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Five per cent of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust took place and one in 12 believes its been exaggerated
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They asked only two thousand people in a country of tens of millions. That's not much of a sample size, though even 1200 of them had no idea how many Jews were killed in the Holocaust is shocking.
That's actually a perfectly good sample size as long as they were selected properly. How does someone always manage to make this sort of comment?
A sample size that large is more than enough believe it or not. Naturally though it also needs to be a mixed sample, not just 1200 people that are under 21 or something daft.
While sad to hear, that's clearly more about education than malice. Could not say does not mean exaggerated as a negative (to downplay). Underestimating is often guessing which means not knowing.
The 5% who denied it happening while shocking is roughly a margin for assholes you'd expect. Rarely does any poll go to 100%, sadly, even with serious/historical questions.
You could ask people who the PM was and you still wouldn't get 100%
You forgot Brexiters..
Yeah this is really the worst. WW2 is not that long ago. We have survivors, documents, remnents of camps whom you can visit, photos, films and whatnot so people can see that this all happened.
Yeah, it's insane to see so many people talk crazy shit about George Soros / Bilderberg Group etc.
Given the rabbit hole of British anti semitism that's prevalent on twitter, I'm surprised it's not higher.
Eh, atleast 10% of any population sample is going to be severely limited in their mental faculties. A lot of people are not very intelligent at all. The numbers aren't shocking at all.
People in the dark ages at least had an excuse for their lack of knowledge. These people don't.
Indeed. Just under half the population has below average intelligence
in this day and age 5% doesn't even seem that bad with the rabbit holes the internet provides.
people underestimating the number is a bigger issue because it demonstrates that while people know it happened they don't really know the scale of it.
people underestimating the number is a bigger issue because it demonstrates that while people know it happened they don't really know the scale of it.
Isn't 5% pretty much in the realm of normal for being outside the standard? There isn't much that goes 100%. I'd venture a guess, that across the world, that's actually a pretty good comparison to other countries belief, and in fact, knowledge of it.
Did they get a racial & religious make up of the sample?
Did they get a racial & religious make up of the sample?
I 100% agree but I'd like to know figures for other countries. I went to school in the 80s and we were really well taught about WW2. The thought of people learning this stuff through social media is terrifying.
https://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm
Confidence level: 95%
Sample size: 2000
Population: 66000000
Percentage: 5%
Resulting confidence interval: 0.96
This means the true answer is 95% likely to be between 4.04% and 5.96%.
I admit I didn't remember the number for Jews murdered in the holocaust either. My guess was 10 million, which is off by 4 million.
Depending on how knowledgeable you are on the numbers it's not unsurprising some people underestimate/overestimate (without malice). The overall number is higher than just the Jewish people killed and the individual breakdown contains many different numbers.
In a world where people think the Earth is flat and chocolate milk comes from brown cows, this does not surprise me.
Maybe if you want to know how many people in the UK don't believe the Holocaust happened, you should ask us all rather than ask a handful of people you grabbed off the street and assume any of them speak for me.
Sorry but I refuse to believe that just because one hundred people out of the two thousand they surveyed was a Holocaust denier, we should throw three and a half million British people under the bus and assume they deny it happened too - because there's no fucking way that many British people can say it didn't happen when we were all taught about the Holocaust in school.
5% ? To be honest, I thought it would be even worse with all the crazy shit people believe on the Internet.
I cannot comprehend some prople would not believe or think it's exaggerated when this is one of the most documented thing ever, with tons of evidences. But people sometimes prefer to simply ignore the facts. And that's a problem.
I had a colleague at work - very well educated ( Master in a big business school ) who was hard line catholic ( not sure how to put it ) and she refused to believe the crimes committed by the Church through Inquisition. She said it was just lies. I told her what about the public apologies if the Vatican for those crimes then. She would still not believe it...
So I'm afraid those 5% would still ignore the facts even presented with the evidences. That's the saddest part...
The other things is I'm sure lots of people do not know jews were not just exterminated in concentration camps but also by firing squad, the "Holocaust by bullet". And in the concentration camps alonside the 6 million jews there were Communists, homosexuals, roms, disabled, Jehovah's witnesses, etc. So many people do not know - or choose to ignore - the scale of nazi atrocities.
I cannot comprehend some prople would not believe or think it's exaggerated when this is one of the most documented thing ever, with tons of evidences. But people sometimes prefer to simply ignore the facts. And that's a problem.
I had a colleague at work - very well educated ( Master in a big business school ) who was hard line catholic ( not sure how to put it ) and she refused to believe the crimes committed by the Church through Inquisition. She said it was just lies. I told her what about the public apologies if the Vatican for those crimes then. She would still not believe it...
So I'm afraid those 5% would still ignore the facts even presented with the evidences. That's the saddest part...
The other things is I'm sure lots of people do not know jews were not just exterminated in concentration camps but also by firing squad, the "Holocaust by bullet". And in the concentration camps alonside the 6 million jews there were Communists, homosexuals, roms, disabled, Jehovah's witnesses, etc. So many people do not know - or choose to ignore - the scale of nazi atrocities.
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What? You do understand how polling works?
The comment you quoted is 100% right. A sample size of 2000 is good as long as it's picked without bias and correctly.
You're obviously not in the 5% so I don't know why you're taking it personally?
Depending on how knowledgeable you are on the numbers it's not unsurprising some people underestimate/overestimate (without malice). The overall number is higher than just the Jewish people killed and the individual breakdown contains many different numbers.
That's what I was thinking. The 1/12 is the number I'm more worried about. It's also not like History classes go into the numbers. When I was at school I was told the overall amount of deaths and had a few lessons on the topic of why the jews were targeted. I don't think the exact number came up.
Your timing with this post couldn't be any worse.
Asking everyone is impossible. It would be impossible to do any form of science with those requirements. That's why we have statistics. Because once you get thousands of samples you actually can generalize about large populations. That is of course assuming that the samples are properly randomly selected, which is the main difficulty when doing polling.
An important aspect to this is that these people are not oblibious to the truth. They went to school, they likely saw Holocaust-themed movies or documentaries. They know what is the timeline of events.
These kind of people intentionally choose to believe in mindless conspiracy theories like the non-existence of Holocaust, chemtrails or whatever the fuck. That's the scary part: this percentage of people can see the stats and facts but are unable to process them because they contradict their horrible views.
Scary stuff.
These kind of people intentionally choose to believe in mindless conspiracy theories like the non-existence of Holocaust, chemtrails or whatever the fuck. That's the scary part: this percentage of people can see the stats and facts but are unable to process them because they contradict their horrible views.
Scary stuff.
I'm sure the actual number is a little bigger thanks in no small part to the internet. Places like 4chan are swarming with holocaust deniers and people posting infographics about the evil Jewish menace.
You actually really can.
As has been said, provided the poll was done correctly its actually very accurate. polling another 2000 would reveal results that are very very close.
It's painting three and a half million faceless Brits with an opinion that you cannot actually say they definitively have. Can you point out the millions of Holocaust deniers in my country? If we extrapolate that survey's data, nearly four thousand people in my town alone don't believe the Holocaust happened. Want to point out who?
It's insulting and inaccurate yet people are parading it around as if there's actually three and a half million British people no different to me who believe the Holocaust never happened.
What's next, a hundred people out of two thousand say they don't believe the moon exists and so we just assume nearly four hundred million people across the planet share their opinion?
That was my thought, initially. However there's no room for complacency as we see the rise of the extreme right throughout Europe.
You can read the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust's own article about the poll they commissioned here:
https://www.hmd.org.uk/news/we-release-research-to-mark-holocaust-memorial-day-2019/
That 5% of the British public are different than you, they believe the Holocaust is some sort of hoax/exaggeration. Why are you so shocked in a country of this size there are assholes/conspiracy theorists? Not everyone is you. That seems to be the ridiculous assumption YOU are making. You're taking yourself, ONE person, and extrapolating that everyone around you must think as you do? Do you not see the irony in that? Calling out a properly established and carried out poll with a sample size of 2000 inaccurate, yet using yourself as a means to talk about people in your town/across the globe.
You're acting incredibly weird over this, I again encourage you to go and clue yourself up on how polling works and why it is often very accurate (minus the normal margin of error).
Do you accept that 2+2 = 4?
Because that's as stonewalled as this. That's how it works. Its been proven. Crazy though it may be.