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Final Fantasy 15 or Metal Gear Solid V: Which Game Launched More Unfinished?
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MGSV at least had solid foundations. FFXV feels slapdash from minute one.
If the criteria is the ending, then FFXV is more complete. If the criteria is the full game, MGSV is.
If the criteria is the ending, then FFXV is more complete. If the criteria is the full game, MGSV is.
Okay, so I've been a huge MGS fan since my childhood, but I haven't played more than a few hours of MGSV and I pretty much decided that I will most likely never continue and finish it anyway, so could anyone give a short summary of what is missing in MGSV and how it ends? I keep hearing there's basically the whole last act missing? Does is just end or what? And why do you have to repeat missions later on? Sounds super silly.
Wait what? Theres no contest.
FFXV is finished, just that the story wasnt up to par.
MGSV had a third act that was held together by tape.
FFXV is finished, just that the story wasnt up to par.
MGSV had a third act that was held together by tape.
I think I know what you mean, and I agree.
MGSV feels very much like a complete game with a consistent vision, up until it just...ends.
FFXV has several visions of what it wanted to be, all very messily stitched together. There's some semblance of a complete picture through the first half of the story, and then it's just a pastiche of ideas the rest of the way.
FFXV has more of a complete story, but MGSV is a more complete game.
Metal Gear Solid V easily. As much as people harp on FFXV, it was a complete story from beginning to end on day 1. Everything they've added since then was extra stuff meant to flesh it all out a bit more or improve the weaker spots. Contrast this to MGSV, which is outright missing (and which is likely never going to get) a crucial Part 3.
FF XV patched in having a switchable party a year later, It feels like Accordo and other continents should have been explorable and not on rails. FFXIII sucked with its towns and XV took it to new lows (I don't care for 'it was intended to be that way')
MGSV felt like its story was unfinished but FFXV is another case of Square Enix releasing a game in shambles after having to release XIV twice.
MGSV felt like its story was unfinished but FFXV is another case of Square Enix releasing a game in shambles after having to release XIV twice.
Nope. You had to hold your nose through Kingsglaive to understand most things about Insomnia and what is even happening in the world. They even try to splice certain scenes directly from that movie into the game.
MGV is a game lacking the story's ending with superb gameplay.
FFXV is a game lacking story's beginning, middle and ending with serviceable gameplay.
There are big differences between them and MGSV even lacking is a masterpiece.
FFXV is a game lacking story's beginning, middle and ending with serviceable gameplay.
There are big differences between them and MGSV even lacking is a masterpiece.
Metal Gear Solid V by a long mile.
Final Fantasy XV had a plethora of cutscenes, character interactions, areas to explore, things to do, the list goes on.
Metal Gear Solid V while having more refined gameplay, I felt bored with it after five hours and have pretty much never gone back because it's just you doing random tasks in the desert that have no meaning or effect. That's pretty much the end all of what MGSV is.
Final Fantasy XV had a plethora of cutscenes, character interactions, areas to explore, things to do, the list goes on.
Metal Gear Solid V while having more refined gameplay, I felt bored with it after five hours and have pretty much never gone back because it's just you doing random tasks in the desert that have no meaning or effect. That's pretty much the end all of what MGSV is.
I feel like the unfinished nature of MGSV and what happened to PT are the greatest sins committed against gaming. Nobody expected FFXV to be finished so the expectations were low, but MGSV hits where it hurts. If I had known the series was going to end on such a gameplay high right before a cancerous plot low, I would have never paid attention to the fact it was announced.
People are being very generous about the completeness of FFXV, particularly the plot. Sure, there's an ending -- but what about everything leading up to that?
Sometimes I feel like an ending is enough to forget about all the massive gaps and the tedious parts of the game that are unfulfilling like chapter 13. Insomnia was the most disappointing thing ever at launch too. Even if MGS5 doesn't have a satisfying ending, the final OKB Zero mission is a dream to play.
I beat it before anything was added on and the hyperbole about stuff missing wasn't as bad. yes the stuff they have added has improved it but the story wasn't unfinished. it made enough sense.
Still doesn't mean the game was in shambles. the hyperbole from some people regarding ffxv is insane.
MGSV is incredible but the unfinished ending doesn't help game even if the rest of it was good.. FFXV is a great game and it was still great at launch and now it's even better.
This is coming from a huge Phantom Pain fan, but my choice is undoubtedly MGSV. FFXV was rough around the edges, but felt like the more complete and finished game of the two.
FFXV's gameplay is terrible, its story a complete clusterfuck, and it runs like shit. Nothing about it is a great game.
MGSV. FFXV might have some cutscenes missing, but at least it has a goddamn ending. MGSV doesn't even have that.
Nah, I played the game and it's gotta be the worst thing I've played in half a decade. It's fine if you like it, but in my opinion, it's a complete turd.
I'd say Final Fantasy XV. MGSV tells a complete story, starting with revenge against Skullface, and concluding with Venom's true identity revealed. It feels unsatisfying because it teases much more, but what's there gave me at least 100 hours of entertainment.
Final Fantasy XV completely botched its storytelling, which is such an integral part of the franchise. The first half of the game is meandering and relatively aimless. The impact of most of the plot twists is completely muted by the lackluster delivery. The second half had a lot more promise, with the party traveling to lots of new regions. However, every event and location is rushed through. The game frequently recalls events rather than showing them happen, and comes across as very rushed and sloppy. The second half of the game could have been great if it didn't keep fading to black between scenes/chapters, and implying conversations.
The chapter structure in modern FF seems to be a crutch the writers use to avoid having to actually write a cohesive and organic narrative. It's easier to segment the mood of each character into each character to fake character progression, than actually write out these changes.
Final Fantasy XV completely botched its storytelling, which is such an integral part of the franchise. The first half of the game is meandering and relatively aimless. The impact of most of the plot twists is completely muted by the lackluster delivery. The second half had a lot more promise, with the party traveling to lots of new regions. However, every event and location is rushed through. The game frequently recalls events rather than showing them happen, and comes across as very rushed and sloppy. The second half of the game could have been great if it didn't keep fading to black between scenes/chapters, and implying conversations.
The chapter structure in modern FF seems to be a crutch the writers use to avoid having to actually write a cohesive and organic narrative. It's easier to segment the mood of each character into each character to fake character progression, than actually write out these changes.
Yeah, this is how I feel. I love MGSV's gameplay, but my god that game is just a slash job as far as content completion goes. Which is insane when you consider how long it is.
I've come to the conclusion I can't really consider MGSV unfinished when it's designed by Kojima and Phantom Pain is the subtitle.
The game is designed to make you feel something missing. It achieved its goal gloriously.
FFXV takes the cake. But it also takes the cake as an example of how a single player game should be treated post launch.
Wish MGSV had that.
In the original game, without patches...
* Quiet leaves you forever.
* Eli runs away and is dealt with off-screen.
* Skullface dies without a fight
* Ocelot has been double crossing you all along
* Your identity was stolen from you.
* Quiet leaves you forever.
* Eli runs away and is dealt with off-screen.
* Skullface dies without a fight
* Ocelot has been double crossing you all along
* Your identity was stolen from you.
The game is designed to make you feel something missing. It achieved its goal gloriously.
FFXV takes the cake. But it also takes the cake as an example of how a single player game should be treated post launch.
Wish MGSV had that.
I won't vote since I didn't play MGSV but wow, I'm surprised reading the comments that something can actually be worse than FFXV. Like, honestly, FFXV is just 25% of a game, I can't see how it gets to be worse than this lol Konami probably screwed up huge.
The game's main plot ends about 2/3rds in, which is only the first chapter. Then Chapter 2 begins and it's more like a string of post-game sidequests that have no closure on some plot points that were left open from the previous chapter. Then the game ends.
It's completely missing any kind of buildup or climax to the ending, the final mission just kind of unlocks after doing the requisite number of side ops and story missions and it's a repeat of the first mission with an added epilogue.
The cut act/mission was basically something that would have wrapped up Liquid's part in the game's story, but they kept in all the cutscenes leading up to it so you end up with a game that has a bunch of plot points and cliffhangers that go nowhere and an ending that comes out of nowhere with zero buildup.
Probably missing like two more that might've been planned at that, to truly "bridge the gap".
"Gameplay is terrible": check... it is serviceable being generous... hold x to win.
"its story a complete clusterfuck": there is basically no story in the main quest and you need or fill the gaps with your imagination or watch dozen of external media to fill a bit and imagine the rest.
"run like shit": check... DF confirmed that.
What is not true about his post? Hyperbole is somebody trying to say FFXV story is good, the gameplay is great and it has flawless performace.
Uhhh, okay. That sounds wack. Thanks for the summary!
FFXV is a very flimsy hodgepodge of ideas from various incarnations of the project, slapped together in 2 years. Corners are cut all over the place but I feel like the director fulfilled his rescue mission, they released something passable.
MGSV was shat into the marketplace a year before it was ready. It's not a complete product, it's blindingly obvious that Konami eventually said "we aren't spending another dime" and just released what was finished up to that point. I doubt Kojima is proud of the final product.
MGSV was shat into the marketplace a year before it was ready. It's not a complete product, it's blindingly obvious that Konami eventually said "we aren't spending another dime" and just released what was finished up to that point. I doubt Kojima is proud of the final product.
MGSV is mostly complete up until it just sort of stops, 15 had holes in it, like noticable gaps in content. 15 is much more of a mess.
I didn't have to read further than the first post, MGSV for me as well. It still is such a bummer in my gut when I see it anywhere due to the way that series wrapped up. Ugh typing this now still hurts thinking about that game and all the damn micro managing and forced timers... Chapter 3.
Important thing to note: most of the second half stuff in MGSV involves replaying old missions you've already done before but with alternate rules. So it's basically like you finish the first half and the second half is a greatest hits reel of the first half all over again and then there's a cutscene about Quiet and it's over. It's really weird.
FFXV.
At least the gameplay of MGS was perfect. Framerate and IQ as well. The game is lacking proper direction and has no real conclusion but up until that I had a blast.
At least the gameplay of MGS was perfect. Framerate and IQ as well. The game is lacking proper direction and has no real conclusion but up until that I had a blast.