Ashe and Penelo's designs were also bad lolI uh, don't think FFXII was that game.
Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth - Review Thread
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This isn't even remotely as embarrassing as Tifa's FMV clips in the original.
They've done right with the character. They showcase her sex appeal, but not nearly to the degree so many fan-artists, SFM creators and so on have flanderized her with.
Which is stunning to me, because Zodiac Age turned me from someone who despised the very concept of XII into a "this is one of the best jRPGs period" believer.
Fuck. I thought I could wait for a sale, but might have to go day 1 for this...
Physical version with beautiful art as well please!
A lot of reviews are already in. They're at 117 already. The original remake had 135 and even incredibly popular stuff like God Of War Ragnarok had 150 reviews.
I don't really expect a huge drop in score when realistically we've had the vast majority of the review scores already unless all the new ones are like an 8 or below.
Yes, exactly, it's the fact that a woman has boobs that annoys me. Not the tone, intention, tasteless hyper male-gazeness and infantilization of said woman (which is nothing new for the Tifa archetype but come on).
Tifa is less of a character in FF7R than the OG because of crap like this.
Edit. and yes, Tifa was already "problematic" in the OG, but at least it was confined to the FMV.
Other than VI and IX, I think every Final Fantasy is divisive
Ashe is funny because people call it bad, and the Lightning stole her mini skirt and short sleeves look and people call it good.
I also think lightning's skirt is bad. Both skirts are way too short and end up looking goofy as a result.
FF fans ate flicke lot lol
Rather interesting coincidence that XVI and Rebirth have had the most explicit queer reps series despite the games being developed in parallel. Bides well for XVII keeping as thing with accepted it has been at SE.
Me begging Square to pls focus on porting Rebirth and not XVI to PC first 😭
It's a love story in which the characters are romantically interested in each other.
Yes, obviously, there's an emphasis on player fanservice, but it's not like there's any other way to frame "Male character looks at female character's sexy attire, is attracted."
There were two other stereotypical ways they could have done this that would've been far worse:
-Camera zooms way close to the cleavage, making "Boooing!" noise while Cloud has steam shoot out his ears
-Cloud is completely stone-faced, oblivious/uninterested whatsoever
Having him shyly and respectfully turn away does a lot more to characterize Cloud make the scene feel a bit more meaningful than the above alternatives.
If this was the case, why couldn't Cloud also have a more sexualized beachfit like a speedo or something?
If she's in Tekken then I need Aerith in Smash Bros as well. I could already seen her entire move set. Would love Tifa in that as well.
He's literally shirtless.
And the previous game was all-in on sexualizing him, like a thousand times more than either of the ladies.
It does feel like marketing has been off for a lot of games lately. I wonder if it's just becoming too expensive and they're hoping fans pick up the slack now.
The monkey's paw will curl and it'll be an Epic store exclusive for a year while a fully optimized XVI releases afterwards on all the PC storefronts.
I looked again and they're a bit more different than I remember.
But I still get big "can I copy your homework" energy from Ashe and Lightning, haha.
Did folks play Remake? They sexualize the f*** out of Cloud. And in that scene above he's literally shirtless with S+ 8-pack abs, lol.
Oh nooooooo! lol
Oh whew...... Maybe I'll be aight! 🤣
Oh, that's a fucking relief. I was worried you needed to ace every song, but a B is pretty doable.
The worst time Tifa was ever sexualised was in her original game. That FMV with her melons flopping about did far more damage than the Italy video.
And it wasn't just that, there's also moments like the slapfight, Cloud pocketing her underwear….there's even dev interviews and in-game code where they express their raunchiness.
And they had EVEN WORSE stuff that was cut out.
I won't claim it's been a perfect representation ever since, but they've made significant strides in depicting the character more seriously while still taking stock of her gorgeous attributes. They could have pandered a whole lot harder to the horny fanbase filling up the imageboard sites then they're doing.
Whenever you read how Tifa is the character that the artists and teams spend the most amount of time designing "to create a balance", it's proof enough they don't want her to be marketed as Tits First.
Only that? Sounds like an amazing outcome to me, I'm not a graphics person and the only store I refuse to buy from is Microsoft's. Bring it on!!
Edit: also; re: marketing I feel like they are banking on word of mouth and great reviews for this one. Pretty sure it will work well for them.
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Toriyama specifically talked about the desire to be more progressive, looking to games like Life is Strange. All the FF games with women protagonists (FFX, FFXIII Trilogy) were all directed by him too. He's definitely the one leading the charge
Updated, vibrant queer scene in FFVII Remake praised for busting gender stereotypes
Final Fantasy VII Remake co-director Motomu Toriyama discusses the celebrated queer Honeybee Inn dance scene in a new Square Enix interview.
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In regards to FF16. While Yoshi-P showed his ass with how he tried to defend the idea of why Black people can't exist in Valisthea. He has been a supporter of queerness in his games, whether it is an ongoing process of termovinduer genderlocks from gender based outfits in FFXIV or having major character like Dion in FF16 be gay. I think Square is lucky to have people in its corner who want to be progressive and want to push for modernity more than most of their contemporaries. It is pretty cool!
Yoshi-P Director and Producer of Final Fantasy XIV says "trans rights"
Source Its a wonderful thing to see Japanese developers speak up about things especially from a game developer that's done a miracle in reviving FF14. As a member of the LGBT community i am so happy for this.
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Dissidia 012 was pretty bad. Like all the characters had introduction lines depending on what characters they faced a good chunk of them with Tifa was her telling people to not stare at her tits pretty much.
Did your version of XII not have bunny women walking around in lingerie?
Toriyama specifically talked about the desire to be more progressive, looking to games like Life is Strange. All the FF games with women protagonists (FFX, FFXIII Trilogy) were all directed by him too. He's definitely the one leading the charge
Updated, vibrant queer scene in FFVII Remake praised for busting gender stereotypes
Final Fantasy VII Remake co-director Motomu Toriyama discusses the celebrated queer Honeybee Inn dance scene in a new Square Enix interview.
In regards to FF16. While Yoshi-P showed his ass with how he tried to defend the idea of why Black people can't exist in Valisthea. He has been a supporter of queerness in his games, whether it is an ongoing process of termovinduer genderlocks from gender based outfits in FFXIV or having major character like Dion in FF16 be gay. I think Square is lucky to have people in its corner who want to be progressive and want to push for modernity more than most of their contemporaries. It is pretty cool!
Yoshi-P Director and Producer of Final Fantasy XIV says "trans rights"
Source Its a wonderful thing to see Japanese developers speak up about things especially from a game developer that's done a miracle in reviving FF14. As a member of the LGBT community i am so happy for this.
Dion was also the best character in FFXVI and frankly should've been the main character. Do a spinoff about him.
But we know that XV finished at around 10 million. Again that's good, but a breakout success implies that it's more successful than previous entries.
Are you fucking kidding me right now?
I'm finishing up XVI and I still need to finish VII Remake and now this universally acclaimed game is about to come out?
This does not help my FOMO problem.
It also doesn't help that the demo I played was sooooooo good.
God help me if we get a FFX remake of this caliber. 🤤
I'm finishing up XVI and I still need to finish VII Remake and now this universally acclaimed game is about to come out?
This does not help my FOMO problem.
It also doesn't help that the demo I played was sooooooo good.
I'm gonna spend an entire day just playing the piano alone.
God help me if we get a FFX remake of this caliber. 🤤
I looked it up, and that doesn't appear to be the case.
Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy battle dialogue
The following is a list of battle dialogue spoken by characters in Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy. For battle dialogue in the original game, see Dissidia Final Fantasy (PSP) battle dialogue. Try withstanding my blade! Prepare yourself! Prepare to duel! I must proceed. I cannot fail. With all my...
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The only one that tracks is her dialogue to Zidane (which makes sense, since... well... it's Zidane.)
Yes, it did have a female character with a bad design. However, despite that I recall her being a character that wasnt infantilised with the camera panning into her breasts at the slightest opportunity.
Fran was closer to Lulu than Tifa. Not perfect by any means but waaaay better than this.
I looked it up, and that doesn't appear to be the case.
Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy battle dialogue
The following is a list of battle dialogue spoken by characters in Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy. For battle dialogue in the original game, see Dissidia Final Fantasy (PSP) battle dialogue. Try withstanding my blade! Prepare yourself! Prepare to duel! I must proceed. I cannot fail. With all my...
The only one that tracks is her dialogue to Zidane.
Hmm I'll have to concede then. For some reason I remembered it being more.