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donny2112

Member
Oct 27, 2017
620
ITT, predict for the NPD February 2020 retail period (February 2-29, 2020) for U.S. hardware sales.

What is NPD?: NPD is one of the main retail tracking firms in the U.S., and also about the only one who specifically goes into detail on video games sales. This thread is to predict what the NPD hardware sales will be for the most recent month. NPD months are defined by the National Retail Federation (find calendar links here).
What do I win?: Bragging rights. We also keep track of predictions over the year and have an annual contest using "points." Still just bragging rights, but SalesEra followers have fun seeing how well we can do with it. See here for details on the point calculations.
Why are there still predictions when official NPD numbers are not released?
Trust me said:
To have fun? To share thoughts and speculation with a like mined group of people? To be able to communicate directly with individuals who study this industry for a living?
ethomaz said:
Since 2010 I guess we don't get official numbers anymore... that doesn't mean we don't get the numbers.

The ranking and results are based in real numbers.

Prediction entries must be in and finalized by 8 p.m. EST on Tuesday, March 10th. Format use is required if you want your entry counted.

NPD Coverage: February 2-29, 2020 (4 weeks, January was 4 weeks)
NPD Results Release: Thursday, March 12 @ 4 p.m. EST (public thread posted later @ ~6:30 p.m. EST)

Format:

[NSW]
[PS4]
[XB1]

Good/Bad Formatting
Code:
Good              Bad
[XB1] 100K      [XB1] 100 thousand
[XB1] 100,000   [XB1] 100.000
[XB1] 100000    [XB1] - 100000


Potential hardware impacting events in February:
Usual Feb. bump from tax returns

Prediction Format: (repeating to emphasize to use this format)

[NSW]
[PS4]
[XB1]

January's #1 Predictor (results not public)
[NSW] 275k
[PS4] 120k
[XB1] 60k

January 2019 NPD thread
February 2019 NPD thread

NPD Prediction Thread Archive
 

Sal_S

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,476
Hamilton
Wow I was 30th by points but tied for 17th in units last month đŸ˜®
I'm waiting for welfare's post before making a prediction
 

Peek-a-boo!

Member
Oct 30, 2017
4,207
Woodbridge
Woof, January was super bad for Xbox One, especially in its strongest region (probably sold less than 100K worldwide), and very middling for PlayStation 4 — isn't this the lowest recorded number yet in the US of A?

I really overestimated the Switch numbers last month so, regardless of the tax returns bump, I shall use the same number I predicted for the Switch last month for February:

[NSW] 345K
[PS4] 174K
[XB1] 103K

p.s. I am amazed that the PS4 still goes for $299, almost three years after the last official price-cut!
 
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Welfare

Prophet of Truth - You’re my Numberwall
Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,917
[NSW] 333K
[PS4] 141K
[XB1] 130K

Hello! This wall of numbers will be comparing the weekly average of January and February. Normally this is a simple month to month comparison as both January and February have 4 weeks, except every five to six years January becomes a 5 week month. I have gathered high selling software and any hardware deals for February to help show how the month might be impacted. You can go to previous prediction threads for the previous month's potential impacts.

Code:
2013

Xbox 360 January: 281K / 5 = 56,200
Xbox 360 February: 302K / 4 = 75,500

Weekly average +34%

PS3 January: 201K / 5 = 40,200
PS3 February: 262K / 4 = 65,500

Weekly average +63%

Notable Events in February

Xbox 360
Tax Returns

Dead Space 3 [4 weeks]
Aliens: Colonial Marines [3 weeks]
Crysis 3 [2 weeks]
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance [2 weeks] [>70k]

PS3
Tax Returns

Dead Space 3 [4 weeks]
Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time [4 weeks]
Aliens: Colonial Marines [3 weeks]
Crysis 3 [2 weeks]
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance [2 weeks] [>130k]

Code:
2014

Xbox 360 January: 48K / 4 = 12,000
Xbox 360 February: 114K / 4 = 28,500

Weekly average +138%

Xbox One January: 143K / 4 = 35,750
Xbox One February: 258K / 4 = 64,500

Weekly average +80%

PS3 January: 54K / 4 = 13,500
PS3 February: 102K / 4 = 25,500

Weekly average +89%

PS4 January: 271K / 4 = 67,750
PS4 February: 269K / 4 = 67,250

Weekly average -1%

Notable Events in February

Xbox One
Tax Returns

The LEGO Movie Videogame [4 weeks]
Thief [1 week]
Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare [1 week]

PS4
Tax Returns / Supply constrained: Demand > Supply

The LEGO Movie Videogame [4 weeks]
Thief [1 week]

Xbox 360
Tax Returns

The LEGO Movie Videogame [4 weeks]
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII [3 weeks]
Thief [1 week]

PS3
Tax Returns

The LEGO Movie Videogame [4 weeks]
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII [3 weeks]
Thief [1 week]

Code:
2015

Xbox One January: 150K / 4 = 37,500
Xbox One February: 276K / 4 = 69,000

Weekly average +84%

PS4 January: 189K / 4 = 47,250
PS4 February: 342K / 4 = 85,500

Weekly average +81%

Notable Events in February

Xbox One
Tax Returns

Evolve [3 weeks]
Dragon Ball: Xenoverse [1 week]

PS4
Tax Returns

Evolve [3 weeks]
Order 1886 [2 weeks] [19XK]
Dragon Ball: Xenoverse [1 week]

Code:
2016

Xbox One January: 131K / 4 = 32,750
Xbox One February: 248K / 4 = 62,000

Weekly average +89%

PS4 January: 229K / 4 = 57,250
PS4 February: 405K / 4 = 101,250

Weekly average +77%

Notable Events in February

Xbox One
Tax Returns

Name Your Game 500GB Bundle $349 [Forza 6/Tomb Raider/Gears UE/Rare Replay] [3 weeks]

Far Cry Primal [1 week] [157K]
Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 [3 weeks] [<97K]

PS4
Tax Returns

Far Cry Primal 1TB bundle $399 [1 week]

Street Fighter V [2 weeks] [~207K]
Far Cry Primal [1 week] [206K]
Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 [3 weeks] [<193K]

Code:
2017

Xbox One January: 158K / 4 = 39,500
Xbox One February: 215K / 4 = 53,750

Weekly average +36%

PS4 January: 211K / 4 = 52,750
PS4 February: 398K / 4 = 99,500

Weekly average +89%

Notable Events in February

Xbox One
Tax Returns / Earned-Income Tax Credit (EITC) and Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC) delayed to February 15

Price Cut $50 February 17th - February 25th [9 days] 500GB $249 / 1TB $299
Forza Horizon 3 500GB bundle $299 [3 weeks]
Halo Wars 2: Ultimate Edition 1TB bundle $349 [2 weeks]

For Honor [2 weeks]
Halo Wars 2 [1 week]

PS4
Tax Returns / Earned-Income Tax Credit (EITC) and Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC) delayed to February 15

PS4 500GB Price Cut $50 February 12th - February 25th [14 days] 500GB $249
Call of Duty Infinite Warfare Deluxe Edition Glacier White 500GB Bundle $299 [Walmart] [3 weeks]

Nioh [3 weeks]
For Honor [2 weeks]

Code:
2018 

Switch January: 275K / 5 = 55,000
Switch February: 279K / 4 = 69,750

Weekly average +27%

Xbox One January: 235K / 5 = 47,000
Xbox One February: 310K / 4 = 77,500

Weekly average +65%

PS4 January: 254K / 5 = 50,800
PS4 February: 363K / 4 = 90,750

Weekly average +79%

Notable Events in February

Switch
Tax Returns

Xbox One
Tax Returns

Price Cut $50 February 18th - March 3rd [14 days] 500GB $229 / 1TB $249
PUBG with every Xbox One X February 18th - February 24th [7 days]
PUBG 1TB Bundle $299 [2 weeks]

Kingdom Come Deliverance [3 weeks]

PS4
Tax Returns

GameStop Only: Trade in PS4/XB1/NSW and get up to $350 towards PS4 Pro. Offer valid 1/26/18 - 2/11/18 [9 days in January NPD / 8 days in February NPD]

Shadow of the Colossus [4 weeks]
Kingdom Come Deliverance [3 weeks]

Code:
2019

Switch January: 284K / 4 = 71,000
Switch February: 363K / 4 = 90,750

Weekly average +28%

Xbox One January: 101K / 4 = 25,250
Xbox One February: 225K / 4 = 56,250

Weekly average +123%

PS4 January: 195K / 4 = 48,750
PS4 February: 283K / 4 = 70,750

Weekly average +45%

Notable Events in February

Switch
Tax Returns

Switch + $35 eShop code Bundle $299 [3 weeks]

Xbox One
Tax Returns

Xbox One X Fallout 76 1TB Bundles $399 [February 2 - March 31]
Xbox One X Bundles $449 / Xbox One S Bundles $249 [February 17 - March 2] [2 weeks]

Xbox One X Metro Saga 1TB Bundle $499 [$449 during price cut]
Xbox One S 1TB Anthem Bundle $299 [$249 during price cut]

Anthem [2 weeks]
Crackdown 3 [3 weeks] 
Far Cry: New Dawn [3 weeks] 
Metro Exodus [3 weeks] 
Jump Force [3 weeks]
Dead or Alive 6 [1 week] 

PS4
Tax Returns

Anthem [2 weeks]
Far Cry: New Dawn [3 weeks] 
Metro Exodus [3 weeks] 
Jump Force [3 weeks]
Dead or Alive 6 [1 week]

Code:
2020 January Weekly Averages *Using #1 Predictor

Switch: 275K / 4 = 68,750
PS4: 120K / 4 = 30,000
Xbox One: 60K / 4 = 15,000

Notable Events in February

Switch
Tax Returns

Xbox One
Tax Returns

Xbox One X $349 [Jan 19 - Feb 16] [First 2 weeks in February NPD]

Xbox One S All-Digital Edition $199 / Xbox One S $249 / Xbox One X $299 [Feb 21 - Mar 7] [Last 2 weeks in February NPD]

PS4
Tax Returns

Notes
From one of the slowest months of the year to the (usually) biggest non holiday month of the year, February is a massive improvement over January, almost doubling sales. This is thanks to tax returns.

Xbox
The Xbox One has had strong surges in February compared to the massive drops in January from December. 2014 was helped due to a $499 console benefiting from tax returns compared to January, 2015 was helped from a late January price cut back to $349, and 2016 had the launch of the Name Your Game bundle where you could choose 1 of 4 different games at $349. 2017 was pretty weak with only a 36% increase despite the $50 price cut. The PS4 sold extremely well at the same time so it's possible that having less days at $249 is a reason for the under performance. The price cut also looked to have been a response to Sony's cut to begin with so there was little time for sales to be boosted. 2018 weekly average wasn't the highest, but the notable events helped it reach the highest total February sales for the platform all generation.

2019 turned out to be a big boost in sales compared to what should've been expected. A deep price cut for the Xbox One X to start the month and ending the month with Xbox One S price cuts, along with the massive amount of software releases boosted Xbox sales by more than double.

2020 kind of has that same strategy going for it, except there was no high profile software launch all month.To counter that though is the One X going all the way down to $299, lower than the holiday price cut of $349. With the generation coming to a close this year, and the terrible January 2020 result, price cuts alone might not be able to post a good result.

The Xbox One has so far averaged an increase of +80%, with a minimum of +36% (2017) and a maximum of +123% (2019).

Playstation
PS4 has a pretty clear outlier in 2014 as there were stock shortages for holiday 2013 and early 2014. Sales actually fell in February 2014 compared to every other console seeing a boost. Every year after that was much more reasonable and followed the XB1 in having around a +80% increase. PS4 peaked in 2017 thanks to a temporary price cut to $249 which was the most notable event to happen to the PS4 in February all generation.

2019 in comparison was not much to speak about, which sort of hinted at how the PS4 would perform overall in 2019. The lowest increase at +45%, with nothing besides a lot of software launches. January 2019 did end with Kingdom Hearts 3 so maybe that affected February, but it wouldn't be by the degree of moving 40% of February sales to January.

2020 has nothing for PS4. It's barren, thanks to the industry preparing for next gen this holiday. PS4 has been slowing down pretty heavily since the start of 2019, and nothing in February to stop the bleeding can't lead to a great result.

The PS4 has so far averaged an increase of +74%, with a minimum of +45% (2019) and a maximum of +89% (2017). This excludes the 2014 drop.

Nintendo
Switch also has nothing in February in 2020, but that's more understandable as March will have Animal Crossing. The platform has sold similar amounts for the past three January's, and the weekly average in 2018 and 2019 increased by an almost exact +27/+28%. Nowhere as high as the XB1 and PS4 increases, but that is because Switch has had significantly higher January sales than the other two. Following a similar +20-30% seems reasonable for Switch this year.

Recap
February is the third strongest selling month of the year behind November and December. Massive, almost doubling sales from January unless January was a 5 week month.

The biggest February ever recorded back in the 7th was the Wii with 753,000 back in 2009. Second biggest? Xbox 360 with 535,000 in 2011.

The biggest February ever recorded in the 8th is the PS4 with 404,900 in 2016. Second biggest? PS4 again with 398,000 in 2017.
 

slavesnyder

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,127
SlaveSnyder Media Corp.
well, the lack of discussion here is a bummer. just to put things right: i have a reason because i'm moving to a new apartment. internet working tonight for the first time, so for me, we're done. fuck putting together the kids' beds and wardrobes . what is your excuse?

the huge question will be if we see a big shift towards digital because people just don't leave the house any more, afraid of touching stuff in crowded stores others grabbed before with hands full of snod? will this in the end result in the return of kinekt, as the only corona-safe way to play? do your job, greenberg. this is a gift!
 

julian

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,798
well, the lack of discussion here is a bummer. just to put things right: i have a reason because i'm moving to a new apartment. internet working tonight for the first time, so for me, we're done. fuck putting together the kids' beds and wardrobes . what is your excuse?

the huge question will be if we see a big shift towards digital because people just don't leave the house any more, afraid of touching stuff in crowded stores others grabbed before with hands full of snod? will this in the end result in the return of kinekt, as the only corona-safe way to play? do your job, greenberg. this is a gift!
The lack of activity is a downward spiral. I didn't even see this thread until just now.

[NSW] 325K
[PS4] 127K
[XB1] 112K
 

slavesnyder

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,127
SlaveSnyder Media Corp.
The lack of activity is a downward spiral. I didn't even see this thread until just now.

[NSW] 325K
[PS4] 127K
[XB1] 112K
i bookmarked donny's archive, so when a new moth's thread pops up, i'm warned.
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Oct 25, 2017
15,172
We've only recently begun getting actual number estimates again so hopefully we go back into full speed this year, but yeah right now discussion of how this is gonna go about is sort of lost.

I do expect a larger emphasis when the chart comes out on digital placement for certain games, most certainly nintendo and other games with PC options that aren't listed. I don't think we'll see big deviations till March NPD though.

The only real question I got is if Ring Fit rises for February. Major importing from US to China and other Asian countries have depleted any online stock.
 

IronTed

One Winged Slayer
Member
Jun 6, 2019
1,435
well, the lack of discussion here is a bummer. just to put things right: i have a reason because i'm moving to a new apartment. internet working tonight for the first time, so for me, we're done. fuck putting together the kids' beds and wardrobes . what is your excuse?

the huge question will be if we see a big shift towards digital because people just don't leave the house any more, afraid of touching stuff in crowded stores others grabbed before with hands full of snod? will this in the end result in the return of kinekt, as the only corona-safe way to play? do your job, greenberg. this is a gift!

It is tragic. The irony is that in the Dec thread we got one of the biggest leaks in ages and no one cared anyway.

i bookmarked donny's archive, so when a new moth's thread pops up, i'm warned.
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This will be a place for regular NPD predictors to post to subscribe* to, so that they can keep up with new Prediction threads. Same was on old forum, so this is to replicate it here. Feel free to ignore this thread, unless you want to subscribe to it. (^_^) 2021 December November October...

otherwise, these threads get lost quicker than an indie game on the e-shop.

Everyone should do this.
 

julian

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,798
i bookmarked donny's archive, so when a new moth's thread pops up, i'm warned.
www.resetera.com

NPD Prediction Thread Archive

This will be a place for regular NPD predictors to post to subscribe* to, so that they can keep up with new Prediction threads. Same was on old forum, so this is to replicate it here. Feel free to ignore this thread, unless you want to subscribe to it. (^_^) 2021 December November October...

otherwise, these threads get lost quicker than an indie game on the e-shop.
Will do. Thanks
 
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donny2112

Member
Oct 27, 2017
620
ResetERA Aggregate Predictions - Feb-2020

1. NSW - 332K (stddev: 15K)
2. PS4 - 145K (stddev: 15K)
3. XB1 - 104K (stddev: 12K)

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Since not all the results are public, no numerical results are shown here. Also, the rankings are just a counter, so if two users are tied, it is not reflected in these results. To prevent backing out the numbers, only the monthly results for the top 3 predictors are shown. Annual results are still full results, though.

NPD Prediction Results - February 2020

Units

1. Welfare
2. Ryng
3. donny2112


Points
Code:
     February 2020                   Overall 2020 Top (2/2)
01.  Welfare                ---.--   Hammer24               ---.--
02.  Ryng                   ---.--   wilmbreak              ---.--
03.  donny2112              ---.--   Lelouch0612            ---.--
04.                         ---.--   Welfare                ---.--
05.                         ---.--   Myriotes               ---.--
06.                         ---.--   Kaveri                 ---.--
07.                         ---.--   Ryng                   ---.--
08.                         ---.--   donny2112              ---.--
09.                         ---.--   Sterok                 ---.--
10.                         ---.--   julian                 ---.--
11.                         ---.--   Piston                 ---.--
12.                         ---.--   James                  ---.--
13.                         ---.--   Xevross                ---.--
14.                         ---.--   jroc74                 ---.--
15.                         ---.--   slavesnyder            ---.--
16.                         ---.--   IronTed                ---.--
17.                         ---.--   Bitch Pudding          ---.--
18.                         ---.--   Fintendo               ---.--
19.                         ---.--   TurnoftheCentury       ---.--
20.                         ---.--   Darth Smurf X          ---.--
21.                         ---.--   KillerMan91            ---.--
22.                         ---.--   Astrogamer             ---.--
23.                         ---.--   Jeean                  ---.--
24.                         ---.--   Corporate Clown        ---.--
25.                         ---.--   Peek-a-boo!            ---.--
26.                         ---.--   Zedark                 ---.--
27.                         ---.--   Slarvax                ---.--
28.                         ---.--   El Manco               ---.--
29.                         ---.--   Pachter                ---.--
30.                         ---.--   score01                ---.--
31.                         ---.--   WestEgg                ---.--
32.                         ---.--   SinCItyAssassin        ---.--
33.                         ---.--   Andri                  ---.--
34.                         ---.--   Limabean01             ---.--
35.                         ---.--   neroxyr                ---.--
36.                         ---.--   DeuceGamer             ---.--
37.                         ---.--   404LinkNotFound        ---.--
38.                         ---.--   Sir Sonic              ---.--
39.                         ---.--   pitseleh               ---.--
40.                         ---.--   CosmicBolt             ---.--
41.                         ---.--   Menx64                 ---.--

Congratulations, Welfare! :D
 
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donny2112

Member
Oct 27, 2017
620
#1 Predictor, for reference.
[NSW] 333K
[PS4] 141K
[XB1] 130K

Since not all the results are public, this is a "Just for Fun" ranking. The way it works is that the #1 predictor for the month using the actual results is assumed to be 100% correct, and everyone else is measured accordingly. These results are not official and not used in the annual rankings. Since the real results can't be shown, these are a substitute to be used "Just for Fun." (^_^)

ResetERA "Just for Fun" Prediction Results - February 2020
Note: Uses #1 predictor as "truth" and measures everyone else relative to them.


1. Welfare - 0
2. donny2112 - 9,000
3. Myriotes - 19,000
4. Sterok - 26,000
4. WestEgg - 26,000
6. Hammer24 - 33,000
7. James - 39,000
7. SinCItyAssassin - 39,000
9. julian - 40,000
10. Astrogamer - 41,000
11. Ryng - 42,000
12. Xevross - 44,000
12. slavesnyder - 44,000
14. Kaveri - 48,000
14. TurnoftheCentury - 48,000
16. El Manco - 49,000
17. IronTed - 51,000
18. Darth Smurf X - 52,000
19. Fintendo - 54,000
19. jroc74 - 54,000
21. KillerMan91 - 56,000
22. Jeean - 61,000
22. Lelouch0612 - 61,000
22. Zedark - 61,000
25. Pachter - 64,000
26. Corporate Clown - 69,000
27. Bitch Pudding - 72,000
27. Peek-a-boo! - 72,000
29. Slarvax - 77,000
30. wilmbreak - 86,000
31. Piston - 104,000