I'm hoping for this.
But this is what we'll get.
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European Court of Justice: UK can unilaterally revoke Article 50. Deal meaningful vote delayed. (Brexit)
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I'm hoping for this.
But this is what we'll get.
As long as we have this government overseeing our future decisions(whether we remain or not), nothing good will happen.
Absolute shitshow.
Absolute shitshow.
I kinda think I think if there were a 2nd referendum, leave would still win by about the same thin margin.
Why?
That would require everyone who didn't vote to either abstain again or roughly vote in the same vein the original vote went. There are also many former brexit voters who have changed their mind, and I doubt the opposite is true.
All that needs to be done is clearly point at the current shitshow and be honest with the voting public about the reality of what is on offer, what offer is even possible, and be very up front about why the current machinations of the political class completely undermine a vote to leave
I'm not convinced of this doomsday profecy 2nd vote to leave - yes some have dug their heels in, but a strong showing for remain (now that it is easier to show actual consequences) would prevail in my opinion - though I'm prepared to be thought of as naïve in that regard
Hey, democracy works like that, people vote and then shit happens
So what would you guys say the percentage change of remaining is ? I'm not from the UK and barely know the basics of the whole situation.
Or rather I should say the chance of a second referendum.
Or rather I should say the chance of a second referendum.
"Government will step up preperations for no deal"
WHY? What the fuck, its literally been proven by two sources we can cancel the whole fucking thing. What is wrong with these idiots.
I repeat what the other guy said:
The vote wasnt legally binding, leave side broke the law, Russia was interfering, we didnt have any details on leaving
WHY? What the fuck, its literally been proven by two sources we can cancel the whole fucking thing. What is wrong with these idiots.
I repeat what the other guy said:
The vote wasnt legally binding, leave side broke the law, Russia was interfering, we didnt have any details on leaving
Probably still low. Corbyn wants power, not the EU so even a GE wouldn't stop it as no other bugger will get the seat.
If he was Remain then the chances would be much better.
Only one way to find out! At least this time we'd be working with a lot more credible information
If shit could be prevented, shouldn't we fight for that?
Or, should we sit back and let it happen because gammons wanted brown people out of the country?
Tough choice tbh.
/s
And 4 or 5 years later we all vote again.
This is something that once its done we might not be able to vote on again for 10 years, and it could be 15 or 20 before we got back into the EU. This is not just any other vote.
40% chance of second ref. 25% chance of remaining.
Just how I feel about it right now.
I think a second referendum would result in another vote as close as the first one. That is entirely the problem with Brexit and why a deal is so difficult, there is no clear direction the majority of people want to go so there is nothing that can satisfy enough people.
Nobody knows why individual people voted for brexit. So they could turn around and say 'well Norway deal would technically be leaving the EU, just without changing much'. Just that they've fixated on freedom of movement being restricted and the nebulous trade deals bollocks.
Listen, i get the sentiment in feeling like youre on the right side of the issue, but a lot of people are not going to be happy if EU and Remain side somehow manage to not uphold the results of the referendum, that would in fact only make people feel like EU is not a democratic system which would fuel the flames in the growing anti-EU sentiment in the eastern side of europe which in the long run would be a bad thing
You have to respect the voting results
Oh fuck off do we. That's exactly the point of non binding. You're suggesting we fuck the country up because half the country are thick as shit and are looking to take an act of Darwinism. Pick a better argument cause its weak and tired as the old fucks pushing for it.
Yeh seeing polls weaver thinly between leave/remain makes a 2nd referendum a risky move, If there was a 2nd referendum and it was between May's deal or remain then it's in the bag. It depends on what's on the ballot paper though, if it became a preference vote then it becomes a lot harder to call.
The entire Brexit referendum was based on wild fantasies that had no connection whatsoever to reality.
It's like someone talked you into making a promise that you'd bury a 8 inch kitchen knife into your stomach because someone told you that would release a genie who could grant you 3 wishes, and after promising to do so, you got a hard lesson in the fact that genies aren't real and stabbing yourself in the stomach is a bad idea that's only going to cause lifelong health problems. And this is the equivalent of going "OK, yeah, so the benefits I was sold on were a complete fantasy and doing this is going to be absolutely nothing but bad for me, but on the other hand, I did make a promise..."
Yeah, no deal doesn't fly. If shit is going to hit the fan you revoke article 50 instead of destroying the UK.
May is playing chicken with parliament, i do have some concern her faith in her own ability is going to drive the country over the cliff by mistake. She is incredibly binkered.
It depends, 30% of all eligible voters voted leave, people may have changed their minds both ways, younger people who reached voting age, people that died, would they allow Britains living outside the UK in the EU a vote this time? There is a lot of people who didn't vote and some who couldn't vote, whether they vote for remain or leave who knows but I think people will care a lot more in another referendum.
It's not really. Binding referendums are almost impossible in the UK constitutional system. Parliament has ultimate sovereignty and cannot be compelled to act. The only way it can work is if you draft *and* pass the bill beforehand, and it includes a clause that says "and none of this shall apply unless and until approved by majority in a referendum" (which was of course impossible to arrange for Brexit).
Parliament was not compelled to invoke A50, but if it hadn't, it would have caused its own constitutional crisis. No future referendum (on any topic) would be possible, as their would have been a clear precedent for "nah, thanks but no thanks".
It was dumb to hold it, and the question was dumb, and the simple majority requirement was dumb, and the campaign was dumb, but the result was legitimate (enough) that it must be honoured in order to maintain confidence in the constitutional legitimacy of the government.
Which is why there is close to 0% chance of Remain happening without a 2nd referendum.
Not like she would wheel out a vote a day before March 29th. She can't force it her way.
It's like Brexit is some shitty MLM that the UK voted to enter based on wild fantasies but they now have a rare opportunity to leave because it's a complete con job
TBF, what you've also described here is every general election ever.
Politicians make careers out of promising the world in order to get people out to vote, only to under-deliver and leave us with the words, "well... shit happens"
I don't really see how Brexit was any different.
It's quite different between pulling us out of the EU after 40 years of cooperation and integration on blatant lies and assumptions that will leave us poorer with ramifications for decades, loss of rights etc. compared to we won't put 1p on your petrol and promising more teachers, nurses.
Brexit is the Nigerian Prince scam, if after taking your money the fake Prince said "I'm not a Prince, I'm a Thief I'll give you your money back" and you said "no no I want to help you and I want a piece of your big cash load" and let him keep all your money.
Actually you don't, it's just all the politicians being too chicken shit to save the country from this awful awful situation
Nearly 100% of the Brexit promise was a lie, and much of that was pushed on you by foreign propaganda money that wants the EU weaker for *reasons*. With that knowledge in hand, pushing forward blindly seems like insanity.
"This is no different" is like saying "Trump lies no more than the average politician" when this is demonstrably untrue.
I just dont see how anyone could "pick" any other outcome after all thats happened so far without setting a pretty dangerous presedent in "voting does not fucking matter"
A shitty shitty outcome but a pretty good example on how not to run a country
Its like climate change, old fuckers getting all the benefits while they live and leaving a big pile of shit for the generations to come after they die, literally leaving everything in worse shape than they had
"Thanks, you take care now"
Can't wait to see other coutries announcing they leave the EU just so they can negotiate a better deal and cancel at the last minute
Really? It looks pretty simple to me.
"We had absolutely no idea the damage leaving the EU would do to our economy and our future prospects in the world."
Then you either cancel unilaterally or you put your negotiated deal up against what you already have and get people to vote on what they want.