Apparently it's the same model? (MAX), I'll tell you what, I'll definitely not fly in one of those until they figure it out
Ethiopian Airlines: Boeing 737 crashes on way to Kenya (UP: No survivors)
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Apparently it's the same model? (MAX), I'll tell you what, I'll definitely not fly in one of those until they figure it out
Yeah, it's possible this is a process or possible training issue, if the FAA and Boeing sent out guidance. Really interested to see how this plays out (and when those AC Investigation show takes a magnifying glass to it)
Yep, time to black listed that specific MAX version that is to new and clearly has not got a good track record so far
Damn.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ethiop...t-africa-for-a-variety-of-reasons-11552277358
I mean what does that do to someone
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ethiop...t-africa-for-a-variety-of-reasons-11552277358
I mean what does that do to someone
I flew on a 737-800 last Thursday, the interior was very nice. Tomorrow i'm on a 737-700. Not sure if either of these are considered 737 8 MAX.
I've been afraid of flying my whole life, but have gotten over it the last couple of years because I've been flying more. I'm not any more worried than normal
I've been afraid of flying my whole life, but have gotten over it the last couple of years because I've been flying more. I'm not any more worried than normal
It's not enough to rely on administrative controls considering that the hazard in this case appears to the loss of an aircraft will all hands.
I would love to see the risk assessment that Boeing signed off on saying that "failure of a single sensor -> failure to disable MCAS -> loss of airframe and 150 lives" was an acceptable failure path.
The 737 Max is the newest generation of 737's. The -600, -700, and -800 are all part of the NG generation. You did not fly on a Max. And as an aircraft maintenance engineer on 737's, I wouldn't be scared to fly on one, either.
Good to know, thanks! I was going to call signal and have them talk to/train my pilot. I also snagged a good boarding group with southwest, happy it's not for naught.
The Max 7 is going the same way. Everybody wants the Max 8 and Max 10 instead.
I flew Alaska Airlines not too long ago and they used to pride themselves being all Boeing and I was seated in an exit seat and when asked by a flight attendant if I was capable in an emergency on this Airbus the thought flew in my mind "this is an Airbus?". I guess they bought Virgin America or something and just took up their fleet.
https://www.seattletimes.com/busine...cond-recent-crash-of-a-boeing-737-max-begins/
Better sort that out.
Bang on cockpit door and yell "extend flaps!!" then pray.
I think they bought them in ~2016 but only recently removed the Virgin name.
Damn, RIP to all the victims. I didnt know about the Lion Air crash, too.
Boeing better do its homework now, shit is scary.
Boeing better do its homework now, shit is scary.
Ugh, one of my worst fears is to die in a plane crash. I know it's highly improbable, and I've flown plenty of times, but there's just something about it that just terrifies me. RIP to all the victims and condolences to their families.
Damn. This is so haunting.
"the captain's attempts to break in, and Lubitz's steady breathing were audible on the cockpit voice recording. The screams of passengers in the last moments before impact were also heard on the recording."
Same here. If counting deperature and arrival trips I've been on a flight about forty times in my life. Still get internally scared when we hit a very tough patch of sky, no matter how normal my logical brain knows it is
If there's anything like hell, I hope this motherfucker got in there. It's one thing to take your life. But deciding to take hundreds of others with you?
No person wants to compare it to that and it is still haunting for sure. What we are dealing with is likely a huge design flaw in what is the best selling commercial aircraft and it needs to be solved. We just came off a few days ago the 5th anniversary of MH370 and we still don't know what happened.
Well, one reason why aeroplanes are safe is that most of the stuff is automated.
Once those systems fail and pilot have to intervene human error will occur eventually no matter how experienced the pilot is.
If power steering on your car is known to randomly steer you into upcoming traffic you would not want to drive that car for the extended time, even if all you need to do is to be alert for that happen, steer back on your line and disable the system.
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the part where an automated system determines diving straight into the ground as the optimal path might be the first place to point fingers...
If Ryan air in Europe ground or cancel the orders of the Max. That would be massive here. The fleet is all 737 as far as I know
Very infrequently and when they do pilot intervene and (i hope) an investigation is performed on why the computer made a mistake.
If you have only the pilot to rely on it's bad.
True but "is known to" is a bit of a stretch regarding mcas at the moment. We'll see what the investigation about this crash leads to (and the final lion air report I guess)
Oh man... I just got done emotionally recovering from the Michael Jackson doc, and now I'm reading this?
If it was only me and I don't have any other car maybe i can drive carefully for short distance few times.
If it's me and other 150 people in the car and i have other cars i will pick other cars.
One of the reasons why the airline industry work is because of how paranoid on security they are.
What the fuck. When you said kid, I thought you meant an inexperienced pilot. Not an actual 11 year old. Holy fuck
Despite the tragedy this visualization always makes me laugh. Looks like the plane is defying physics throughout the event.
I had not realized this, but basically the 737 Max has a MCAS because the fitting of heavier and wider engines on the plane's old 737 body caused stall issues.
I don't think the max have the same fuselage as the 737 ng series.
Speaking of fuselages and 777, its engine is big.
Actually it's like this.
Boeing stretched the 737(Again), making it heavier. Because it's heavier now, it needs more thrust, so they fit bigger engines. As the 737 has shorter legs than a fat caterpillar they had to move the engine pod ahead of the wing instead of below it. This change moves the center of gravity(an important consideration in flight) forward and therefore they needed a way for the computer to autotrim so that at certain flight regimes the plane doesn't stall.
Not sure about the exact parts, but during test flights pilots saw an issue with the stal chances. This was because the new Max engines are heavier and wider so they are fitted at a different position on the wings and the wing size itself was increased. The MCAS was introduced to account for this issue so plane can handle any stall warnings automatically.
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2/350 crashes is a pretty bad statistic for a plane that has been on the market for about a year.