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Fire Emblem: Three Houses primarily developed by Koei Tecmo, IntSys supplied "minimum" staff
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If Koei can release the best fire emblem I've ever played I'm all for them making a bunch more. I wonder what the original devs were up to the whole time.
I didn't read the entire thread, but do they lay out who was responsible for the game's design and direction?
I could see how development could be staffed with IntSys leading the game's design (systems, mechanics) and Koei doing some of the design and all of the programming.
I could see how development could be staffed with IntSys leading the game's design (systems, mechanics) and Koei doing some of the design and all of the programming.
I know, right? All in all, I'm glad it's as good as it is, but it makes me furious that there will likely NEVER be another sequel to the original and duodecim, purely because they already have a team fighter and a mobile game.
At least the mobile game is The Best and Most Generous Gatcha Game Of All Time, and Totally lives up to the legacy of the first two in it's own way.
But, my point here, is that outsourcing development of a Major series can be fine, but needs to be done carefully. If you create a precedent to make other companies handle your IPs for you, you run the risk of executive action shelving the whole thing as a reaction to bad press or sales. Then the team is fudged for no reason of their own.
There are conflicting intents in my previous paragraph, and that's on purpose. While individuals working at a company can do their jobs for various reasons, money will always be the Final Factor, and reasons and intents can conflict and contradict for that money, and do so all the time.
Minor series' like Dissidia Final Fantasy are totally fudged no matter what, the original developers might as well not exist anymore. I hope that isn't the case, but it might be.
There is a credit list available... from the credits. The two directors are from IS, but Koei does have some game designers listed. Also, all writers are from Koei, surprisingly.
I haven't played it yet, but if this is the Koei team behind the long running strategy series(Romance of the 3 Kingdoms and Nobunaga's Ambition) then the tech issues and lackluster visuals aren't surprising.
Their strategy games have always been very deep and addicting(since the 1980s) but the visuals kind of bleh.
Seriously, if Koei did this one, I am SUPER curious at what Intsys is doing, because this is my first fire emblem game and I am ADDICTED.
This game is impressive if it's all Koei.
This game is impressive if it's all Koei.
IS used to work out of Nintendo's building back in the day, and they've never released a game for any platform other than Nintendo as far as I can tell. It's pretty understandable that people think Nintendo actually owns them.
The two chief directors are evenly split from Nintendo and IS. With the assistant and sub director also being from the Nintendo side. Mainly all who worked on FE Echoes and other FE before.
We can't play the worship famous game directors with Twitter game and disregard that role for names that are less recognized.
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It's funny that Koei Tecmo developed 3 first party published titles all released in a single month.
Dragon Quest Builders 2 (western release published by Nintendo on Switch) was outsourced to Koei Tecmo
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 was made by Koei Tecmo
FE Three Houses was co-developed by Koei Tecmo.
All out in June.
They're not my favorite dev, in fact I don't like 90% of their work. But I guess they're good at handling the brunt work on titles.
Dragon Quest Builders 2 (western release published by Nintendo on Switch) was outsourced to Koei Tecmo
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 was made by Koei Tecmo
FE Three Houses was co-developed by Koei Tecmo.
All out in June.
They're not my favorite dev, in fact I don't like 90% of their work. But I guess they're good at handling the brunt work on titles.
It's funny that they comment on the game length as I feel like that's one of the main complaints I've heard about this game is that it's too long. I haven't bought this yet and I'm looking forward to playing it but that's probably the biggest complaint I've heard about it.
agreed It was my favorite donkey game only tropical freeze comes close to passing it for me
Cool, now if IS can get somebody who understands the original appeal of Paper Mario and have them work on it...
In the worst ways possible. Really, I am enjoying the game, but the visuals and performance shave points for me. They're both consistently jarring.
Guys I need a little advice . I am at the part where i have to choose a house and I am really torn between blue lions and black eagles. My heart says blue lions because I like the design of Dimitri but in most of the reviews I've seen they went with BE . am I missing much by not choosing BE for my first play through ? No spoilers please.
I'm loving the game too but it's good to hear I'm not the only one who has issues with the graphics.
In portable mode the resolution seems to be all over the place. Even little things like the scene when a character levels up, it'll sometimes jump between resolutions and the character's face turns into a smear of pixels. It's not Xenoblade Chronicles 2 bad, but it's distracting.
Absolutely. The environments look terrible. The characters are top notch.
So that makes perfect sense to me. IntSys laying the groundwork and rules (much spun off previous entries, of course) and Koei applying.
Not to take anything away from Koei at all, but simply saying "supplied minimum staff" is, while true, misleading imo. Who those staff are matters a good deal
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Also holy shit EAD Ninja is still around... have always enjoyed your posts - glad to see you're still educating us!
Picked Blue Lions, you miss nothing (I mean, you miss the other two paths, but you will miss two other paths no matter what).
Seems like Blue Lions is more swords/Lance heavy while Black Eagles is more about magic? That could help people decide
I'm tempted to say IS is working on a Genealogy remake since that seems to be where things are heading, but it also feels weird for the new mainline title to be the one handled externally while the "real" FE developers do a remake?
Also I think the Switch Lite may have killed our chances for a Switch Warioware anytime soon. Hopefully I'm wrong and they could just do one that's button input-based or based around the gyroscope which I think the Lite also has. I suspect that we won't see a lot of stuff like 1 2 Switch that's dependent on the Joy Cons coming out much anymore.
Also I think the Switch Lite may have killed our chances for a Switch Warioware anytime soon. Hopefully I'm wrong and they could just do one that's button input-based or based around the gyroscope which I think the Lite also has. I suspect that we won't see a lot of stuff like 1 2 Switch that's dependent on the Joy Cons coming out much anymore.
What carries over? Are the NG+ stuck on the same difficulty?
Given that some (all?) IntSys directors and designers were working on Three Houses, this means that whatever other staff who usually do the programming are either not working with Nintendo anymore (which means IntSys would be very tiny and not a full development team now) or are indeed working on something else. And that something else hasn't even been announced yet? Maybe it's a new IP (still overseen by the directors/designers who were also occupied by FETH) that could still be scrapped and they don't want to reveal until it's far along in development?
You can change gender/difficulty (I want to say at will) and other things carry over in a Tales-like "renown" shop where you expend renown for Supports/Teacher Rankings/etc to ease you into subsequent playthroughs.
Yes please. I've been dying to play Genealogy.
But the same directors who worked on the remake spent the next 2 years working on this game.
Int Sys has done an HD game before in color splash, even if the staff doesn't cross over much with FE, to address that final point.
But I think it's a good thing. People have been saying Nintendo should have executives spearheaading projects with other companies on their IPs to increase their production time and content.
As long as we don't see horrible results, It's a good strategy nevermind the reason.
Mecury Steam with Metroid
Bandai with Smash
KT with FE3H (and musous if you want to count them)
None of these projects turned out poor. So the strategy seems alright.
As for Int Sys, we'll see what's in their pipeline.
Which is my point? There's this belief that FE4 is the best because...I dunno, more mature themes and the middle twist?
I'm not disputing the point that it's a good game that many other FE games have taken inspiration from. But I find it highly questionable how people can just go ahead and call it the best game without taking a proper critique (a lot of valid criticism thrown at the newer games are applicable to it as well but nobody does so anyway).
I'm super curious as to the business aspect of such a collaboration. Did Nintendo pay a set amount per hour employee worked? Does TKoei get a percent of the profits? I just really want to know what amount of money it takes for a publisher to give over a chunk of their workforce for a game they won't see the return on since they aren't publishing it.
I had the same question for Bandai Namco and the hundreds of employees over 6 years who made the 2 smash brothers games.
I had the same question for Bandai Namco and the hundreds of employees over 6 years who made the 2 smash brothers games.
Makes sense I played a few of the Romance games honestly they are top tier and if they are this good at FE maybe they should make some other games of this ilk
ouch. they can't all be winners.
not sure if to blame Platinum
or internal Nintendo's design philosophy of the controls and retreading SF64......
hm actually I do know.
it was definitely Nintendo's philosophy
phew
I think about this too
Could it be that much cheaper to use another developer's people instead of just hiring more for yourself? Or is it just in the game's best interest to go with people that excel at certain genres even if that means you lost a cut of the profit
IMHO (and I'm not that far into the game) the story and character development in 3H takes a rocket launcher and blows PoR's to smithereens. Of course, I thought PoR was dull and toothless, like King Lear by way of Leave it to Beaver.
I'm no expert on anything management, but expanding isn't just a matter of hiring twice the staff and being twice as productive. It can require a fundamental reorganization of how a group operates, and the original culture can be lost in the process. I suspect that IntSys has a small team mentality that just isn't amenable to scaling up. Partnering with larger devs allows them to work on larger projects while maintaining their unique identity.
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KT and it's various studios seem to be the "go to" for a lot of Japanese publishers these days. I wonder if it's just that they are this easy to work with or are that reliable to get a project done within an acceptable time frame of a certain quality. It's likely both I'd guess. They are involved with a lot more projects these days than I think many of us realized, especially recently.