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dex3108

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Confirming a leak that surfaced earlier this week, Epic Games says that its upcoming Android release for Fortnite will not use Google Play as a distribution platform. Instead, phone users download an installer from Epic's website and install the game directly, bypassing Google's store completely. "Epic's goal is to bring its games directly to customers. We believe gamers will benefit from competition among software sources on Android," says Tim Sweeney. "Competition among services gives consumers lots of great choices and enables the best to succeed based on merit."

Is this just a way for Epic to keep the 30 per cent that Google would take if you were on Play?

Avoiding the 30 per cent "store tax" is a part of Epic's motivation. It's a high cost in a world where game developers' 70 per cent must cover all the cost of developing, operating, and supporting their games. And it's disproportionate to the cost of the services these stores perform, such as payment processing, download bandwidth, and customer service. We're intimately familiar with these costs from our experience operating Fortnite as a direct-to-customer service on PC and Mac.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...e-on-android-doesnt-use-google-play-confirmed
 

Bomblord

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I see no issues with this. I also see no real upsides for the consumer either so... eh?
 

kennyamr

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If they could bypass Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, and Apple they would.

It's more money for the company so it's not a surprise.

They are just taking advantage of that fact that Android is the only open platform out of the popular ones.

Tencent doesn't own Epic completely but if they did, I'd be very concerned with this game installing through a backdoor on my phone.

Chinese companies a.k.a. the Chinese government is one of the least trustworthy entities in the world.
 
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Teamocil

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Oct 25, 2017
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Basically, "we're not trying to give google a cut of our IAP."

Totally expected. And a non issue, imo
 

Slayven

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so they asking folks to enable unknown sources? that might be a problem
 

Saint-14

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Wouldn't this hurt the awareness of the game? I don't know how Google Play works but if it's like the App Store then the most popular games are always visible for people.
 

Bonejack

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I see no issues with this. I also see no real upsides for the consumer either so... eh?

Haven't read the article yet, but depending on how they plan to do the install, it might require the user to go into his settings and allow the installation of APKs from "untrusted sources" in the security settings. Thats .... a very big deal for the average joe imo.

so they asking folks to enable unknown sources? that might be a problem

This.
 

ShinUltramanJ

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Oct 27, 2017
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We feel customers benefit from competing software sources, so we've decided to keep our game off a competing software source.
 

SaberVS7

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I find this honestly to be very... Um... Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh at best with Tencent involved.

Smells like the perfect vector for Chinese spyware to me.

Also a lot of people gonna be downloading compromised APKs because of this.
 

-COOLIO-

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Oct 25, 2017
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doing the same on an iphone is basically impossible, right? unless epic asked customers to sideload via xcode/itunes
 

SliceSabre

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There isn't actually a upside for customer here it's just they want to keep more money in their pockets.
 

Sylverstone

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meanwhile at Google:
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That's a big middle finger to Google, but I can't really say that I blame Epic here. It seems silly for them to pay a 30% tax on basically nothing. Fortnite certainly doesn't need the exposure that the Google Play store would offer either.
 

StereoVSN

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I find this honestly to be very... Um... Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh at best with Tencent involved.

Smells like the perfect vector for Chinese spyware to me.

Also a lot of people gonna be downloading compromised APKs because of this.
Yeah, considering the APK won't have proper google cert signed, coupled with all kinds of malware possibilities, it's certainly going to be interesting.

Plus Tencent spying as a bonus! Also, there are going to be people duped into downloading malware from shady sites because they got transferred, clicked in the wrong place etc...

On a separate note, good on Google to allow 3rd party install permissions per app without dev mode (haven't properly used Android in years besides locked down work device).
 

-COOLIO-

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I find this honestly to be very... Um... Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh at best with Tencent involved.

Smells like the perfect vector for Chinese spyware to me.

Also a lot of people gonna be downloading compromised APKs because of this.
if it were a paid app, this might be more of an issue due to piracy from sketchy sites, but i think most fornite players would know to go the official epic site to download it, just as they did the pc desktop version.
 

Bonejack

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Oct 27, 2017
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Oh damn, i forgot Tencent is involved. Yeah, that's a risky thing Epic's trying to do ... fake APKs will appear en masse without a proper signed one, i don't know if those 30% cut (which i agree is too much) is worth the hassle and potential problems.
 

RM8

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Android already has a "problem" of people not spending as much money in games as iOS users, I wonder if this will hurt the developers in the end.
 

Laconik

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I find this honestly to be very... Um... Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh at best with Tencent involved.

Smells like the perfect vector for Chinese spyware to me.

Also a lot of people gonna be downloading compromised APKs because of this.
Lots of V-Bucks scams will have people do this.

Bad look, Tencent. I don't trust companies that are loyal to the CCP
 

Kudo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, considering the APK won't have proper google cert signed, coupled with all kinds of malware possibilities, it's certainly going to be interesting.

Plus Tencent spying as a bonus! Also, there are going to be people duped into downloading malware from shady sites because they got transferred, clicked in the wrong place etc...

On a separate note, good on Google to allow 3rd party install permissions per app without dev mode (haven't properly used Android in years besides locked down work device).

Let's be real, most Android devices are loaded to boot with Google so I really doubt people care about spying at this point.
I was actually thinking about making a topic for this since gamers seem to be one of the least caring communities about privacy, literally everything we do is tracked and recorded, and nobody bats an eye. We are the product.
 

Kyuur

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Oct 28, 2017
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I can see this opening the opportunity for scammers to install fishy APKs on people's machines. Not any different than Fortnite on PC but I feel like some of the primary target for these kind of attacks have moved to mobile (in part thanks to its avoidance of these issues).

Also the APK for Fortnite shouldn't be signed this way. Iirc correctly, only way to get your APK signed is by uploading it to the Play Store.

You can sign your app yourself before uploading it to Google Play.