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DBT85

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2023 - In brief
Max won nearly every race, everyone knew Max was going to win nearly every race. Crofty still tried to make it exciting. Perez won 2 and everyone thought he'd finally cracked it in what is now officially the most dominant car in F1 history, until he forgot how to drive and crashed into everyone or qualified well out of position every week.

Ferrari were the only other team to win a race and largely did fine but also just carried on doing Ferrari things. Sainz won Ferraris only race of the season and *checks notes* was promptly dropped for 2025.

Aston Martin turned up and gave everyone some hope that they had stolen the plans for the deathstar RedBull and after 8 races or so things were looking pretty good until Aston introduced an update that made the car...worse.

McLaren turned up for 2023 with the worst car on the grid and then went on a spiritual retreat only to return with clearly the second best car allowing Piastri to win an event (a Sprint Race) before Norris.

Mercedes continued to be lost in deep space but consistently getting points despite George doing everything he could to fuck everything up just to beat his team mate. Lewis then had a brainfade in Qatar and did a Perez trying to 3 wide into a 2 wide corner.

Everyone else was a bit shit with the saving grace being the great work done by Williams with its new Team Principal James Vowels and up and coming star Alex Albon who had some great drives.


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Calendar
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Teams and Driver Line-ups

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RedBull - Current World Drivers and Constructors champions, Red Bull have been fighting near the pointy end of the grid since 2009 when new rules drove them to 2nd in the Constructors table. They won their first WDC and WCC with Sebastian Vettel in 2010 and would go on to win 3 more consecutive titles before the 2014 rules change. Their only link on the grid is with little sister team Toro Rosso Alpha Tauri Racing Bulls. Max Verstappen is their latest Drivers champion winning the last 3 drivers championships. An excellent driver who has continually shown up his teammates, Max will hope to make it 4 championships in a row this season. His teammate is Sergio Perez who always promises to disappoint. Red Bull are estimated to have stopped developing their 2023 car early due to CFD restrictions for buying too many sandwiches, so could come out of the gate in 2024 with a few changes.

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Mercedes - Mercedes were the team to beat for 8 straight years but after being knocked firmly from their dominant perch in 2022, Mercedes have been all at sea since the new regulations came into effect. 2024 will see them go down a route more similar to everyone else on the grid after 2 failed years trying to do something different. It could bode well but they do start this process 1 or 2 years later than everyone else. They'll be looking to at least get a win as 2023 was the first season since 2012 Mercedes that they have not won a race. Sir Lewis Hamilton will end his tenure at Mercedes at the end of this season after joining in 2013. He heads to Ferrari and we are all still struggling to deal with it. George Russel will be looking to take charge after a bad 2023 season as he will likely be the defacto #1 driver next season. Mercedes supply aprts including engines to Aston Martin, Williams and McLaren.

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Ferrari - The team everyone has heard of. Taking part in every season since 1950 they are F1s biggest name, the team with the most wins, podiums, poles, fastest laps, points, constructors championships and drivers championships. Ferrari also supply power units and other parts to Alfa Romeo and Haas. Sadly for the loyal Tifosi, history is all they have really had to live on for much of the last 15 years since their last title in 2007. They came close in 2018, 2019 and 2022 looked promising as Ferrari started strongly and looked to have a good handle on the new regulations, however a series of catastrophic strategy calls, engine reliability and performance falling off of the pace of Red Bull led Ferrari to dispense with Mattia Binotto as Team Principal and replace him with Fred Vasseur from Alfa Romeo Sauber Audi. Vasseur is now in his second season as Team Principal and has made a few choice moves in the transfer market over the winter break. Charles Leclerc will partner Carlos Sainz for one last season before the latter is dispensed in favour of one Sir Lewis Hamilton for 2025 and beyond. Ferrari supply parts including Engines to Haas and Sauber.

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Mclaren - Another team with a lot of titles and race wins under its belt, another team that's been living off that history for longer than they'd like. Their last title came way back in 2008 (Hamilton's first) but since then they have struggled to put together a good chassis and engine at the same time as a good driver lineup. 2023 saw Mclaren start terribly but deliver an upgrade package to end all upgrade packages. It saw them have genuine chances at race wins and pole positions and people should be exicted to see what their talented duo of Lando Norris and Oscar Piastri can deliver this season.

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Aston Martin - With roots going back to Jordan Grand Prix (1991) this team is not new. After years of underinvestment and over delivering on a shoestring budget, the team went into administration in 2018 and was purchased by billionaire Lawrence Stroll and his consortium. Finally their brand new facilities are up and running including a new wind tunnel after years hot racking with Mercedes. Last season saw Aston start very strongly and look to be the only challenger to Red Bull and Max Verstappen with multiple podiums for Fernando Alonso, however a mid season update saw them fall down the grid and it took too long to come back. They should be able to make a good step in 2024 however will forever be hampered by their insistence on fielding the owners son in the second car who is simply not good enough to remain in F1.

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Alpine - Known as many names over the years, the Enstone team rebranded from Renault to their sports marque for the 2021 season. A team with its own trophy cabinet of titles over the years, it has been some time since they added a big one to it. Their fully French driver line-up of Pierre Gasly and Esteban Ocon is usually one to watch as they do not get on and there is always something going on that is pissing one of them off, often at 300kph. Alpine have a brand new 5 year plan to replace the old 5 year plan which replaced the old old 5 year plan. Expect mediocrity and prepare to be disappointed. Alpine supply no parts or engines to anyone. Nobody wants them.

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Williams - Williams are possibly the most supported 2nd team on the grid, certainly for British fans aged 30 and up. A major force in F1 since the teams founding in 1977 by the late Frank Williams the team has a wealth of titles and trophies under its belt but their last real notable success came all the way back in 1997. Since then the team has only flirted with the front of the grid in the early 00's during an engine partnership with BMW, and in the early V6 Hybrid Era where the overwhelming dominance of the Mercedes Power Unit covered a great many cracks in the Williams team that slowly exposed themselves over the next 8 years. The family exited the business in 2020, selling up to Dorilton Capital who agreed to keep the name and invest in the team. Their drivers are Alexander Albon who showed well in 2023 and Logan Sargeant who struggled to match Albons excellent drives in a sub par car. 7th in 2023 was their best constructors finish since 2017.

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Racing Bulls - This Red Bull sister team rebranded once again for the 2024 season. Traditionally a training ground for Red Bull drivers attempting to make the step up to the main team, but also recurring home for some of the same drivers who have been unable (for various reasons) to handle their business under the pressure at Red Bull. Typically run on a smaller budget than the main team, Alpha are not expected to upset the apple cart but have pulled some notable races out over the years. They made rapid progress at the end of 2023 after getting a raft of upgrades which were likely puchased as allowed directly from Red Bull, this saw them rise up to 8th in the standings. Danny Ricciardo will be partnering Yuki Tsunoda for the season* and will be looking to building on a promising enough return to F1.

*unless Helmut Marko doesn't like how Perez, Ricciardo or Tsunoda are performing

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Sauber - Their first entry to F1 came in 1993. In 465 entries in that time under many different names, they have only achieved 27 podiums and 1 victory, many coming in the short spell where they were owned by BMW in the late 00's. The teams F1 heritage is known more for giving the likes of Kimi Raikkonen his debut and most commonly finishing 7th or below in the constructors championship. Many notable drivers have taken the wheel in the teams history on the grid, but rarely in their prime and almost never in a car capable of anything noteworthy, save for the BMW years. 2023 saw Sauber drop to a lowly 9th in constructors. Valterri Buttas and Zhou Guanyu will hope for better this season. Can they improve? Can the team pick a name? There's your answer.

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Haas - The only American team and one that provides REAL value to F1 (See Andretti F1 Entry). A heavy reliance on parts from Ferrari, a team with 3 bases, one in North Carolina, the UK and Italy and minimal budget has seen the team finish 8th, 9th or 10th in 6 of its 7 seasons. Improvement seemed to be on the cards in 2018 when the team finished 5th in the constructors championship, but it was short-lived. Drivers Kevin Magnussen and Nico Hulkenberg are solid if nothing else but the teams talismanic and charismatic Team Principal Gunther Steiner did not have his contract renewed for 2024 after owner Gene Haas felt the team was not making progress. New TP Ayao Komatsu was the teams Trackside Engineering Director. He has said that Haas will be starting 2024 at the back of the grid. Value.


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F1TV

Live stream every track session for all GPs. Access all driver onboard cameras & team radios. Live stream F1, F2, F3 and Porsche Supercup. Watch archive races and F1 related shows.
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Things to watch
Grand Prix - The killer years - The gruesome story of Formula 1 and its history with safety from its inception through until 1994. When anyone says "ughhh safety" make them watch this.
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Grand Prix: The Killer Years - video Dailymotion

This documentary focuses on the dangers of the early Grand Prix racing and the actions that followed in order to make Formula 1 safer. Former drivers, mechanics, and journalists share their insights and experiences on a cruel era, that became the stepping stone for bettering F1 safety. In the...

The F1's official channel was dormant for years but now has lots of good videos, highlights and other stuff.

Netflix's Drive to Survive - Responsible for the latest influx of new fans to the sport, the behind the scenes info and oft reality show presentation has won over many fans. Be warned that there is some creative editing involved to add drama where none existed in reality.
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Rush - The story of the infamous title fight between the late James Hunt and Nikki Lauda. Just watch it, no spoils. It's mint.
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Senna - A documentary about the life and death of 3x WDC Ayrton Senna, the last driver to die at an F1 Event (Jules Bianchi would later go on to crash in Oct 2014 but not die from his injuries until July)
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Schumacher - Documentary using archival footage covering the career of 7 time WDC Michael Schumacher
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Williams - The Incredible True Story of Great Formula 1 Family

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Things to listen to
Shift+F1 is a podcast about speedy race cars hosted by Drew Scanlon, Danny O'Dwyer, and Rob Zacny.
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Shift+F1: A Formula 1 Podcast

Listen to Shift+F1: A Formula 1 Podcast on Spotify. Shift+F1 is a weekly podcast about Formula 1. New to the sport? Check out our Preseason Primer episode (#257)! Join us for race recaps, news from the wide world of racing, and the latest on Pastor Maldonado.

Missed Apex is a podcast hosted by "Spanners" with a rotating slew of regular and semi regular co hosts. Race review every Sunday with midweek episodes covering a range of subjects.
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Missed Apex Formula 1 Podcast

Listen to Missed Apex Formula 1 Podcast on Spotify. Formula 1 podcast. Spanners and Matt Trumpets lead a crew of varying competence through the joys of Formula1 #f1 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Tom Clarkson presents official Formula 1 interviews with F1 names past and present. Drivers, principals, engineers, designers and so on. Some great stories to be heard.
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F1: Beyond The Grid

Listen to F1: Beyond The Grid on Spotify. Formula 1's extraordinary stars slow down and open up, sharing untold stories and unrivalled insight. Tom Clarkson brings you revealing, feature-length interviews and amazing anecdotes from superstar drivers, team bosses, tech geniuses and racing...

F1 Nation - Damon Hill, Natalie Pinkham and Tom Clarkson
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F1 Nation

Listen to F1 Nation on Spotify. Race previews and reviews from the heart of the F1 Paddock. Tom Clarkson, Damon Hill, Natalie Pinkham, Pedro de la Rosa and big guests bring you expert F1 insight and behind-the-scenes stories. Hit the follow button for the fastest way to get new episodes every...

Fast and Loose: F1 - Will Arnett presents his commentary on F1 with Co Host Mika Häkkinen
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Fast & Loose: F1®

Listen to Fast & Loose: F1® on Spotify. If you’re just watching the race, you’re doing it wrong! Fast & Loose: F1® is where the world of Formula 1 collides with comedian Will Arnett for his hilarious and shockingly insightful commentary immediately following the checkered flag. After each race...

BBC F1: Chequered Flag
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F1: Chequered Flag

Listen to F1: Chequered Flag on Spotify. Formula 1 interviews, reaction and reports. 5 Live presents a round-up of the race weekend.

Unlapped - Katie George, Nate Saunders and Laurence Edmondson talk F1
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Unlapped

Listen to Unlapped on Spotify. Welcome to Unlapped, a weekly Formula One show from ESPN. Join Katie George, Nate Saunders and Laurence Edmondson as they geek out about F1 and the personalities behind it. Each Unlapped episode will serve both the new F1 fan and the seasoned motorhead. We’ve got...

The Red Flags - Matt and Brian talk about F1
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The Red Flags Podcast

Listen to The Red Flags Podcast on Spotify. Are you a "Drive to Survive" fan? Are you new to F1? Are you an established F1 fan who is looking to spice up your stale relationship with the sport? Do you look at what F1 for what it really is... a reality show at 200mph?! Then we're the podcast for...

For F1's Sake - Cheeka, Terry and Phill talk about every race
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For F1's Sake

Listen to For F1's Sake on Spotify. Once you've heard the facts, join Ollie, Terry and Phill for their review of every grand prix. Formula 1 needs fixing - and For F1's Sake are the ones to fix it. Definitely.

News and Views
Scarbs does lots of technical analysis of cars and rules to try and explain things to the rest of us

Autosport.com
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Fantasy F1 League

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F1ERA Discord


F1 Calender Reminder

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F1 Calendar 2024 - Formula One Race Times and Dates

Formula One Calendar for 2024 season with all F1 grand prix races, practice & qualifying sessions. Set reminders feature. All world timezones. Download or subscribe.

Other Motorsport
I have been reliably informed that other forms of motorsport do indeed exist. This was as much a shock to myself as it is to you.

Going forward ANY motor racing that isn't F1/2/3 can be discussed in the thread for other racing. However, any F2 or F3 content should still follow the spoiler note below as there are members who want to discuss the F1 race live but still not be spoiled on the F2 or F3 that they can watch later in the day.

If you like me only catch glimpses of stuff or just want to post in here that is fine, just please follow a 48 hour spoiler window and in the spoiler tag note what event the spoiler is for (without being dumb and putting "Romquist crashes out of the Wimbldeon 5000"). This goes for Indy, Touring, Rally, MotoGP, Lawnmower etc etc. If there is a thread for that event then maybe someone can post it in here at the time.

If you see something that shouldn't be in plain sight either PM the poster or report it. Don't assume everyone is just out to be a dick.
 
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hobblygobbly

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aww yis

my hope is lando/piastri comes 2nd/3rd in championship. real hopium levels are challenging max for the championship. mclaren looking good based on last year but you never know maybe the mclaren start of season is shit again

any way looking forward to the sandbagging on the test weekend, always a fun time with people making wild assumptions lol
 

Tbm24

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Oct 25, 2017
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Final year of huffing some Mercedes flavored hopium. Hope it serves me well before starting a Ferrari prescription.
 

Jay-T

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Oct 28, 2017
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The most exciting things will be the silly season for all those contracts that will expire this year
 
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I look forward to the best performing available driver at every race being linked with the Mercedes seat until the next race starts.
 

Aiii

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Oct 24, 2017
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Welcome to 2024…

Verstappen joined his Team Redline simracing team mates on a stream last night playing EAFC24. Asked about how his Red Bull's upcoming RB20, Verstappen replied "yeah, it's going to look exactly the same."

When team mate Luke Chance observed that "everyone else who has already released their cars doesn't have any paint on their cars," Verstappen replied, "I'm telling you, it's going to look exactly the same."

…Where everything will look exactly the same.

See ya in a year.

Good job on the OP.
 

Droopy_McCool

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Lets gooooooo Lewis. I hope he can at least win a race this season and sign off from Mercedes with at least some positive vibes. I wonder how much George Robot is going to push to be the number 1 driver this season with Lewis leaving
 
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DBT85

DBT85

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Oct 26, 2017
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Faux poll.

How long till the China race gets cancelled again.

Nice OT, as usual!



.. this Discord link seems to be broken ('invalid or expired'), at least on mobile, however.

Cheers.
Link updated. Apologies

If anyone gets a code for the fantasy league let me know.
 

Vic_Viper

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Oct 25, 2017
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è l'ora del martello!

The V-CARB reveal is today right
Edit: it's in Vegas tonight 9pm est
 

MrKlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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thanks for the OT OP.

Do teams generally run properly at testing to get the best data out that they can before the first real event, or is there an element of them being coy with certain aspects so other teams don't steal their homework in the single week between testing and first race?
 

MadMod

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Dec 4, 2017
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Lovely.

I am one of the "new fans", due to Drive to Survive.

I will smash the series out in 2 days like I usually do haha.
 

Joule

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Nov 19, 2017
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Let's gooo

Will pre season testing be on F1TV? Can't remember from previous years
 

Aiii

何これ
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Oct 24, 2017
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thanks for the OT OP.

Do teams generally run properly at testing to get the best data out that they can before the first real event, or is there an element of them being coy with certain aspects so other teams don't steal their homework in the single week between testing and first race?
Yes, they will run a proper test, but no it will not be representative. There are ways to properly test the entire car and not reveal your performance, such as running overweight by adding more fuel during a qualification simulation, or simply by tuning down the engine. The smaller teams will generally do glory runs (i.e. proper qualification runs), and the engine manufacturers like Mercedes will let Williams test the engine at full beans instead of their own team, etc.

Apart from other shenanigans. Mercedes, of course, massively messed up their 2022 preparation when they ran a fake car (with sidepods) during the first week of testing, only to find out during the second week when they "stunned the world with their incredible 'zeropods' invention" that it was utter shit and their computer simulation didn't work in the real world at all. Which is just a small example of the games teams play during testing week. Red Bull had a test a few years ago, i think 2021, where Max was on quick qualifying laps and then massively lifted off the throttle on the final straight only to come in a full second slower than the fastest time. A practice more commonly known as "sandbagging."
 

SP.

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Oct 27, 2017
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Great to see Silverstone get extended for 10 years. Now do the same for Monza, Spa, and COTA.
 

Aiii

何これ
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Oct 24, 2017
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So, over/under for RB winning everything until the summer break?
I would say 90% depending entirely on how tomorrow goes with regards to Horner. Of course Wheatley will do a fine job as his replacement, but upsetting a team that's had one boss for almost 20 years without any preparation might actually have an impact on its performance.

If Horner stays, 99%.
 

SP.

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm not sure Horner staying or leaving has much of an impact in the short term. He's done great at building that team into what it is, but Wheatley is more than competent enough to handle TP duties. The biggest question really is, if Horner does go, can RB keep Newey around? And there's also the long term big picture stuff Horner was handling as CEO of Red Bull Racing. But in the short term, I don't know it's going to have a huge impact this season.

All depends on what comes out of the hearing thing tomorrow though.
 

RaySpencer

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Oct 27, 2017
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Hopefully a little more competitive this season. Merc actually having a different spec from day one should help at least a little bit.
 

AnilP228

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I'm not sure Horner staying or leaving has much of an impact in the short term. He's done great at building that team into what it is, but Wheatley is more than competent enough to handle TP duties. The biggest question really is, if Horner does go, can RB keep Newey around? And there's also the long term big picture stuff Horner was handling as CEO of Red Bull Racing. But in the short term, I don't know it's going to have a huge impact this season.

All depends on what comes out of the hearing thing tomorrow though.
I'm sure Newey will stay. For the first time in the teams history, RBR will be a full of Works manufacturer for the next generation PU, with the engine and chassis produced in tandem from day one. It's the dream for someone like Adrian - winning in 2026 would be a huge achievement. He's also given a tremendous amount of freedom there to get involved in other projects, such as the AM project he's been a part of.
 

Sir Charles

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Oct 25, 2017
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Thanks for the great OT. As a long-time Hamilton fan and weeks-long Ferrari fan, looking forward to watching Hamilton win 2 man races against George and 2025 when he might actually get a real drive again.
 

mute

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Oct 25, 2017
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Crazy that I looked at the car launch schedule and first thought Red Bull was launching today.
 
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Im still so confused about this name, Cash App is not a Visa product right? So is it two separate sponsors? Or is this one sponsorship for a Visa card from Cash App?


If it's two sponsors that's crazy because I don't think anyone outside the US would possibly realise that.
 

Mobius 1

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Oct 27, 2017
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Verstappen and RBR will waltz to another set of championships.

Sainz will again outperform Leclerc, now further motivated to bolster his resume to prospective employers in '25.

When the season starts to become predictable, the noise about Andretti will start over.

Mercedes is likely fielding their 3rd consecutive shitbox.

Ricciardo will once again not live up to the hype.

Piastri will break Norris' cool.

Welcome to F1 202X
 

Jedi2016

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Oct 27, 2017
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Verstappen and RBR will waltz to another set of championships.

Sainz will again outperform Leclerc, now further motivated to bolster his resume to prospective employers in '25.

When the season starts to become predictable, the noise about Andretti will start over.

Mercedes is likely fielding their 3rd consecutive shitbox.

Ricciardo will once again not live up to the hype.

Piastri will break Norris' cool.

Welcome to F1 202X
This is why I kept my vote on "Join the 2023 Rewatch!" title.. lol