathering dust since. I've hated re-buying games generation to generation and Helldivers 2 runs better on Linux than Windows or PS5. Wild.

Browser: Safari => Floorp
- Tried Vivaldi and I just don't want to use a chromium based browser if I can help it. It was nice though from my time in it. Floorp is great outside the really odd name and logo, but I guess I can get over that.

Notes/Todo: Apple Notes/Reminders => Obsidian
- Tried Logseq because it is open source but I was unimpressed at the security versus Obsidian immediately off the bat. I appreciate that Obsidian can sync securely if I pay them a few bucks a month. I also don't understand why Logseq is so dead set on not having folders to organize notes. Maybe it will be more useful to folks that didn't grow up with a PC using a file system, but my brain just works in directories to sort things. Thanks again to dannymate for showing me the todo plugin. Now I'm trying not to completely lose myself installing plugins and over configuring the software right off the bat.

Search Engine: Google => Kagi
- Just WOW, I've been stuck on Google through my entire career and I have tried every single attempt that a company has come out with to compete with Google. Maybe it is just how enshittified Google has gotten over the last year, but this is the first search engine I have found that feels BETTER than Google right out of the box. The front page is clean, Ad-free and actually contains the information I am looking for. 10/10 and worth every penny that they charge.

Social Media: Reddit => Lemmy
- I've been meaning to leave Reddit since the API was shut down. This finally gave me the push to try Lemmy and dear lord is it nice to see interesting conversations again on a Reddit-like platform. The amount of leftist, Linux and FOSS conversations is really inspiring. I also enjoy being in a smaller community space again. It is absolutely not as active as Reddit, but that isn't always a bad thing

Things I already used before this post:
BitWarden: Great password managing app. Can't recommend it enough.
ProtonMail: Great email client and VPN service.
SteamOS/Steam Deck: I highly recommend this device for anyone looking to migrate from Nintendo Switch or just trying out Linux gaming in general. This device is a gateway drug into the Linux ecosystem and really demonstrates how far we have come in the last few years with Proton.

Things I would like to learn more about:
HomeLab Setups:
I currently have a NAS / Ubuntu Server for media storage, but I would be curious what you all think about different HomeLab software. I am especially interested in alternatives to Smart Devices like Hue Lights, HomePod speakers, Siri. I've heard some people using open source alternatives but I am not familiar with that can of worms.
I've also heard the software NextCloud thrown around, but I am not super familiar with that.
De-Googled Android: I've heard about people using GrapheneOS. How do you all feel that it compares to iOS in terms of privacy, usability, etc? I don't care about banking apps or anything like that. I don't use my iPhone for that anyways since I consider any device that isn't hard wired to my home network to be on a PvP server. That goes double for carrier cell networks.
Office Apps: I currently use Apple Numbers to do spreadsheeting. I've seen some FOSS alternatives like OpenOffice, etc but I am not sure where to start with recommended software. As I currently use Numbers and not Excel having the most advanced features is less important to me than having software that feels good to use.

Things that I still want to get off of but feel stuck on:
iMessage: Friends and family all use iPhone and use iMessage. I hate using it, I hate the false security with the App and the on-device black box text message scanning. I really wish the EU forced RCS integration.
HomeKit: I use Hue Lights at home and Lever locks. HomeKit is a constant pain in the ass and I feel like every other week I am fixing some device that it has kicked off the network.
iOS: Again, tired of Apple, but Android feels like a general downgrade across the board when it comes to privacy (Not that Apple Is much better).
eReader/Digital Notetaking: I used to use an iPad for this, but moved away from that a while ago. I don't like having a super over-engineered device as I have found that I'll open it to read and then realize an hour later I am on Resetera instead. I've looked at the Boox devices as I like that they are black and white e-ink displays and include a pen for note-taking. However, they run Android so I am worried about that whole can of worms. Syncing
Apple Photos: I would love an alternative to this as a photo cataloguing software. I don't need cloud sync/backup. Just something secure/open source that I can use to browse my library, dump photos from my camera to and organize the photos.

Anyways, sorry for the long post but wanted to give my impressions and experiences to anyone else who might be reading through this thread and thinking about taking the leap.
 
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I could write a lot for some of these but I'll try to keep it as short as possible.

Gaming Computer: PS5/PC dual booting Windows and Pop! OS=> Bazzite PC.
- Bazzite finally felt like a distro that I could call home. It takes away a lot of the fiddliness that having an Intel Processor and a 3090ti on Linux was causing for me, even on Pop. I think next PC build I'll go full red team because the Nvidia AI shit isn't interesting enough to me to outweigh having better driver support on linux. PS5 has been gathering dust since. I've hated re-buying games generation to generation and Helldivers 2 runs better on Linux than Windows or PS5. Wild.
I'm glad to hear it. It just works. They also do the Bluefin (which I should add to the OT) developer distro with a cloud-native skew if that means anything to you. The devs are doing some very interesting stuff in this space.

People in the Linux space do reccommend going with an AMD GPU because of the Nvidia driver issues. However, we're all very excited about the new open source Nvidia drivers Collabora are working on called NVK which has progressed in leaps and bounds. In it's early state it's already performed better in certain situations than the proprietary drivers. It's something to keep an eye on.

Browser: Safari => Floorp
- Tried Vivaldi and I just don't want to use a chromium based browser if I can help it. It was nice though from my time in it. Floorp is great outside the really odd name and logo, but I guess I can get over that.
I use Vivaldi still but I use Floorp for certain bits and bobs. My one issue is that it can be a little buggy. I'm waiting for it to improve a bit more before jumping over.

Notes/Todo: Apple Notes/Reminders => Obsidian
- Tried Logseq because it is open source but I was unimpressed at the security versus Obsidian immediately off the bat. I appreciate that Obsidian can sync securely if I pay them a few bucks a month. I also don't understand why Logseq is so dead set on not having folders to organize notes. Maybe it will be more useful to folks that didn't grow up with a PC using a file system, but my brain just works in directories to sort things. Thanks again to dannymate for showing me the todo plugin. Now I'm trying not to completely lose myself installing plugins and over configuring the software right off the bat.
You're welcome! :). I recommend just getting it to a working state and then when you're bored do some learning. The 2023 Gems of the Year results is waht kicked me into learning more about Obsidian.

eReader/Digital Notetaking: I used to use an iPad for this, but moved away from that a while ago. I don't like having a super over-engineered device as I have found that I'll open it to read and then realize an hour later I am on Resetera instead. I've looked at the Boox devices as I like that they are black and white e-ink displays and include a pen for note-taking. However, they run Android so I am worried about that whole can of worms. Syncing
What's the syncing bit in relation to?

I LOVE MY EREADER & I LOVE E-INK. Now I have a specific workflow but if you have access to the books and you like to read then it's the best way to do it. I still get the odd book for things I really like.

I have some experience with Boox, specifically the "Boox Note Air3 C", I use a Kobo Forma. They're both great for Manga. The Boox is way better of course, as you would hope with the extra cost. (Feel free to ask me for more information on a specific device)

Kobo's tend to be very hackable. Load custom firmware and such. The default OS is based on Linux as most of these eReaders are but honestly I find it very limiting (Kobo being the best of the bunch). There's some really good apps for Android that I wish I could use. I'm very specific about how I do things and I like to hook everything up to my HomeLab/Home Server. My advice if you get an android ereader is to not do the things you don't want to do on it. :p

HomeLab Setups: I currently have a NAS / Ubuntu Server for media storage, but I would be curious what you all think about different HomeLab software. I am especially interested in alternatives to Smart Devices like Hue Lights, HomePod speakers, Siri. I've heard some people using open source alternatives but I am not familiar with that can of worms.
HomeKit: I use Hue Lights at home and Lever locks. HomeKit is a constant pain in the ass and I feel like every other week I am fixing some device that it has kicked off the network.
I've bunched these together because they're related. I am an ardent self-hoster. I have my own server, I run Unraid and I've got a lot of different things installed. I couldn't live without it, it was a great way to learn about computers and software when I was younger as well.

For a HomeLab specfically I would only recommend Home Assistant, only try the alternatives if you know what you're doing. It's incredibly powerful and also simple. You can still use your HomeKit stuff with Home Assistant but in the future get things that aren't homekit. My brother has a lot of stuff connected to his and it's just a workhorse (the word holds a lot of weight to us).

I've also heard the software NextCloud thrown around, but I am not super familiar with that.
Apple Photos: I would love an alternative to this as a photo cataloguing software. I don't need cloud sync/backup. Just something secure/open source that I can use to browse my library, dump photos from my camera to and organize the photos.
The best way to think about Nextcloud is as a self-hosted alternative to Google Cloud or iCloud. Now I don't use Nextcloud myself because I prefer to use bespoke self-hosted services for each part of the Nextcloud suite.

One thing you can do with it though is use it as a photo storage much as you can with Google Cloud or iCloud. Now I don't own a phone so I can't say much more than that but I specfically list /e/OS as a de-googled Android rom in the OT as it integrates well with Nextcloud. Other self-hosted software I'm aware specifcally for photo backups are Immich (<- Often recommended) and PhotoPrism.

Office Apps: I currently use Apple Numbers to do spreadsheeting. I've seen some FOSS alternatives like OpenOffice, etc but I am not sure where to start with recommended software. As I currently use Numbers and not Excel having the most advanced features is less important to me than having software that feels good to use.
Another important thing about Nextcloud is again like Google Cloud or iCloud you can do your normal office stuff like spreadsheets or docs. I mean you could also use Obsidian for Spreadsheets if you wanted (i.e. Dataloom (more database-like)). In terms of desktop apps you got LibreOffice and OnlyOffice.

De-Googled Android: I've heard about people using GrapheneOS. How do you all feel that it compares to iOS in terms of privacy, usability, etc? I don't care about banking apps or anything like that. I don't use my iPhone for that anyways since I consider any device that isn't hard wired to my home network to be on a PvP server. That goes double for carrier cell networks.
iOS: Again, tired of Apple, but Android feels like a general downgrade across the board when it comes to privacy (Not that Apple Is much better).
I honestly don't know much about phones. Hopefully somebody else can pick this up and help out.

iMessage: Friends and family all use iPhone and use iMessage. I hate using it, I hate the false security with the App and the on-device black box text message scanning. I really wish the EU forced RCS integration.
Check out Beeper & the new Beeper Mini (which might be exactly what you need) it's based on Matrix and handles the bridging for you for all the different chat apps. If you ran your own server both Whatsapp and iMessage is a bit of a pain to set up.

Feel free to inquire further on anything in particular. I could write whole OTs on some of these topics so I tried to limit it as much as possible.
 
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Thank you for this post and this thread. Your custom firmware link quoted here is borked, though, and I'm very interested in reading up on it.
I've edited it but here it is again: https://inkbox.ddns.net. Just a note though, you can hack the original firmware with custom functionality as well you don't have to go full custom firmware. All the hack lists are out of date, as far as I can tell, but check out NickelMenu (And the Other Stuff section).
 

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Just found this list and it's really helpful as someone who'd like to ease themselves away from the ecosystems of companies like google, etc., so thank you so much! I'll definitely have to do some more research on some of the things I don't quite understand such as the fediverse stuff and some of the bits about servers, plus I'm also working out the best way to switch over operating systems from Windows without too much pain.
 
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Just found this list and it's really helpful as someone who'd like to ease themselves away from the ecosystems of companies like google, etc., so thank you so much! I'll definitely have to do some more research on some of the things I don't quite understand such as the fediverse stuff and some of the bits about servers, plus I'm also working out the best way to switch over operating systems from Windows without too much pain.
So the "best" way if you have the space is to pick up a cheap-ish SSD. install it alongside your Windows install. Install Bazzite (or Bluefin if Dev) on your new drive and it'll pick up your Windows install allowing you to dual-boot until you get used to the Linux way of things.

Can you explain a bit further on what you're not understanding? It may allow me to write better descriptions.
 

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So the "best" way if you have the space is to pick up a cheap-ish SSD. install it alongside your Windows install. Install Bazzite (or Bluefin if Dev) on your new drive and it'll pick up your Windows install allowing you to dual-boot until you get used to the Linux way of things.

Can you explain a bit further on what you're not understanding? It may allow me to write better descriptions.
Oh I think it's mostly me being not super tech-literate when it comes to a lot of this stuff, most of my computer knowledge comes from building PC stuff and I had my friends to lend a hand with that. The fediverse is a totally new concept to me I'd never come across before clicking in this thread but it sounds really interesting as someone who doesn't really like the existing social media giants, just been reading an article on The Verge about it and I'm definitely interested in learning more.
 
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Oh I think it's mostly me being not super tech-literate when it comes to a lot of this stuff, most of my computer knowledge comes from building PC stuff and I had my friends to lend a hand with that. The fediverse is a totally new concept to me I'd never come across before clicking in this thread but it sounds really interesting as someone who doesn't really like the existing social media giants, just been reading an article on The Verge about it and I'm definitely interested in learning more.
Ah yeah then what I said was probably just gibberish :p.

The Fediverse functions in the same way the internet does or like email. The two bits that confuse people are the nomenclature and the exact implementation (or lack thereof) of certain features. There's a couple things that really confused me at first: backfill & having all these different places but only being able to log in on the one place.

People are used to the Twitter way, a centralised platform makes things simple. When they move somewhere else they expect something like moving house, you're a bit confused but you soon learn where all the rooms are and if it's missing a bath or something.

When moving from one of these platforms to a the Fediverse way it's like moving to a camper van/motorhome. You're confused. What do you mean I've got to dispose of my own waste? And with how rapidly the Fediverse is developing a year ago you may have had to dig a hole yourself and chuck it all in there. Now we got dedicated holes you can connect tubes up to to flush it all down. However, people aren't happy with the smell so we got to add some kind of perfume, but we have people with asthma so we have to keep try something else etc. etc.
 

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Absolutely a thread for me. We need to decentralise and counter the enshittification cycle of internet services.
 

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Gradually starting to switch to a bunch of these listed bit by bit. Begun using Proton Mail and transferring a bunch of accounts over to that e-mail, set up floorp on my PC (though I'm still hunting for the best mobile browser, still using Firefox for the time being) and have started using Bitwarden to keep track of my passwords and make unique, complex ones for every site I use. Also getting to grips with Lemmy slowly but surely, lots of interesting leftist communities to check out on a variety of topics and I've already learned a lot.

At the moment I'm trying to clear as much of my data and ad tracking on Google as possible, and attempting to 'de-google' my phone as much as I can (though easier said than done when I'm using a Pixel).

Just wanted to ask if anyone had used the 'Relay' feature on Firefox to mask one's e-mail? It's done by Mozilla themselves by the looks of it so I'm wary of relying on it too much, but thought it was worth checking out if anyone had any experience with it at all.
 
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Gradually starting to switch to a bunch of these listed bit by bit. Begun using Proton Mail and transferring a bunch of accounts over to that e-mail, set up floorp on my PC (though I'm still hunting for the best mobile browser, still using Firefox for the time being) and have started using Bitwarden to keep track of my passwords and make unique, complex ones for every site I use. Also getting to grips with Lemmy slowly but surely, lots of interesting leftist communities to check out on a variety of topics and I've already learned a lot.

At the moment I'm trying to clear as much of my data and ad tracking on Google as possible, and attempting to 'de-google' my phone as much as I can (though easier said than done when I'm using a Pixel).

Just wanted to ask if anyone had used the 'Relay' feature on Firefox to mask one's e-mail? It's done by Mozilla themselves by the looks of it so I'm wary of relying on it too much, but thought it was worth checking out if anyone had any experience with it at all.
Again I can't talk much about mobile but if you're unaware you can install (edit: desktop) browser extensions on mobile firefox now. I see Mull (Android Firefox with Privacy Additions) recommended in privacy circles (as well as Brave but the CEO is a well known homophobe (which I wouldn't consider ethical)). Also, not that you're talking about this but, Pixel phones are surprisingly one of the best android phones to install custom roms on, so it's technically easier to de-google a Pixel phone than most other Android phones.

Firefox Relay is something called an "Email Aliasing" service. There's a couple others I'm aware of: addy.io & Simplelogin. All three of these services are open source as well. DuckDuckGo also have something similar. All these services can be hooked up into Bitwarden as well for username generation (yes you can also generate usernames).

I've used addy.io and simplelogin and they're both solid. I don't think you can really go wrong with any of them. You'd have to do more research though.

And in Bitwarden news they're going native with their mobile apps. Should be nice.

Edit: There's also Cromite for mobile chromium. I found this amazing thread on Lemmy. I'm going to add Mull and Cromite to the OT.
 
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De-Googled Android: I've heard about people using GrapheneOS. How do you all feel that it compares to iOS in terms of privacy, usability, etc? I don't care about banking apps or anything like that. I don't use my iPhone for that anyways since I consider any device that isn't hard wired to my home network to be on a PvP server. That goes double for carrier cell networks.
Just remembered Privacy Guides has a section for this.
 

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I use mobile edge for the rewards stuff but mainly use mobile chrome, and I debate having passwords stored in both. I understand that's not ideal, and neither would be any of those companies having my passwords anyway. But that would seem the most convenient solution for me as it's portable between pc, phone, etc and easy when I switch devices.

With that in mind, plus me not wanting to self host anything (because I don't have any site or server), what would you recommend choosing as a password vault solution? Mainly it needs to be available both as a Windows app (or browser extension, if that's to be considered secure at all) and Android app (that can be accessed by any browser). That way I would probably switch at least out of Chrome in my phone, too. But my main concern for now is password security and general account maintenance which I plan on doing (erasing some unused accounts over the internet, cleaning possible similar passwords, making secure and unique passes for everywhere, and storing them securely).

This is all somewhat new to me but recently one acquaintance has had a data breach and a ransom threat (even if it ends up fake in the end) showing old passwords but you get what I mean. Better to clean up house when you see it near.

Oh also I'm used to MS authenticator for work reasons and use it for some personal accounts so if any solution involves that, I can live with it. Alternatives to that can be looked into too, even if I'll still have to use that one for work.
 
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I use mobile edge for the rewards stuff but mainly use mobile chrome, and I debate having passwords stored in both. I understand that's not ideal, and neither would be any of those companies having my passwords anyway. But that would seem the most convenient solution for me as it's portable between pc, phone, etc and easy when I switch devices.

With that in mind, plus me not wanting to self host anything (because I don't have any site or server), what would you recommend choosing as a password vault solution? Mainly it needs to be available both as a Windows app (or browser extension, if that's to be considered secure at all) and Android app (that can be accessed by any browser). That way I would probably switch at least out of Chrome in my phone, too. But my main concern for now is password security and general account maintenance which I plan on doing (erasing some unused accounts over the internet, cleaning possible similar passwords, making secure and unique passes for everywhere, and storing them securely).

This is all somewhat new to me but recently one acquaintance has had a data breach and a ransom threat (even if it ends up fake in the end) showing old passwords but you get what I mean. Better to clean up house when you see it near.

Oh also I'm used to MS authenticator for work reasons and use it for some personal accounts so if any solution involves that, I can live with it. Alternatives to that can be looked into too, even if I'll still have to use that one for work.
The Password Management section in the OT only mentions Bitwarden (it has a free personal tier) because that's the one I use and it does everything you could need for a personal manager. It does sync across devices (PC & Phone). It also has built in 2FA, it uses the TOTP standard so it should be frictionless moving from MS Authenticator (no promises I haven't used MS Authenticator before). You can also generate passwords (and usernames) based on specific criteria (special char, numbers etc.). For Companies/teams, not that you asked (edit: or have a choice), Psono might be interesting.

Edit: I should also point you to the Privacy Guides section on password managers for more information.

I haven't heard of this rewards program before from edge. Why do you use it?

Again I know you didn't ask about mobile browsers but I have added a Mobile Browsers section to the OT as well with alternative browsers. If you need something based on Chrome I recommend Vivaldi as it also syncs across PC & Mobile. It's considered one of the more privacy conscious chrome-based browsers. Besides it's actually just better.
 

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I have added a section in the OT for mobile browsers. Let me know what you go with in the end :)
Started using Mull for the convenience of being able to keep my tabs synced with Floorp since I'm a sucker for Firefox browsers. I'll try it out for a couple days and see how it goes, but it all seems fine and dandy so far, no problems at all!
 

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Just wanted to ask if anyone had used the 'Relay' feature on Firefox to mask one's e-mail? It's done by Mozilla themselves by the looks of it so I'm wary of relying on it too much, but thought it was worth checking out if anyone had any experience with it at all.

I do this through Fastmail (which is where all my email resides), and actually I thought Firefox had some kind of deal with Fastmail to do this as well, but I might've mixed this up with a Firefox BROWSER feature or misremembered or something, because I can't find any indication that Fastmail is involved in Relay.

Given that independent masking providers apparently exist now (I didn't even know that was a thing until this thread) I wouldn't say people should sign up for Fastmail just for masked emails, but it is pretty convenient to use if you're already on the service.
 

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Gradually starting to switch to a bunch of these listed bit by bit. Begun using Proton Mail and transferring a bunch of accounts over to that e-mail, set up floorp on my PC (though I'm still hunting for the best mobile browser, still using Firefox for the time being) and have started using Bitwarden to keep track of my passwords and make unique, complex ones for every site I use. Also getting to grips with Lemmy slowly but surely, lots of interesting leftist communities to check out on a variety of topics and I've already learned a lot.

At the moment I'm trying to clear as much of my data and ad tracking on Google as possible, and attempting to 'de-google' my phone as much as I can (though easier said than done when I'm using a Pixel).

Just wanted to ask if anyone had used the 'Relay' feature on Firefox to mask one's e-mail? It's done by Mozilla themselves by the looks of it so I'm wary of relying on it too much, but thought it was worth checking out if anyone had any experience with it at all.
Check out GrapheneOS, that only works on Pixels.
 

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Check out GrapheneOS, that only works on Pixels.
I'll take a look, thanks!
I do this through Fastmail (which is where all my email resides), and actually I thought Firefox had some kind of deal with Fastmail to do this as well, but I might've mixed this up with a Firefox BROWSER feature or misremembered or something, because I can't find any indication that Fastmail is involved in Relay.

Given that independent masking providers apparently exist now (I didn't even know that was a thing until this thread) I wouldn't say people should sign up for Fastmail just for masked emails, but it is pretty convenient to use if you're already on the service.
I'm trying out SimpleLogin for now since I'm using Proton Mail and it looks as though they work rather well together. But I'll keep my eye on some of the others as well.
 

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The Password Management section in the OT only mentions Bitwarden (it has a free personal tier) because that's the one I use and it does everything you could need for a personal manager. It does sync across devices (PC & Phone). It also has built in 2FA, it uses the TOTP standard so it should be frictionless moving from MS Authenticator (no promises I haven't used MS Authenticator before). You can also generate passwords (and usernames) based on specific criteria (special char, numbers etc.). For Companies/teams, not that you asked (edit: or have a choice), Psono might be interesting.

Edit: I should also point you to the Privacy Guides section on password managers for more information.

I haven't heard of this rewards program before from edge. Why do you use it?

Again I know you didn't ask about mobile browsers but I have added a Mobile Browsers section to the OT as well with alternative browsers. If you need something based on Chrome I recommend Vivaldi as it also syncs across PC & Mobile. It's considered one of the more privacy conscious chrome-based browsers. Besides it's actually just better.

Thank you very much. Actually, my post came in regards to your updating the OP with mobile browsers info.

The MS Rewards thing is a Microsoft ecosystem wide thing that for me and many more people basically pays for game pass and any ms store thing. It actually is distasteful in terms of privacy because it forces you to use the bing search, but most people only search random shit there and then use a different search engine for real searches. Maybe actually I don't need Edge now for that, because bing can be used in any browser (but before there were points that could only be earned with Edge) but I just have it on the phone for that. On desktop pcs though I just find it more pleasant and better performing than chrome or Firefox, in my experience, but I mostly use work PCs anyway and it's convenient there because of the ms environment on an enterprise situation. I just got used to it on a personal level but my personal use of PCs is limited. Having bitwarden (or whatever alternative) be compatible with any browser would be a must though, be it edge, Vivaldi or whatever one.

I'll take a look into bitwarden, my only fears with these things are services that eventually stop working, or just a random day disappear making you lose access to things, even more third parties having access to my secrets, or just smaller companies with less security getting attacked successfully and my data being exposed. But I guess all of you who already use it have thought of that before and still prefer it to the "big companies" offerings.

I don't really know if I need a chromium based browser, at all, but having to create yet another account somewhere to sync my things bothers me. Maybe not justified, and it's just a better idea in the end.
 

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I'll take a look, thanks!

I'm trying out SimpleLogin for now since I'm using Proton Mail and it looks as though they work rather well together. But I'll keep my eye on some of the others as well.

That makes sense; reading up on SimpleLogin (which looks quite comprehensive actually!), it says "Powered by Proton." It's the same company!