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https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-fcc-can-save-the-open-internet-1511281099

Article blocked by pay wall but mashable annotates it here:

http://mashable.com/2017/11/21/net-neutrality-repeal-ajit-pai-op-ed/#3pIkdJfXKiqV

Not sure if this is the full article, but I've pieced the snippets together below:

How the FCC Can Save the Open Internet
We should undo the Obama administration's rules that regulate the web like a 1930s utility.
By
Ajit Pai
Nov. 21, 2017 11:18 a.m. ET

As millions flocked to the web for the first time in the 1990s, President Clinton and a Republican Congress decided "to preserve the vibrant and competitive free market that presently exists for the Internet." In the Telecommunications Act of 1996, the government called for an internet "unfettered by Federal or State regulation." The result of that fateful decision was the greatest free-market success story in history.

Encouraged by light-touch regulation, private companies invested over $1.5 trillion in nearly two decades to build out American communications networks. Without having to ask anyone's permission, innovators everywhere used the internet's open platform to start companies that have transformed how billions of people live and work.

But that changed in 2014. Just days after a poor midterm election result, President Obama publicly pressured the Federal Communications Commission to reject the longstanding consensus on a market-based approach to the internet. He instead urged the agency to impose upon internet service providers a creaky regulatory framework called "Title II," which was designed in the 1930s to tame the Ma Bell telephone monopoly. A few months later, the FCC followed President Obama's instructions on a party-line vote. I voted "no," but the agency's majority chose micromanagement over markets.

This burdensome regulation has failed consumers and businesses alike. In the two years after the FCC's decision, broadband network investment dropped more than 5.6%—the first time a decline has happened outside of a recession. If the current rules are left in place, millions of Americans who are on the wrong side of the digital divide would have to wait years to get more broadband.

The effect has been particularly serious for smaller internet service providers. They don't have the time, money or lawyers to cut through a thicket of complex rules. The Wireless Internet Service Providers Association, which represents small fixed wireless companies that generally operate in rural America, found that more than 80% of its members "incurred additional expense in complying with the Title II rules, had delayed or reduced network expansion, had delayed or reduced services and had allocated budget to comply with the rules." They aren't alone. Other small companies have told the FCC that these regulations have forced them to cancel, delay or curtail upgrades to their fiber networks.

The uncertainty surrounding the FCC's onerous rules has also slowed the introduction of new services. One major company reported that it put on hold a project to build out its out-of-home Wi-Fi network partly because it wasn't sure if the FCC would approve of its business model. Nineteen municipal internet service providers—that is, city-owned nonprofits—told the [FCC] this past May that they "often delay or hold off from rolling out a new feature or service because we cannot afford to deal with a potential complaint and enforcement action.

This is why I'm proposing today that my colleagues at the Federal Communications Commission repeal President Obama's heavy-handed internet regulations. Instead the FCC simply would require internet service providers to be transparent so that consumers can buy the plan that's best for them. And entrepreneurs and other small businesses would have the technical information they need to innovate. The Federal Trade Commission would police ISPs, protect consumers and promote competition, just as it did before 2015. Instead of being flyspecked by lawyers and bureaucrats, the internet would once again thrive under engineers and entrepreneurs.

The FCC will vote on this proposal on Dec. 14. If it passes, Washington will return to the bipartisan approach that made the internet what it is today. Consumers will benefit from greater investment in digital infrastructure, which will create jobs, increase competition, and lead to better, faster, and cheaper internet access—especially in rural America.

In the next few weeks, anti-market ideologues are going to try to scare the American people. They'll argue that government control is the only way to assure a free and open internet. They'll assert that repealing utility-style regulation will destroy the internet as we know it and harm innovation. They'll allege that free speech online is at risk. Don't fall for the fearmongering.

We have proof that markets work: For almost two decades, the U.S. had a free and open internet without these heavy-handed rules. There was no market failure before 2015. Americans weren't living in a digital dystopia before the FCC seized power. To the contrary, millions enjoyed an online economy that was the envy of the world. They experienced the most powerful platform ever seen for permission-less innovation and expression. Next month, I hope the FCC will choose to return to the common-sense policies that helped the online world transform the physical one.

Mr. Pai is the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission.

I love the one line that implies he's fighting for small businesses
 

Virtua Saturn

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I don't know why he even bothers. He could hold up double middle fingers live on TV without saying a word and it wouldn't change a thing.
 

Rebel1

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TheJackdog

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funny how much he mentions protection and consumers but makes no mention of the 22 million who wrote in saying dont fucking do this
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Pai is one of the worst people in the world. He's a bought and sold puppet that will retire to absolute luxury after harming the entire planet.
 

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Whatever hell exists is too good for this dishonest slimeball. It sickens me how shamelessly he lies when his only real motive is lining his own greedy pockets.
 

Hero

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Fuck this guy and anyone that tries to support this. I'm tired of fighting this battle every couple of years.
 

SteveWinwood

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USA USA USA
He doesn't list a single example of what the "harmful" legislation he's repealing is or does. There's a laughably out of context number about broadband decreasing (outside a recession? wat). Its all just trash about free markets and entrepreneurship. This was written by a junior in highschool who just finished an Ayn Rand book.
 
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Verizon Comcast And others will probably buy him the most expensive steak dinner on the planet after this. Is it wrong I hope he chokes on it?
 

Zaph

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Ajit's anti-Net Neutrality argument being locked behind a paywall largely subscribed to by the 1%? Political satire is truly dead
 
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I think there was a 5:1 ratio of business:consumer concerns in that entire spineless word vomit. I live in rural America. I know how hard it is to find quality ISPs. I can't imagine how much worse it will get if providers are given carte blanche in deciding who gets what. The FTC will do nothing to "police" ISPs since they'll be in their fucking back pocket. Fuck Ajit and his Jerry Lewis Nutty Professor looking ass.
 

Brandson

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Correlating net neutrality to broadband or fibre optic deployment is faulty logic. You're never going to get blanket rural broadband without government subsidies, or some startup covering the world with wifi from space.

In a free market, of course some ISPs will throttle whatever they want, prioritize their own services over competitors, implement totally insufficient bandwidth caps, and potentially filter certain content entirely (Torrents, blockchains). This is entirely predictable. The government is supposed to protect the people from such monopolistic, anti-competitive, anti-consumer practices. It's not like most municipalities are physically or legally able to build competing networks as an alternative.
 

HideyoshiJP

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I get irrationally angry when I hear the double-speak term "light-touch regulation." This whole thing pisses me off. These companies have pocketed so much money from subsidies paid by taxpayers. We have got nothing in return. I can't believe how "stifled" they've been with all our heavy regulations.
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Darryl M R

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Yeah pretty much. Some of them even claimed 4chan wouldn't be treated any differently because Trump knew that /pol/ was instrumental in getting him elected and would make an exception for them.

Holy shit what a bunch of fucking morons

I would like to know the ratio of morons to "trolls"

I just can't believe that stupidity can fester with a visible online community without a large portion of people just fanning the flames for entertainment.

Regardless both groups are trash people and chan should have been closed down a long time ago.
 

Easy_D

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lmao

lolwat? What planet is he living on? A lot of the rest of the world laughs at our internet, even some third world countries.
Yep. I mean of course regulating ISPs to a degree is good, that's why our Internet is so damn good and competitive in Sweden, lot's of cities own their own fiber network and as a result any ISP can deliver services through the same network. Which itself results in competitive pricing.

Also lmao in general at data caps for wired connections.

I'm sorry. :(
 

MrRob

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I would like to know the ratio of morons to "trolls"

I just can't believe that stupidity can fester with a visible online community without a large portion of people just fanning the flames for entertainment.

Regardless both groups are trash people and chan should have been closed down a long time ago.

 

Pilgrimzero

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All that read to me as "ISPs make more money at the public's expense"

They already make a ton of money while giving us slow net speeds etc. Paying them more won't make them sudddenly benevolent.
 

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I would like to know the ratio of morons to "trolls"

I just can't believe that stupidity can fester with a visible online community without a large portion of people just fanning the flames for entertainment.

Regardless both groups are trash people and chan should have been closed down a long time ago.
Holy shit what a bunch of fucking morons

I think a decent chunk of them are shitposts and Russian trolls, but the rest are people that genuinely really derive meaning and self-worth from this stuff. Of course telling someone that they are superior inherently, that they are part of a glorious revolution, that they are draining the swamp and making their country absolutely great again, is an attractive and romantic proposal. They can't make any concessions to the enemy or admit mistakes because for a lot of them this is an all-consuming righteous war to defend their way of life and a revolution to fight against the changing tides of the country. It's not politics and simple differences of opinion anymore - they don't argue on policy, they argue based on whose policy it is. It's people deriving their self-worth based on being fed lies of superiority and eating themselves alive to fuck with the other.
 

Foffy

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This awful, awful shill.

Like, how can anyone take a word from his mouth as anything other than coded language?
 

gozu

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America
Ajit Pai said:
There was no market failure before 2015.

Yes there was market failure. I only have one broadband provider at my address in a big city. One! I should have 4 or 5 at a minimum for competition to flourish. Other parts only have 2 providers. Comcast and AT&T. That's it. I pay $120 for 75/10 Mbps internet (unlimited). In France, I could get 1000/200 Mbps for $35. Less than a third of the price for over 20 times the speed.

Comcast charges $300 with a 2 year contract + installation fees for 2Gbps fiber in my area. Let's say $350/month total. That's 5 times more expensive, bit for bit than what's available in a similarly sized french city. No 2 year contract required either.

That's what monopolies and duopolies will get you. I used to lord my 3Mbps connection over my french parisian friend's paltry 0.5 Mbps 13 years ago. Now I have to envy him? This is not the american way goddamnit!

Ajit Pai said:
Americans weren't living in a digital dystopia before the FCC seized power.

We ARE living in a digital dystopia. here is but one small example:

I had to pay internet overages for going over 1TB of data. My internet is supposed to be unlimited. Competition in the mobile space brought unlimited internet back. And that's in a medium (wireless) which actually has real physical limits as all the signals have to coexist in one space. Fiber has no such limits, you can always lay down more cables when you reach your multiplexing knowledge limits. People don't realize it because 4K isn't ubiquitous yet. Starting next year, 1TB/month will be insufficient for a family and that will mean upwards of $50 extra a month per customer for Comcast. The pot is boiling slowly and we are boiling with it.

I bet many of you could come up with other damning examples, worse than mine.

There is a reason why these big ISPs rank at the bottom of customer satisfaction surveys. People know they're being treated as marks, not as valued customers. That's what monopolies and duopolies will get you.

This is a brazen theft of incredible, mind-blowing proportions. The fact that the Ajit Pai and Trump ignored 95% of public opinion is just the "Fuck you" cherry on-top.

Ajit Pai is a sickening disgrace and an enemy of the american people. I wish him the worst. Trump needs no further commentary.
 
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Close friend of mine is all against Net Neutrality and he's a classic 4chan lurker/poster, so not surprising to hear that that's where this is coming from. I try to listen to his points about 'competition' and the 'marketplace' and his arguments just come across as so weak that he just seems like a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian, which is essentially those guys schtick and it's actively fucking our country up and it's legitimately infuriating.

"No moderation and full anonymity foster the best ideas/content." My fucking ass.
 

Wilsongt

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Someone will be making a lot of money with the end of net neutrality.

And it isn't the average American.

Fuck this noise.
 

PepsimanVsJoe

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Nothing but bullshit.

Ajit Pai is trying to wrest away the "Most Hated Man in America" trophy from Donald Trump.
 

Darryl M R

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I think a decent chunk of them are shitposts and Russian trolls, but the rest are people that genuinely really derive meaning and self-worth from this stuff. Of course telling someone that they are superior inherently, that they are part of a glorious revolution, that they are draining the swamp and making their country absolutely great again, is an attractive and romantic proposal. They can't make any concessions to the enemy or admit mistakes because for a lot of them this is an all-consuming righteous war to defend their way of life and a revolution to fight against the changing tides of the country. It's not politics and simple differences of opinion anymore - they don't argue on policy, they argue based on whose policy it is. It's people deriving their self-worth based on being fed lies of superiority and eating themselves alive to fuck with the other.
It's amazing. Hopefully one day a documentary is released.

If you have so much time and energy to post the vile and stupid things they do on the daily then your life isn't worth being self defended.

I agree it is an attractive and romantic proposal, but only to idiots that have nothing worth living for. These are the type of people that let their life turn miserable because they do not have the self awareness to acknowledge a failure and learn from it. You didn't get into college right away, you didn't get that promotion, you didn't get the person you wanted to be with, or whatever else it may be--they will just point fingers to others and blame them.

Losers aren't born they are self made.
 

PeskyToaster

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Aren't some of the most powerful companies in the world against this? None of the sites like Google, Facebook, or Netflix want to be subservient to the telecom companies.
 

J-Wood

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This guy is a fucking idiot. He still trying to relate the internet to how it was when it first started, compared to how it is now. ISPs are now media companies, and you have tons of streaming video and content. Fucking clueless.