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I read the comments. That's why I called you out on it. You have done nothing but constantly misconstruing what anyone says.
Just like you're trying to do now. Apparently me pointing out that you should be uncomfortable with Peterson spreading neo Nazi conspiracy garbage is now considered "hurling abuse".
I'm talking about this post of yours:
BernardoOne said:
"The fact that you needed to misconstrue someone else's argument entirely and making it seem like someone said something they didn't actually said, and then use that as a generalisation of opposing viewpoints to yourself, as a desperate way of trying to exiting the conversation, is pretty telling."

In any case, good luck in all your future endeavours.
 

Deleted member 21380

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Historically speaking, has de-platforming ever worked? Because in the Weimar Republic, it definitely didn't.

On a side note, Brave New World and Farenheit 451 are definitely not "alt right books", what the hell?
 

hobblygobbly

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People aren't 100% good or evil.

Hitler was a vegetarian, loved his dog and was nice to his secretary. Is every vegetarian now also evil?

I'm pretty sure even a piece of shit like a KKK Grand Dragon loves his daughter/son very much just like nearly every other parent on this earth.
Well yes this is technically true, but only if viewed in isolation. The context is that Hitler was 100% evil, even if he had good and moral traits his immoral and bad ones outweigh it significantly.

For example, Hitler once said this (to be clear this is not 100% known to be exact - the original was never found and only known in the English translation of the text, but his feelings towards Muslims and Japanese/Chinese are well known):

"Pride in one's own race—and that does not imply contempt for other races—is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilisations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilisation to which we belong. Indeed, I believe the more steadfast the Chinese and the Japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier I shall find it to get on with them."

So Hitler wasn't a "total racist™" but he did still see many other races as inferior, but because he saw other races as equals, many Nazis like to point out how Hitler was just a realist and all that sort of nonsense.

Yes Hitler liked Islam, and also Arabs (although historically they are semitic people), and and he also saw the Chinese and Japanese as equals, and in isolation those make him seem not 100% evil, but his actions and views to other races and other issues completely outweigh those sort of sentiments. Hitler hated Jews, but he liked Muslims, but that doesn't change the fact that he hates Jews.

Yes some people aren't 100% evil, some average person today can have murdered someone before, realised their mistake, did time, sought forgiveness, and do good deeds after the fact and eventually came out as a better person, then yes this person is not 100% evil if they do good in life, but Hitler did way too much evil, he is 100% evil. There is a point you cross like genocide where there is no turning back. There are people today that were once neo-Nazis and antisemitic and they changed their lives around eventually and do good deeds like holocaust education, etc, so yes these sort of people aren't 100% evil, but Hitler never changed - he killed himself even because he was a coward.
 
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NoName999

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So an update in this topic we had:

Attempts of thread derail by saying F 451 is an alt right book
Both sidesing
#NotAllAltRight
"We shouldn't be violent to Nazis" ie a group that advocates GENOCIDE
Discomfort about someone comparing a guy, who spreads Nazi conspiracies, to a Nazi
The Extremists Left that's totally gonna come to power with their gulags any day now
Holier Than Thou types passive aggressively misrepresenting the points of others
Nazis aren't evil 24/7 because they might pet puppies
"Just debate them" excuse
Claiming bigotry is just a "difference of opinion"
And getting at leftists for basically warning you not to feed Nazis

Amazing! Just amazing!
 

Visanideth

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So an update in this topic we had:

Attempts of thread derail by saying F 451 is an alt right book
Both sidesing
#NotAllAltRight
"We shouldn't be violent to Nazis" ie a group that advocates GENOCIDE
Discomfort about someone comparing a guy, who spreads Nazi conspiracies, to a Nazi
The Extremists Left that's totally gonna come to power with their gulags any day now
Holier Than Thou types passive aggressively misrepresenting the points of others
Nazis aren't evil 24/7 because they might pet puppies
"Just debate them" excuse
And getting at leftists for basically warning you not to feed Nazis

Amazing! Just amazing!

Ahem.
 

BernardoOne

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I'm talking about this post of yours:
BernardoOne said:
"The fact that you needed to misconstrue someone else's argument entirely and making it seem like someone said something they didn't actually said, and then use that as a generalisation of opposing viewpoints to yourself, as a desperate way of trying to exiting the conversation, is pretty telling."

In any case, good luck in all your future endeavours.
So wait, it's not only "the first post" where I quoted you, it's the very post I literally talked about and asked how is it "hurling abuse"?. Why are you telling me to go back to the post I was literally telling you about on my post? Is this really the level of discourse with you? I asked you to explain how it is "hurling abuse" and you do nothing but "hey here's the exact post you literally were posting about".
Stop running away and tell me why pointing out that you were misconstruing people statements and generalising is considered "abuse". I'm really, really curious. Ah, and I expect an actual argument, not just you linking me to the post again, the one I'm talking about right now.
 

Gifmaker

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I don't know, and I don't know why that's important. It would make them evil, it wouldn't make you anything unless you were a Nazi.
Well, I am not as far as I am concerned, even though I have been called one before. But had I lived back in those days under those circumstances, I wish I could say that I would not have been one, but I can't. I might as well have, even if I was the exact same person I am right now. I just kind of don't want to be murdered by some government, religion, ideology please.
 

Bjones

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So an update in this topic we had:

Attempts of thread derail by saying F 451 is an alt right book
Both sidesing
#NotAllAltRight
"We shouldn't be violent to Nazis" ie a group that advocates GENOCIDE
Discomfort about someone comparing a guy, who spreads Nazi conspiracies, to a Nazi
The Extremists Left that's totally gonna come to power with their gulags any day now
Holier Than Thou types passive aggressively misrepresenting the points of others
Nazis aren't evil 24/7 because they might pet puppies
"Just debate them" excuse
Claiming bigotry is just a "difference of opinion"
And getting at leftists for basically warning you not to feed Nazis

Amazing! Just amazing!

It seems some of those were pointed at my post and very much twisted my points.
 

Atrophis

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Their 'lies' are already on youtube, and Jordan has millions of followers. I am one of them. I sincerely believe the left doesn't want to debate him because they know they would lose. Simple as that.

BTW, Jordan says racists waving racist flags are useless miserable beings and they should grow up.

The man thinks lefty professors are genocidal monsters while dismissing alt-righters as naughty boys just messing around online. He's unhinged.
 

RedMercury

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Well, I am not as far as I am concerned, even though I have been called one before. But had I lived back in those days under those circumstances, I wish I could say that I would not have been one, but I can't. I might as well have, even if I was the exact same person I am right now. I just kind of don't want to be murdered by some government, religion, ideology please.
What does that have to do with anything? It sounds like you are trying to posit the existence of "good Nazis" or are taking pity on them as victims of circumstance. Why? Tens of thousands of Germans went to jail or camps for resisting Nazi rule, people knew it was bad.

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BlackAlmighty

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Too bad its just a fantasy. Unless the majority of dominant society want change it will happen. Until then they will ignore it as usual.
 

Cranston

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Here's an idea, rather than bicker pointlessly, why don't people share excellent books that they have read which describe fascism / tyranny.

Here's one that I mentioned yesterday:

Laurence Rees: 'The Holocaust - A New History' - an extremely difficult book that very clearly and methodically sets out the rise of the Third Reich and its development. It spends time dealing with each individual country in Europe and relies upon hitherto unpublished testimony.

For anyone on the left that fancies considering what can go wrong on their own turf, Robert Conquest's 'The Great Terror' has just been re-published. He was one of the first journalists to puncture the soviet myth. Lots of pages - don't drop it on your foot.

Whatever you do, don't read anything by Aldous Huxley. I heard he's a subversive mother.
 

BMatt07

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So you are saying that any views can be allowed a platform? That we should hope that everyone exposed to these platforms will decipher the bullshit and manipulation for themselves?

I mean.. that's what free speech ultimately is.

Free speech includes hate speech, it includes nonsense, it includes blasphemy and dissent. It includes any kind of thought or idea, for better or worse.

Unfortunately this means bigots and xenophobes do have a voice. As crappy as it is, when you suppress speech you breed more serious and dark actions. With open discourse, those who are unstable or delusional are free to expose themselves for all to see. When you try and drive that underground, they will find other ways of expressing themselves, and they generally aren't peaceful.
 

Gifmaker

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What does that have to do with anything? It sounds like you are trying to posit the existence of "good Nazis" or are taking pity on them as victims of circumstance. Why? Tens of thousands of Germans went to jail or camps for resisting Nazi rule, people knew it was bad.
I was just curious about your opinion, that's all. It sparked my interest.

I don't know what your point here is but it would make your ancestors evil, yeah.

Idk about you. Are you a Nazi? If so, then yeah I have no problem calling you evil.
Thank you also, your opinion is noted as well. No, as stated before, I am not a Nazi as far as I am aware.
 
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Arkage

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"We shouldn't be violent to Nazis" ie a group that advocates GENOCIDE

I'll give you a hint on who wins the violence game, if that's the one the left wants to play: those that own the guns. And guess which "side" correlates really strong with gun ownership and militarism? The left shouldn't initiate violence upon Nazis because that's a game the left will lose, both in terms of their opponent's strength and in terms of who will get arrested and punished by the law.
 

I Don't Like

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Their 'lies' are already on youtube, and Jordan has millions of followers. I am one of them. I sincerely believe the left doesn't want to debate him because they know they would lose. Simple as that.

BTW, Jordan says racists waving racist flags are useless miserable beings and they should grow up.

Alt-righters say a lot of shit. Their stance on supremacists and neo-nazis is disingenuous at best; complete lies at worst.

I don't get folks who say that republicans, trump supporters etc are literally Nazis but aren't finding and confronting them on the street and at their homes. I did jail time for fighting actual swastika wearing skinheads in my youth. This sounds like more talk without action.

Them being confronted on the street is well documented but not sure what you're implying by confronting them in their homes. Can't break into someone's house and I don't think nazis advertise where they live.

As for talk without action: we just had a bunch of them walk through a town with torches yelling, "Jews will not replace us", then holding rallies where an anti-nazi protester was run over and killed. You can also search for and refer to the, "The Alt Right is killing people" thread which was recently created.

Fuck anyone and everyone who identifies with the alt-right and certainly fuck all nazis and nazi sympathizers. They have nothing to offer the modern world and the mere fact they're "human beings" means fuck all. They should be afraid to espouse their views in public. Stick to 4Chan and leave it at that.
 

Nepenthe

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I'll give you a hint on who wins the violence game, if that's the one the left wants to play: those that own the guns.
This only works if you believe

A.) No one who is considered a leftist owns guns,

B.) That right-leaning people with guns wouldn't fight Nazism alongside leftists,

C.) The sizes of the armies are equivalent, and

D.) That the Nazi side isn't routinely full of scared little boys and cowards who latched onto it as a way to avoid confronting their own mediocrity and thus wouldn't ditch at the first sign of blood.

I'm willing to put money down on the scenario that if a group of Nazis that were confronting a group of normal people openly declared war on the normal people in any part of America, that they would get fucked up real quick.
 

BernardoOne

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It's so easy to beat these strawmen and low resolution caricatures of his ideas. But in a true debate, he is a logical force to be reckoned with.
Yeah, lots of logic behind "women want to be brutally dominated by men" and " I don't support gay marriage because of a conspiracy theory". Truly next level logic master.
Also couldn't even read a pretty darn simple bill. What a genius.
 
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Jersey_Tom

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Good point. You're right it's probably not as simple as I stated. But I don't see an alternative...

Debating them with logic and facts are still the only real antidote to these extremist ideas imo.

Logic and facts certainly play a role but it means little if it's coming from someone with the charisma of a stump. You have to be able to pair your facts with the proper devilery vehicle, because debates with normal everyday people aren't going to be in an intellectual setting where the facts stand on their own merit.

Bernie for instance for all his faults was a charasmatic figure who captured the minds of a young generation of voters, similar to how Obama did. Even Hillary's most ardent supporters though would have to admit that when it came to her though, there was always something a bit fugazi about her. But she sold enough people on the idea that Bernie was too "pie in the sky" of a thinker to be a realistic candidate in a general election against a normal conservative candidate. Trump similarly stood out amongst his co-candidates because everyone else was the same cookie-cutter politician and Trump represented something outside the mold. It didn't matter that Trump didn't have any actual plans of substance. All his platform had to be was "look at how different I am from these jokers?" and play to base emotions of nationalism to get his way to the top. And now look where we are.

Anyone who tries to fight Trump on the stock market is immediately going to fail in whatever conversation they're having because the people who are just barely paying attention will say "well the numbers are higher than where Obama was and if the stock market is doing well everything must be" without realizing the fact that the stock market is not the economy. They'll buy into big news conferences or press releases where companies claim to keep businesses in the US or give away $1000 to each employee, then undercut those advances by laying off workers or going back on their word to not move. There's always facts hidden below the surface that blow up the integrity of the points made in favor of the Trump zeitgeist. The problem is that you have to try and force people to be objective and look beyond the pomp and circumstance to see what's festering underneath.

And when we live in a post-truth climate where everything short of Fox News' attempt at being State TV is going to be hand-waived away as "fake news" the cards are already going to be stacked against you.
 
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I mean.. that's what free speech ultimately is.

Free speech includes hate speech, it includes nonsense, it includes blasphemy and dissent. It includes any kind of thought or idea, for better or worse.

Unfortunately this means bigots and xenophobes do have a voice. As crappy as it is, when you suppress speech you breed more serious and dark actions. With open discourse, those who are unstable or delusional are free to expose themselves for all to see. When you try and drive that underground, they will find other ways of expressing themselves, and they generally aren't peaceful.

I think you are confusing free speech - which is generally in terms of freedom to speak full stop Vs being allowed platforms to do so - like TV spots, college campus seminars, coverage on newspaper columns, etc

Unless I'm wrong, what this thread is about is the fight against the likes of colleges and media institutions and social media platforms, mostly private companies, allowing hate speech and alt right/fascist rhetoric and arguments to circulate or be validated.

Also there is no protection of hate speech in the UK as far as I'm aware, I'm aware the constitution allows this for some reason
 

Straight Edge

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Alt-righters say a lot of shit. Their stance on supremacists and neo-nazis is disingenuous at best; complete lies at worst.



Them being confronted on the street is well documented but not sure what you're implying by confronting them in their homes. Can't break into someone's house and I don't think nazis advertise where they live.

As for talk without action: we just had a bunch of them walk through a town with torches yelling, "Jews will not replace us", then holding rallies where an anti-nazi protester was run over and killed. You can also search for and refer to the, "The Alt Right is killing people" thread which was recently created.

Fuck anyone and everyone who identifies with the alt-right and certainly fuck all nazis and nazi sympathizers. They have nothing to offer the modern world and the mere fact they're "human beings" means fuck all. They should be afraid to espouse their views in public. Stick to 4Chan and leave it at that.

If someone has a trump sticker on their car or a sign in their yard you know they are Nazis. If you're afraid to risk your freedom to do what's right then you're just as bad as them.
 

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If someone has a trump sticker on their car or a sign in their yard you know they are Nazis. If you're afraid to risk your freedom to do what's right then you're just as bad as them.
You first lol. What do you suggest we do to someone who has a Trump sign in their yard?
 

RedMercury

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If someone has a trump sticker on their car or a sign in their yard you know they are Nazis. If you're afraid to risk your freedom to do what's right then you're just as bad as them.
It sounds like you are proposing breaking into someone's home and killing them, can I get some clarification on exactly what you are talking about doing in their homes (please be specific)? What good does someone going to jail for many years (and making a martyr for the right) do for the cause at this point in time when the right has the police, military, and government on lock? One act against another civilian is not much compared to many years protesting.
 

Deleted member 888

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A large problem these days with ideologies and ideas is they are easily accessible and "immortal". The internet allows videos, text and other content all easy to reach and engage with. Good education in schools really needs to keep stepping it up to try and engage with the youth. Once the youth turn into young adults, it becomes increasingly more difficult to attempt to deradicalise/re-educate anyone who goes off the deep end.

One thing extremists have learned to do really well is observe the laws of the country they are in, and stay within those laws to make sure they remain protected to have their freedoms. Occasionally, they will break laws and do heinous things, which is when we have to hope they get punished. Preferably stopped in advance but we don't always manage that. We have got a long-term battle of ideas going on right now, with trying to challenge worrying trends in societies.

The OP has made a good effort to create a topic here, and apart from the above the only other thing I can add as a personal observation/frustration, is within such debates like this it can get mildly annoying how the left becomes a punching bag for some of the more "testing" things that get said. Especially guilt by association campaigns over pretty inconsequential things. I mean, we've got whiffs of books are alt-right in here, presumably to start warning anyone reading them/setting them up for side-eye. Then we've got Joe Rogan is not a Nazi. Probably. Probably? Cmon.

At least Louis Theroux was mentioned who is a saint, and this is worth watching - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0395644/

Speaking of Rogan and Theroux, this is great watch

 

Lime

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The underlying point remains valid. I think we're in a moment of transition, where values are (rightfully) updated and changed on almost a daily basis, but we're not really giving people time to adapt and interiorize those values. You can't ask a 45-50 years old person to go from "maybe those homosexuals I've always been told were deviants aren't actually bad people" to "transgendered individuals should be considered the same as cisgendered ones and actually receive help in order to tackle the issues their biological nature causes them instead of being vilified for it" in a matter of minutes. What we do right now is take a person, even someone who's striving to be one of the "good guys" and scan everything they've said and thought in the last 10 years, and if anything blips red we're ready to espunge them from the club and label them whatever buzzword fits (fascist/mysoginist/transphobic/etc).

The world is changing, and it's changing for the best, but we need to give some time for people to adapt. We can't label anyone who's transitioning toward the new, better values but isn't there yet or that in the past had ideas that conflict with these values instantly as a monster or an undesireable because that basically equates to pushing them in the arms of those guys who will tell them they were right all along.

There's an easy way to counter this, of course. Don't be a dick when people are being approached this way. Don't immediately jump to calling people who are experimenting with these ideas nazis or nazi supporters or nazi enablers or whatever. Engage with them and discuss with them why what they're being told is wrong - or encourage them to work to that point themselves, which is more likely to be productive. The strategy only works because the allies and friends of the target are attacking and beleaguering them. Take that away and it falls to pieces.

"Just wait for people to come around" and "be nice while being in fear of your life" are not easy demands to meet. You're asking too much of those of us who are targeted by the nazis, while asking very little of those who just need to spend a little bit of energy in listening to us.
 

4859

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So wait, it's not only "the first post" where I quoted you, it's the very post I literally talked about and asked how is it "hurling abuse"?. Why are you telling me to go back to the post I was literally telling you about on my post? Is this really the level of discourse with you? I asked you to explain how it is "hurling abuse" and you do nothing but "hey here's the exact post you literally were posting about".
Stop running away and tell me why pointing out that you were misconstruing people statements and generalising is considered "abuse". I'm really, really curious. Ah, and I expect an actual argument, not just you linking me to the post again, the one I'm talking about right now.


The 'hurling abuse' accusations arent for you, its an attempt to get you banned by constantly saying you are attacking people or hurling abuse over and over again, and relying on moderators who don't have the time or the interest to look into what was actually said or done.

Its a tactic they talk about on their shitty chan and reddit sites, even have a stupid little pet name for it.... Though I cant remember it right now.
 

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Ok so your solution is to go in to people's houses because they have Trump signs on them and at least sucker punch them despite not even knowing if everyone in the household supports Trump? Lol, man I don't even know what to say to this lunacy.

For what it's worth I loved that Spencer got punched and fully support it.
 

spam musubi

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Their 'lies' are already on youtube, and Jordan has millions of followers. I am one of them. I sincerely believe the left doesn't want to debate him because they know they would lose. Simple as that.

BTW, Jordan says racists waving racist flags are useless miserable beings and they should grow up.

Because there isn't a point to debating him. He is a sophist and he argues in bad faith and obscurantism. All that would ever achieve would be to make him look good.
 

Bjones

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If someone has a trump sticker on their car or a sign in their yard you know they are Nazis. If you're afraid to risk your freedom to do what's right then you're just as bad as them.


You are advocating going to peoples homes and fighting them or worse then declaring it the right thing to do ?

That is fascism in a nutshell and It still wouldn't stop nazism.

So while you do that some of us will help the less fortunate, donate our time and money while hopefully changing people views in the process. It's not as flashy or quick but it's long lasting. Change a persons beliefs and you change the world. tm
 

Straight Edge

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Ok so your solution is to go in to people's houses because they have Trump signs on them and at least sucker punch them despite not even knowing if everyone in the household supports Trump? Lol, man I don't even know what to say to this lunacy.

For what it's worth I loved that Spencer got punched and fully support it.

I didn't say break into anyone's house. I responded to someone who said they didn't know where the Nazis lived. You can drive down the street in anytown USA and easily find confederate flags, MAGA hats, and Trump signs.
 

Ketkat

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If someone has a trump sticker on their car or a sign in their yard you know they are Nazis. If you're afraid to risk your freedom to do what's right then you're just as bad as them.

Just because someone supports Trump doesn't automatically make them a Nazi. You can not like them for supporting Trump, but calling them a Nazi flat out is a bit far
 

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Straight Edge you seem as if you're trolling to do that whole "every Conservative is a Nazi so everyone should be punched in public" thing that then has moderators scrambling to say "we don't support political violence" as the internet starts shouting this forum advocates for assaulting every and any Trump supporter.
 

RedMercury

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Did I post why I've been locked up before?
Dude, we all know what you're talking about, we're not stupid. You are advocating going into the homes of Nazis and physically harming them, or at least asking why "we" aren't doing that if we think they are so bad. But you keep tip-toeing around that, I assume because it's against the rules here, which it should be for good reason. And that's fine, but if you're afraid to lose access to a video game forum for the cause you don't get to infer anything about anyone who would refuse to go into someone's home and harm them.
 

Straight Edge

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Straight Edge you seem as if you're trolling to do that whole "everyone is a Nazi so everyone should be punched in public" thing that then has moderators scrambling to say "we don't support political violence" as the internet starts shouting this forum advocates for assaulting every and any Trump supporter.

No not everyone is a Nazi. All Trump voters are cool with white supremacy and tacitly support it at the very least.
 

4859

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OP Corporatism is also something you should look into and be aware of, as its a large part of the fascist and alt right movements. In particular they seek our and appropriate corporate mascots or markets, and go crazy worshipping the corporations, and defending them from 'attacks', particularly certain movies, comic books, and of course, videogames.

This stems from Mussolini's fascist philosophies, which many western fascist incorporate (Which is why you see the italy fascist symbol, the fasces on so many makeshift shields and shit at alt right rallies.)

Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power. -Mussolini

No, not this one, this one is actually a fake quote attributed to Mussolini, and is a favourite decoy of the alt right and fascists, as merely googling it will bring up toooooons of alt right and 'libertariens' using attacking this straw man for cover.

The real quopte is this:
Corporatism is the corner stone of the Fascist nation, or better still, the Fascist nation is corporative or it is not fascist. -Mussolini

Corporate worship is a gateway to this shit, and you can see it in how they handle talking about their favourite corporations and 'defending them', they straight up use tactics out of the alt right playbook. It is no coincidence gamergate rose out of this.
 

Jersey_Tom

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I didn't say break into anyone's house. I responded to someone who said they didn't know where the Nazis lived. You can drive down the street in anytown USA and easily find confederate flags, MAGA hats, and Trump signs.

It's just not that simple and I think taking that sort of mindset is immediately setting up a wall and play into an us vs them mentality that eventually leads nowhere.

As much as certain people would like to hand-waive a "not all x" argument away, the argument of "all x are y" insinuation is dangerous and unhelpful. Some people are simply taken for a ride and are sold a bag of goods. I tend to view most of the people who support Trump as people who were swindled on the idea and promise that he'd act like an adult in office or that he is a strong businessman who actually knows a thing or two about the economy and that he legit cares about the troops. Because as goofy as some of the shit he does to try and sell people on those feelings are, the sad truth is that it works. And people will eat it up to a certain point, but hey, who really wants to be wrong right? That's why you see people make the "do you really think Hillary would have been any better?" argument because it's more of an attempt to convince themselves they made the right choice as opposed to convincing you it was. By flat out calling that person a Nazi you're kind of cutting yourself off at the knees by coming off as an unreasonable reactionist yourself.
 

Straight Edge

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Oct 27, 2017
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Dude, we all know what you're talking about, we're not stupid. You are advocating going into the homes of Nazis and physically harming them, or at least asking why "we" aren't doing that if we think they are so bad. But you keep tip-toeing around that, I assume because it's against the rules here, which it should be for good reason. And that's fine, but if you're afraid to lose access to a video game forum for the cause you don't get to infer anything about anyone who would refuse to go into someone's home and harm them. And I'll say it, I don't believe you went to jail for punching a Nazi. If I'm wrong, I apologize, but I don't believe you after reading your posts here.

Dude I didn't say break into anyone's house . I did make a motherfucker take down a confederate flag off his flag pole last Fourth of July though.