Remo Williams

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Well Steam sales for one. That is a lot of money you are leaving off the table. Let's not act like their store is anything but shit, and DX12 is basically null at this point besides Microsoft touting it in their games.

Microsoft are willing to put their games on Steam, but in most cases you'll have to wait a year or two after they launch on Xbox and Windows 10. I don't think that's going to change.
 

danowat

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The lack of Mitubushi is quite a loss, especially combined with Toyota.

Has anyone done a "new to Forza" list from that car list?, I had a quick scan and can't see too many....
 
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The lack of Mitubushi is quite a loss, especially combined with Toyota.

Has anyone done a "new to Forza" list from that car list?, I had a quick scan and can't see too many....

New-to-francise Cars:
  • 1964 Austin FX4 Taxi
  • 1931 Bentley 4-1/2 Litre Supercharged
  • 1931 Bentley 8-Litre (First time playable, has been a hidden Autovista car in FM4)
  • 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon
  • 2018 Ford Mustang GT
  • 2017 Ford #14 Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing GRC Fiesta
  • 2017 Ford M-Sport Fiesta RS
  • 1964 Ford GT40 Mk I
  • 1959 Ford Anglia 105E
  • 1964 Jaguar Lightweight E-Type
  • 1973 Land Rover Range Rover
  • 2018 McLaren Senna
  • 2014 Mercedes-Benz Unimog U5023
  • 1958 Morris Minor 1000
  • 1962 Peel P50
  • 2017 Volkswagen #34 Volkswagen Andretti Rallycross Beetle
  • 1969 Volkswagen Class 5/1600 Baja Bug
  • 2016 Volvo Iron Knight
  • 1983 Volkswagen Golf GTI
Returning to XBOX ONE Cars:
  • 2012 Ascari KZ1R
  • 1965 Austin-Healey 3000 MKIII
  • 1958 Austin-Healey Sprite MkI
  • 2012 Eagle Speedster
  • 1966 MG MGB GT
  • 2010 Morgan Aero SuperSports
  • 1962 Triumph Spitfire
  • 2005 Vauxhall Monaro VXR

New-to-Horizon Cars :
  • 2017 Abarth 124 Spider
  • 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
  • 1934 Alfa Romeo P3
  • 1960 Aston Martin DB4GT Zagato
  • 2013 Audi RS 7 Sportback (Standard Edition, FH2 had it, but only with a XBOX Livery)
  • 1939 Auto Union Type D
  • 2009 BMW M5
  • 2008 BMW Z4 M Coupe
  • 2002 BMW Z3 M Coupe
  • 2018 Bugatti Chiron
  • 1926 Bugatti Type 35 C
  • 2013 Cadillac XTS Limousine
  • 1955 Chevrolet 150 Utility Sedan
  • 2018 Dodge Durango SRT
  • 2015 Honda Ridgeline Baja Trophy Truck
  • 2019 Hyundai Veloster N
  • 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk
  • 2018 Kia Stinger
  • 1939 Maserati 8CTF
  • 2015 Mercedes-Benz #24 Tankpool24 Racing Truck
  • 1958 MG MGA Twin-Cam
  • 2018 Porsche Cayenne Turbo
  • 2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS
  • 1998 Porsche 911 GT1 Strassenversion
  • 1971 Porsche #23 917/20
  • 2017 Ram 2500 Power Wagon
  • 2008 Volkswagen Touareg R50
  • 2014 Volkswagen Golf R
Returning cars that have either been missing from FM7 or FH3:
  • 2554 AMG Transport Dynamics M12S Warthog CST
  • 2015 Audi RS 6 Avant
  • 2015 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
  • 1946 Ford Super Deluxe Station Wagon
  • 2014 Morgan 3 Wheeler
  • 1972 Reliant Supervan III
  • 1967 Sunbeam Tiger
  • 1979 Talbot Sunbeam Lotus
 

Kapryov

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No Toyota Celica? :(
When is Toyota going to sort this shit out? Does it really matter if they license out cars that aren't even in production anymore?
 

danowat

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New-to-francise Cars:
  • 1964 Austin FX4 Taxi
  • 1931 Bentley 4-1/2 Litre Supercharged
  • 1931 Bentley 8-Litre (First time playable, has been a hidden Autovista car in FM4)
  • 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon
  • 2018 Ford Mustang GT
  • 2017 Ford #14 Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing GRC Fiesta
  • 2017 Ford M-Sport Fiesta RS
  • 1964 Ford GT40 Mk I
  • 1959 Ford Anglia 105E
  • 1964 Jaguar Lightweight E-Type
  • 1973 Land Rover Range Rover
  • 2018 McLaren Senna
  • 2014 Mercedes-Benz Unimog U5023
  • 1958 Morris Minor 1000
  • 1962 Peel P50
  • 2017 Volkswagen #34 Volkswagen Andretti Rallycross Beetle
  • 1969 Volkswagen Class 5/1600 Baja Bug
  • 2016 Volvo Iron Knight
  • 1983 Volkswagen Golf GTI
Returning to XBOX ONE Cars:
  • 2012 Ascari KZ1R
  • 1965 Austin-Healey 3000 MKIII
  • 1958 Austin-Healey Sprite MkI
  • 2012 Eagle Speedster
  • 1966 MG MGB GT
  • 2010 Morgan Aero SuperSports
  • 1962 Triumph Spitfire
  • 2005 Vauxhall Monaro VXR

New-to-Horizon Cars :
  • 2017 Abarth 124 Spider
  • 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
  • 1934 Alfa Romeo P3
  • 1960 Aston Martin DB4GT Zagato
  • 2013 Audi RS 7 Sportback (Standard Edition, FH2 had it, but only with a XBOX Livery)
  • 1939 Auto Union Type D
  • 2009 BMW M5
  • 2008 BMW Z4 M Coupe
  • 2002 BMW Z3 M Coupe
  • 2018 Bugatti Chiron
  • 1926 Bugatti Type 35 C
  • 2013 Cadillac XTS Limousine
  • 1955 Chevrolet 150 Utility Sedan
  • 2018 Dodge Durango SRT
  • 2015 Honda Ridgeline Baja Trophy Truck
  • 2019 Hyundai Veloster N
  • 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk
  • 2018 Kia Stinger
  • 1939 Maserati 8CTF
  • 2015 Mercedes-Benz #24 Tankpool24 Racing Truck
  • 1958 MG MGA Twin-Cam
  • 2018 Porsche Cayenne Turbo
  • 2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS
  • 1998 Porsche 911 GT1 Strassenversion
  • 1971 Porsche #23 917/20
  • 2017 Ram 2500 Power Wagon
  • 2008 Volkswagen Touareg R50
  • 2014 Volkswagen Golf R
Returning cars that have either been missing from FM7 or FH3:
  • 2554 AMG Transport Dynamics M12S Warthog CST
  • 2015 Audi RS 6 Avant
  • 2015 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
  • 1946 Ford Super Deluxe Station Wagon
  • 2014 Morgan 3 Wheeler
  • 1972 Reliant Supervan III
  • 1967 Sunbeam Tiger
  • 1979 Talbot Sunbeam Lotus
Awesome, thanks!
 

OmegaDL50

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The lack of a Supra and the Lexus LFA is somewhat disappointing but I'll deal with it. They weren't present in Forza 7 either.

Didn't Toyota say something about their brand appearing in video games dilutes it or something? If anything wouldn't it actually bring more attention to it. Sounds like an excuse to be honest.
 
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Forza Horizon 3 got reviews september 20 when the release of the ultimate was the 27.
I heard people got copies already. So i guess same thing now.
 

Reddaye

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The lack of a Supra and the Lexus LFA is somewhat disappointing but I'll deal with it. They weren't present in Forza 7 either.

Didn't Toyota say something about their brand appearing in video games dilutes it or something? If anything wouldn't it actually bring more attention to it. Sounds like an excuse to be honest.

The belief at Toyota is that driving cars in video games leads to people not wanting to buy cars in real life. As a longtime Toyota customer this is a pretty disappointing outcome. I'd love to drive Toyota vehicles in games, as well as real life.

Losing Mitsubishi is a big loss. I tend to really enjoy the rally style events in Horizon, and not having Mitsubishi is something I'll feel for sure.
 

m23

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Oct 25, 2017
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The belief at Toyota is that driving cars in video games leads to people not wanting to buy cars in real life. As a longtime Toyota customer this is a pretty disappointing outcome. I'd love to drive Toyota vehicles in games, as well as real life.

Losing Mitsubishi is a big loss. I tend to really enjoy the rally style events in Horizon, and not having Mitsubishi is something I'll feel for sure.

No way Toyota believes that lol.
 

OmegaDL50

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Vex

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Do we have an era group for these types of games? This will be the first Forza (that I owned). I plan on getting this for PC!
 

danowat

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That is just pure stupidity.

Edit: The article seems really old, maybe the mentality still lives though.
Whilst it may seem stupid on the face of it, there could be some basis of someone trying a car in a game and being put of purchasing said car because the virtual version didn't live up to their expectations I guess.
 
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One of the company Executives admitted to this and it's the reason why Toyota cars were basically removed in recent racing titles.

https://kotaku.com/5387350/toyota-exec-realistic-video-games-make-cars-unnecessary

Mind you this was back in 2009, so I don't think there is any correlation but the fact that most Toyota and Lexus production models are completely absent in Forza and other racing titles is odd.

This is Gran Turismo 6's (released in december 2013) list of Toyota cars:
  1. S Toyota 2000GT '67
  2. P Toyota 2010 Brian Vickers #83 Red Bull TOYOTA CAMRY '10
  3. P Toyota 2010 Denny Hamlin #11 FedEx TOYOTA CAMRY '10
  4. P Toyota 2010 Joey Logano #20 The Home Depot TOYOTA CAMRY '10
  5. P Toyota 2010 Kyle Busch #18 M&M'S® TOYOTA CAMRY '10
  6. S Toyota ALTEZZA AS200 '98
  7. S Toyota ALTEZZA Gita AS300 '01
  8. S Toyota ALTEZZA RS200 '98
  9. S Toyota ALTEZZA Touring Car
  10. S Toyota ARISTO 3.0V '91
  11. S Toyota ARISTO V300 '00
  12. S Toyota ARISTO V300 Vertex Edition '00
  13. S Toyota au CERUMO Supra (JGTC) '01
  14. S Toyota bB 1.5Z X Version '00
  15. S Toyota CALDINA GT-FOUR '02
  16. S Toyota CARINA ED 2.0 X 4WS '89
  17. P Toyota Castrol TOM'S SUPRA (JGTC) '97
  18. S Toyota Castrol TOM'S SUPRA (JGTC) '00
  19. S Toyota Castrol TOM'S SUPRA (JGTC) '01
  20. S Toyota CELICA 1600GT (TA22) '70
  21. S Toyota CELICA 2000GT-FOUR (ST165) '86
  22. S Toyota CELICA 2000GT-R (ST162) '86
  23. S Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR (ST205) '98
  24. S Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST185) '95
  25. P/S Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST205) '95
  26. S Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR RC (ST185) '91
  27. S Toyota CELICA GT-R (ST183, 4WS) '91
  28. S Toyota CELICA SS-II (ST202) '97
  29. S Toyota CELICA SS-II (ZZT231) '99
  30. S Toyota CELICA XX 2800GT '81
  31. S Toyota COROLLA LEVIN BZ-R '98
  32. S Toyota COROLLA LEVIN GT-APEX (AE86) '83
  33. S Toyota COROLLA Rally Car '98
  34. S Toyota COROLLA RUNX Z AEROTOURER '02
  35. S Toyota DENSO SARD SUPRA GT (JGTC) '00
  36. P Toyota FT-86 Concept '09
  37. P Toyota FT-86 G SPORTS Concept '10
  38. S Toyota GT-ONE Race Car (TS020) '99
  39. S Toyota ist 1.5S '02
  40. S Toyota MINOLTA Toyota 88C-V Race Car '89
  41. S Toyota MR2 1600 G '86
  42. S Toyota MR2 1600 G-Limited Super Charger '86
  43. S Toyota MR2 G-Limited '97
  44. S Toyota MR2 GT-S '97
  45. S Toyota MR2 Spyder '99
  46. S Toyota MR2 Spyder (6MT) '02
  47. S Toyota MR-S S Edition '99
  48. S Toyota MR-S V Edition (6MT) '02
  49. P Toyota PRIUS G '09
  50. S Toyota PRIUS G (J) '02
  51. S Toyota PRIUS G Touring Selection (J) '03
  52. S Toyota RSC '01
  53. S Toyota RSC Rally Raid Car
  54. S Toyota SERA '92
  55. S Toyota SOARER 2.5GT-T '97
  56. S Toyota SOARER 430SCV '01
  57. S Toyota SPORTS 800 '65
  58. S Toyota SPRINTER TRUENO BZ-R '98
  59. S Toyota SPRINTER TRUENO GT-APEX (AE86 Shuichi Shigeno Version) '00
  60. S Toyota SPRINTER TRUENO GT-APEX (AE86) '83
  61. S Toyota STARLET Glanza V '97
  62. S Toyota SUPERAUTOBACS APEX MR-S (JGTC) '00
  63. P/S Toyota SUPRA 2.5GT Twin Turbo R '90
  64. S Toyota SUPRA 3.0GT Turbo A '88
  65. S Toyota SUPRA RZ '97
  66. S Toyota SUPRA SZ-R '97
  67. S Toyota Tacoma X-Runner '04
  68. S Toyota Toyota 7 Race Car '70
  69. S Toyota VITZ F '99
  70. P Toyota VITZ RS 1.5 '00
  71. S Toyota VITZ RS 1.5 '07
  72. S Toyota VITZ RS Turbo '02
  73. S Toyota VITZ U Euro Sport Edition '00
  74. S Toyota VOLTZ S '02
  75. S Toyota WEDSSPORT CELICA (JGTC) '03
  76. S Toyota WiLL VS '01
  77. S Toyota WOODONE TOM'S SUPRA (JGTC) '03
  78. S Toyota Yaris F (J) '99
  79. S Toyota Yaris RS 1.5 (J) '00
  80. S Toyota Yaris RS Turbo (J) '02
  81. S Toyota Yaris U Euro Sport Edition (J) '00
  82. P Toyota YellowHat YMS Supra (SUPER GT) '05

That executive had no idea what he was talking about.

Some manufacturers still had hooks with their licensing like "you can put dents in our cars, but you're not allowed to roll one of our cars over" and then that doesn't work for most franchises. But I think even those are all gone now.
What's more likely is that Turn 10 has decided to throw out one manufacturer each year if they want too much money for the licensing or if working with them is too complicated. I remember hearing something about Bentley where they wanted absolute perfection in every tiniest detail, even more so than Ferrari. Then there are some license holders who just charge exorbitant sums compared to the average, like Suzuka for the circuit. I also heard a "rumor" that Italian manufacturers are cheaper for Kunos (Assetto Corsa), while Britishmanufacturers are cheaper for SMS (Project CARS).

Edit:
Whilst it may seem stupid on the face of it, there could be some basis of someone trying a car in a game and being put of purchasing said car because the virtual version didn't live up to their expectations I guess.
I remember Jeff Gerstmann saying that he tried his Lexus in Forza and that helped him make the decision to buy the car. My guess would be that most people look at the color and rim options and how nice the cockpit is (maybe the sound, though that wouldn't be very wise with most games today, Forza reuses engine noises a lot for different cars that have almost the same engine, but actually sound pretty different IRL)
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I only listen to the Classical station but am surprised to see only 12 tracks

Anyway, This and Spider-Man were and are my two most anticipated gmes this year and I absolutely cannot wait for this.
 

m23

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Halo Showcase event on Forza Monthly today starting at 1pm PST. Hopefully they announce a demo.
 

bshock

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No demo I suppose. Oh well, little over two weeks until the Ultimate Edition releases.