Everyone has already pointed out how The Dark Knight Rises makes no sense but do you mind the plot holes much (spoilers)?

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

-Bane does a bunch of illegal trades under Bruce Wayne's name which causes Bruce Wayne to lose all of his money even though the trades were so obviously illegal that they were doing a terror attack in broad daylight to do the trades.

-Gordon sends 100k+ cops into the sewers, they never try leaving through a manhole but survive pretty well in the sewers for 6 months.

-The prison is only escapable by having a good horizontal leap which apparently only a 9 year old had because she was the only person in the prison who feared death.

-Batman's back is healed by it getting punched.

-All of the Clean Slate stuff.

-Robin finds out Bruce Wayne is Batman because Bruce Wayne has angry orphan eyes.

-Batman learns a massive amount of information in a dream.

-No one recognizes Bruce Wayne after his reported death even though he looks the same as he looked in The Dark Knight.


At no point in this movie does anything really make any sense and everyone has pointed it at this point. The question is, how much do you care?

Me personally? I still like the movie, but I care a decent bit about the plot holes. A lot of scenes (especially the angry orphan eyes scene) are so cringeworthy in large part because of how little sense they make. What is Era's opinion on how much the plot holes detract from the movie?

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

I wouldn't consider those plots holes. They are just fucking stupid plot points. And yes, I mind.

I have never been as hyped for a movie as I was Rises. I absolutely love Begins and Knight. My father, sister, brother, and some friends went to see the trilogy showing opening night... and man did I leave disappointed. It has grown on me over time, but it is just filled with stupid ideas.

 

[LewieP]

It certainly lessens the movie in my eyes, even if it is still enjoyable and has some great sequences/moments.

All those contrivances and just the weaker story/characterisation across the board mean that it's the worst of the trilogy by a fair margin.

 

[HMS_Pinafore]

- Why would they shoot a man before throwing them out of a plane?

 

[crazy monkey]

It was a bad movie. Like c-.

 

[giancarlo123x]

I was flabbergasted how bad that movie was. Never bothered again after seeing it day 1. The memes are fuego though.

 

[hordak]

yeah it was definitely far worse then the Dark Knight and that movie had more then fair share of stupid writing (cell phone bomb anyone?) but i remember watching the movie in theaters and literally said WTF outloud when the cops were freed from their 6 month incarceration in the sewers.

The best thing to come out of that movie was Bane rapping freestyle

 

[Mr.Awesome]

-Bane does a bunch of illegal trades under Bruce Wayne's name which causes Bruce Wayne to lose all of his money even though the trades were so obviously illegal that they were doing a terror attack in broad daylight to do the trades.

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Iirc, they do address this one. Believe Morgan Freeman says something like for right now you're broke but well prove fraud. Not great but I dont think its necessarily a hole either then.

 

[Gundam]

Unless they take you out of it in the moment, plot holes are harmless and don't make a story worse, in my opinion.

 

[matrix-cat]

Plot holes don't matter in any movie. It's the worst form of criticism.

 

[Antrax]

Yeah, it leaned hard into Nolan's bad side, like the infamous Interstellar "love" line. Nolan wanted certain things to happen, and he didn't care what contrivances were needed to make those things happen.

I generally just watch Begins and TDK. I think they stand up well as a duology, and so I'm fine with never watching Rises again.

 

[TylersProphecy]

I walked out entirely disappointed, mainly due to the plot. It's really tiring honestly. Note how batman travels the heroes journey twice in this movie, never quite reaching an end goal almost. He has to build his way back to even normal fighting skills the first half of the movie and then...they cripple him and send him to a prison so you get to watch him BECOME batman, AGAIN, for the second time in the movie. Such a huge waste of literal time as far as runtime went.

Another favorite scene is when Robin fires a gun, looks at it after like hes never seen one before, then throws it like it was poisonous because they really had to hammer home how Robin doesnt use guns, despite being a police officer up until that point. Just...some really heavy handed directing in this movie.

 

[ZackieChan]

I wouldn't consider those plots holes. They are just fucking stupid plot points. And yes, I mind.

I have never been as hyped for a movie as I was Rises. I absolutely love Begins and Knight. My father, sister, brother, and some friends went to see the trilogy showing opening night... and man did I leave disappointed. It has grown on me over time, but it is just filled with stupid ideas.

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I had the same exact feeling. I was a little put off after I saw the special showing of the opening in IMAX beforehand, with the original Bane voice that was completely unintelligible. And the dumb plane stuff, which just didn't seem like it should be in a Batman movie.
But I wasn't prepared for just how dumb the actual movie would be.
And no, OP those aren't "plot holes." They're just stupid things.

 

[Deleted member 12790]

something I never see mentioned -- the fake court with the scarecrow sentences gordon and crew to die. The way they're to die is that they are made to walk across thin ice, the idea being that as they walk, they'll break the ice, which will make them fall into freezing water and drown. The beginning of the scene is about them being forced to walk on the ice, and how they're stepping tenderly to not crack it up... then batman shows up and beats up all the bad guys on the ice, and suddenly everyone is walking around the ice like it's no danger, even lighting a torch over the thin ice with no fear that it'd melt and crack. They all stand on the ice while looking at the flaming monument above. The ice being thin is never mentioned again.

 

[jayu26]

Even if you're not actively thinking about it, logical inconsistencies will bother you unconsciously. That's my problem with Nolan's writing in general.

 

[Vic_Viper]

The movie has its problems, but I still really enjoy it to this day.

I do wonder how much the movie changed after Ledger's death. Ive read that they had planned on using him in Rises, so I am curious how far into the scripting phase they had gotten before he passed away.

 

[Relic]

I couldn't tell you what Bane's plan was. (Besides getting caught at the beginning of the movie). Compare that to Joker in TDK who has very understandable motivation.

Still, I liked it a lot. Better than a typical blockbuster.

 

[BadWeddingSpeech]

Unless they take you out of it in the moment, plot holes are harmless and don't make a story worse, in my opinion.

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Well said.

 

[TylersProphecy]

The movie has its problems, but I still really enjoy it to this day.

I do wonder how much the movie changed after Ledger's death. Ive read that they had planned on using him in Rises, so I am curious how far into the scripting phase they had gotten before he passed away.

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From what I remember, the third movie was supposed to be the trial of the joker.

 

[Vic_Viper]

something I never see mentioned -- the fake court with the scarecrow sentences gordon and crew to die. The way they're to die is that they are made to walk across thin ice, the idea being that as they walk, they'll break the ice, which will make them fall into freezing water and drown. The beginning of the scene is about them being forced to walk on the ice, and how they're stepping tenderly to not crack it up... then batman shows up and beats up all the bad guys on the ice, and suddenly everyone is walking around the ice like it's no danger, even lighting a torch over the thin ice with no fear that it'd melt and crack. They all stand on the ice while looking at the flaming monument above. The ice being thin is never mentioned again.

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Batman put the flares down on the parts that were safer to walk on.

 

[Vic_Viper]

From what I remember, the third movie was supposed to be the trial of the joker.

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Do you know where I could find some info on it by any chance? Googleing it now, just curious if theres a good source of info somewhere I may not find.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

I only actively dislike stuff like when it's uncool or lame. If it makes no sense but is cool, then I'm ok with it

Stuff like Blake somehow being the only person to figure out Bruce Wayne is Batman would be cool ... if the reason how wasn't so lame.

THhe plot holes with the prison pit don't keep that sequence from being compelling to me though. Getting his back punched into place is fucking metal, and the chanting, music, and "what does it mean?" "Rise, bitch." make it hype.

And so forth.

 

[mattiewheels]

Plot holes don't matter in any movie. It's the worst form of criticism.

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I agree, I'm along for the ride and can suspend my disbelief as long as it's interesting. But with this one, it's just a huge mess that gets to you after a while.

 

[Deleted member 12790]

Batman put the flares down on the parts that were safer to walk on.

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yes, and that's really stupid, because putting a flare on ice makes it unsafe.

 

[真棒!]

-Why would taking off the mask be extremely painful for Mr. CIA?

 

[Spring-Loaded]

yes, and that's really stupid, because putting a flare on ice makes it unsafe.

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But he said "light it up" and it was dope

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

-Why would taking off the mask be extremely painful for Mr. CIA?

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This is just really strange editing and dialog, Bane meant that he would beat Littlefinger to death if he took the mask off.

 

[Randomly Generated]

-Why would taking off the mask be extremely painful for Mr. CIA?

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Because Bane is a big guy.

 

[Deleted member 12790]

But he said "light it up" and it was dope

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admittedly that scene with the kid calling his dad to gawk at the burning bat signal is probably my favorite moment in the movie. Great fuck you to Bane.

 

[Ultimate Bear Cub]

-How would plunging my hands into the filth keep yours clean?

 

[sfedai0]

WAIT, the police were in the sewers for 6 months?????? But yea, this movie is a dumpster fire.

 

[Shadow-Link]

I do care, it was such a disappointment. The worst of the trilogy by a really wide margin.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

WAIT, the police were in the sewers for 6 months?????? But yea, this movie is a dumpster fire.

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The movie has a very bad understanding of how time works.

Incredibly bad.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

admittedly that scene with the kid calling his dad to gawk at the burning bat signal is probably my favorite moment in the movie. Great fuck you to Bane.

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I just now vividly remembered Bane saying "Impossible" after seeing the burning bar symbol despite forgetting the moment, and it made me smile.

 

[Deleted member 4034]

I'm willing to let some things go in GOOD movies, aka how Joker is able to do anything really in The Dark Knight. In not so good ones these flaws stand out way too much at hurt the flawed project even more.

The Dark Knight relied on Joker outsmarting everyone and always staying ahead. Rises relies on a lot of stupid fucking choices and conviences to work. Things that seem like a bad idea the moment they're said out like. Like everything that comes out if Matthew Modine's mouth.

Glad we break down everything wrong with this movie because the old "well y'all are just being hyperbolic because it wasn't as good as the last movie" defense was getting tired.

I have to no idea why people rag on TDKR for plot holes when you could do the same for like every other blockbuster ever. It's like a fun hate train or something.

Anyway, I like it a lot.

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How bout you read the thread where people explain their issues.

 

[Deleted member 12790]

I just now vividly remembered Bane saying "Impossible" after seeing the burning bar symbol despite forgetting the moment, and it made me smile.

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yeah, and it's coupled with a pretty cool audio crescendo. I'm a sucker for moments like that, and it makes me forgive the scene before even if I recognize how silly it is.



That's one thing I actually really liked throughout the entire Nolan series -- the importance of symbolism and theatrics and the batman Mythos as well. I mean, it's sort of the central theme of his entire series, visible messages controlling the narrative. I enjoyed moments like that, where there would have been, in real life, an insane amount of work put into that one tiny moment of theatrics, yet the story still makes it seem like it was somehow important. Actually, similar to that scene, I liked the scene where they showed Robin drawing batsignals on the walls in chalk as a form of psychological warfare.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Where's that "plot holes" video?

 

[Deleted member 4034]

Plot holes don't matter in any movie. It's the worst form of criticism.

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Plot holes matter, people just don't know how to identify them properly and it just became and over used, often incorrectly, criticism.

 

[giancarlo123x]

Because Bane is a big guy.

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[Khanimus]

There's just so many moving pieces that the movie becomes a structural mess. So few things end up carrying the weight they need to because there's this other thing they have to juggle, or this other exposition dump.

Honestly, you could have split this movie into two, right after Bane says "Gotham... will survive," expanded on some characters and plotlines, and you would be so much better for it.

 

[Alienous]

- I think I recall Lucius(?) talking about how fraud will be provable with time. I think access to Bruce Wayne's funds was just frozen.

- The police thing is dumb.

- I think Batman had a dislocated/slipped vertebrae, which maybe could be realigned with a blunt force... ?

- The clean slate is stupid.

- The Blake stuff was stupid.

- Batman puts the clues together in his delirious state, and is incorrect in his deductions.

- I'm not sure when people are supposed to recognise Bruce Wayne.

In any case these aren't really plot holes, just writing you find to be bad.

 

[BDS]

This is just really strange editing and dialog, Bane meant that he would beat Littlefinger to death if he took the mask off.

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Somebody get this hothead out of here

 

[dennett316]

I'm a wrestling fan, my suspension of disbelief is pretty damn wide (though WWE has tested even those limits a bunch over the years, most recently with Jinder Mahal being in wrestling trunks to go after R-Truth's 24/7 title on a golf course).
The jump to make it out of the prison being mental rather than strictly physical is fine. The big burning bat symbol is fine because of Rule of Cool. Like anything, if you're enjoying it, the niggles don't bother you. If you're not enjoying it those same niggles become the worst problems in the world and kill the movie. I enjoyed it, so I was fine with the contrivances.

 

[shaneo632]

Like a lot of Nolan's films, the technical craft and operatic heft are so strong it's quite easy to overlook a lot of the flaws. Nolan's quite skilled at doing this even so the films are riveting in the cinema but are more easily picked apart at home.

 

[McPaul]

I was flabbergasted how bad that movie was. Never bothered again after seeing it day 1. The memes are fuego though.

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Same.Both me and my brother were extremly disappointed with it and haven't watched it again since then.

 

[PixelatedDonut]

I'm a wrestling fan, my suspension of disbelief is pretty damn wide (though WWE has tested even those limits a bunch over the years, most recently with Jinder Mahal being in wrestling trunks to go after R-Truth's 24/7 title on a golf course).
The jump to make it out of the prison being mental rather than strictly physical is fine. The big burning bat symbol is fine because of Rule of Cool. Like anything, if you're enjoying it, the niggles don't bother you. If you're not enjoying it those same niggles become the worst problems in the world and kill the movie. I enjoyed it, so I was fine with the contrivances.

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Pretty much this for me, I've seen worst shit in comics.

 

[Timeaisis]

I have to no idea why people rag on TDKR for plot holes when you could do the same for like every other blockbuster ever. It's like a fun hate train or something.

Anyway, I like it a lot.

 

[Khanimus]

I'm a wrestling fan, my suspension of disbelief is pretty damn wide (though WWE has tested even those limits a bunch over the years, most recently with Jinder Mahal being in wrestling trunks to go after R-Truth's 24/7 title on a golf course).
The jump to make it out of the prison being mental rather than strictly physical is fine. The big burning bat symbol is fine because of Rule of Cool. Like anything, if you're enjoying it, the niggles don't bother you. If you're not enjoying it those same niggles become the worst problems in the world and kill the movie. I enjoyed it, so I was fine with the contrivances.

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Right here. The Bat symbol thing etc. is silly the second your brain even remotely acknowledges it, but part of Batman is the silly showy-ness of it all. That's just the fun of superheroes.

There are like... actual thematic and structural problems with the movie that are so much more egregious.

I mean don't get me wrong, there are so many bits in this movie that I think are genuinely good, but it is just very messy.

 

[Htown]

most of them didn't bother me, but sending basically all the cops down a hole into the sewers was such a stupid, over-the-top nonsensical thing to do that it immediately broke my suspension of disbelief for the rest of the movie

I immediately just thought, "oh so this doesn't have to make any sense, the plot just needs to go to a specific place and to hell with anything else. okay."

 

[Ultimate Bear Cub]

I have to no idea why people rag on TDKR for plot holes when you could do the same for like every other blockbuster ever. It's like a fun hate train or something.

Anyway, I like it a lot.

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You see, it's the slow criticism... the critique that takes its time, the disapproval that waits years without forgetting, then slips quietly between the memes... that's the condemnation that cuts deepest.