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Former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe shot in the back in Nara City (Suspect arrested, UP: Abe confirmed dead) (See Staff Post)
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It is not taught nearly as much in Japan as it is in other countries. Some students do not even start the topic of WW2 until their 3rd year of Junior High School which is the equivalent of 9th grade US high school. Think about that for a second.
Can we not? It's hard enough focusing on the hear and now without people saying "oh my god, this going to lead this and that we're all fucked"
Eh it does matter that they were who they were. Esp when they were someone that denied war crimes and rape stations.
The o my
The only place I've ever seen the war openly and honestly discussed in Japan was the Peace Park Museum in Hiroshima.
The only place I've ever seen the war openly and honestly discussed in Japan was the Peace Park Museum in Hiroshima.
What the hell, this is insane! Why even bother doing this? He's not PM anymore. Seems pretty dumb to me.
But it's a sobering reminder that I guess even former world leaders aren't safe and this incident will no doubt encourage people to target other former world leaders.
But it's a sobering reminder that I guess even former world leaders aren't safe and this incident will no doubt encourage people to target other former world leaders.
There are very few cultures willing and able to come to terms with their past as "the bad guys". I can really only think of modern Germany who go full bore with their (Nazi) history and pull no punches. Everyone else has some faction with real power that is happy to sweep their sordid histories right under the rug. Nationalism, exceptionalism, and pride are potent enemies of truth.
No idea what the motivation is. However, Abe is basically the spokesperson for the LDP in certain areas. You need help in the polls, Abe can help. He was basically the kingmaker and he still helped shape policy.
Damn. I don't know how else to say this, but luckily the shooter didn't have a group with him, cause it probably would've gone very badly.
If I had to guess, I'd say that the shooter hates Japanese rightwing historical denialism, and correctly identified Abe as the biggest symbol of Japanese rightwing historical denialism.
I'd also guess that this will not decrease the amount of Japanese rightwing historical denialism.
I can't speak to the policies today but I do have the anecdote that our high school Japanese language teacher, who came to the US from Japan in her 20s, learned about the Pearl Harbor attack from a student the first year she taught here and her mind was blown. This was the early 2000s.
Thank you for providing information rather than disinformation. I find it troubling that so many people alias everything they don't like to nazi. It adds noise.
Reading about this pure blood theory throughout time I came across the Eugenic Protection Law. This is absolutely horrific. I find it hard to believe that It is not protested there.
Wait there is an even worse one which enforces sterilization for the disabled until the 90s.
Would be my guess as well.
Tbf, it probably wont increase the amount of Japanese rightwing historical denialism either, since Japan already maxed out that stat.
He resigned during the height of the pandemic issue in Japan, largely seen as being ineffective at managing it. Many people ridiculed the 'Abe mask' which was a tiny mask sent to all residents that barely covered your mouth. He cited a recurrence of his ulcerative colitis (triggered by stress) as to why.
And then there are Chinese netizen envious and want it to happen to the current leader in China too
It's barely covered at all as Japan is ashamed of their past. History was not even compulsory when my wife went to high school. She knew nothing until she went and did her university in the States. Imagine her horror and shame when she found out.
Whoa, obviously developing story so will have to wait and see but this would be wild
staff post - please avoid using social media/auto-translate stuff as a source
Official Staff Communication
This is a fast moving situation, made all the harder to keep up with given the fact that it is all taking place in a language that most of us do not speak or read natively.
In the hope that we can avoid any misinformation, we would ask members not to post any tweets that purport to have information on the issue. Online translation services are not always reliable and the only thing more unreliable is generally Twitter users themselves.
As such, please DO NOT use social media posts from anyone as information as to what is going on or why it happened.
In the hope that we can avoid any misinformation, we would ask members not to post any tweets that purport to have information on the issue. Online translation services are not always reliable and the only thing more unreliable is generally Twitter users themselves.
As such, please DO NOT use social media posts from anyone as information as to what is going on or why it happened.
Which is why teaching accurate history is non-negotiable and why people get real serious when revisionism starts to try to gain footing. It's why people of color and jewish peoples in America get real angry when someone proposes limiting the visibility of slavery, the holocaust, japanese internment camps, indigenous peoples genocide and confinement to reservations, or the contributions of various cultures to the current tapestry of society. Not only is it fundamentally erasure, but it also sets up the cycle to repeat itself.
I've heard people who visit Cambodia saying that they don't pull a lot of punches when depicting the Cambodian genocide, although I guess the circumstances around that are different.
Totally agreed. There needs to be a pushback against attack on education about crimes against humanity specifically because it's those attacks are a deliberate effort in order to enable further abuses.
They completely obfuscate the fact that the Khmer Rouge never really lost its power and simply transitioned into a more legitimate seeming government, with many of the same leaders.
I know a bit, but I would no longer call myself authoritative on this (I no longer regularly read Japanese history and culture scholarship, but I do have my lived experiences in Japan on this very topic). As someone mentioned previously, and you allude, many cultures have the same or similar prejudices. Right wing Japanese politics are just unabashed about it. But it is also unfortunately insidious, and everyday people regularly employ it. Which is why I hope in this moment someone can dispel these type of comments, but I doubt it. I have never seen leadership like that there.
But to clarify, I was just trying to further explain what the initial poster was implying by mentioning naziism.
As for abe, I suspect he is already gone on life support from what they are saying. Officials must be biding time to figure out what to do.
Lol no.
Abe even defended his Class A War Criminal grandfather and said that other people pointing at him and his criminal history made him a conservative at the first place. It is not not covered in schools or the media because of shame, but because the conservative LDP was in power for basically the whole time after WWII.
What is true is that most regular Japanese folks are disgusted by the events when they first hear about it. When I did my English certificate abroad there were a lot of Japanese students who never heard of the Nanjing massacre before, and all reacted the same when I told them about it.
that's good to know. Something rarely followed by other nations. People seem allergic to feeling guilty...or, like anything less than their forefathers (and by extension, them) being light-bearing angelic forces for good in a dark world. Positive head cannon is a helluva drug.
Longest serving PM in Japan for the major political party. He would have a lot of eyes on him regardless of being active PM.
He is/was a terrible person and still retained a lot of influence so, while shocking that it's happened, the fact someone wanted him dead isn't a huge surprise. I'm concerned about the wider impacts arising from this incident though.
I think it would take an act of god to survive your back being shot so bad you're bleeding out from your chest, but don't underestimate old evil people's refusal to die
They might be trying to figure out if there's any threat to anyone else before putting out a statement because either this dude was a lone wolf or he was working with someone else.
I imagine this kind of phenomena is quite common. I'd venture to say, for example, that most Americans have never heard of 3/4 of the horrific interventions the country has made into South + Central America and Africa in the last 75 years. The very long list of genocidal dictators that were propped up and supported by our government who stood by as they rained death and destruction among the men, women, and children of their countries in breathtaking numbers and with spectacular savagery. All supported by the US government, typically in the interest of making a fucking profit. So we as regular citizens just wander around and wonder why people would hate us. Why someone would say, "the chickens have come home to roost"? After all, we've done nothing but help, right?
It's so easy for perps to forget and as soon as a single generation escapes learning about it, things become myth and fake news.
Even if Abe made it to the hospital alive with a penetrating gunshot wound involving the chest (the heart and related blood vessels are still very much at risk even if shot from the back), the trauma team at Nara would be relatively inexperienced in handling that kind of injury, worsening odds of survival. From the sparse medical literature involving ED thoracotomy in Japan that I could find on Pubmed, it turns out that Japanese trauma centers aren't even mandated to have 24/7 operating room capability like we do here in the U.S. Things like Massive Transfusion Protocols with 10+ units of perishable blood products ready to go probably do not exist in most hospitals in Nara, which makes economical sense for a nation that rarely sees trauma of this nature.
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And then people commit the same atrocities all over again just with a twist. Also why it's so important to teach the bad as much as the good so people don't repeat the same shit. Something that many countries just never do a good job about.