I'm just providing context for the other folks in the thread like you are attempting to about Marx.
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I'm just providing context for the other folks in the thread like you are attempting to about Marx.
I thought Marx was commonly taught in business because his views on society and economics are profound, irrefutable, and useful. You don't have to adopt any opinions on your view of your ideal society by learning about Marx, but you'd have to be kinda cruel to want to uphold the hierarchy of exploitation after understanding it.
Your argument (or conclusion?) is that we should not have debt?
As in, no one can take out a loan? So funding a project with a high fixed cost and lower variable cost isn't feasible anymore?
Nope, he's one of those learn in your own time philosophers.
Which is a shame because a. The books are fucking gigantic and b. They provide good insight.
Don't listen to the anti-Semitic Marx about capitalism. He was racist. Please keep subscribing to the entirely racist capitalism, though.
The point is that we have to create systems that support and uplift, not exploit and oppress.
at best this is semantics and at worst its a flat out lie.
maybe try and learn something instead of coming into this thread and using a handful of facts off google to condescend to those to your politcal left.
Maybe it's not common then, but anecdotally I know it does happen. Though it's more in the context of understanding how exploitation with capitalism works to better exploit with capitalism.
i did
i got called a bernie bro by the people of my own party and then they went on to lose to a reality tv star
No, it's that profit motive is not the only thing that defines what is valuable to society. Plenty of jobs/professions/roles have no or very little profit motive but are immensely valuable to society.
Right on!As someone who is striving and is successful in this current system, despite being born into poverty, I won't shed a tear if we adopted a better system than capitalism.
The divisiveness of the left is ruining us. That's again why I stan libertarian municipalism, because it is a deeply uniting form of political organizing and relating.
So all the tens of millions of people who are poor and in debt and fighting to not starve to death are just what? Lazy? Stupid?
Or are there may be some systemic issues in our society that make it essentially impossible for a large portion of this country to thrive, making your statement completely ridiculous?
I find the "burn it down" response to capitalism to be kind of missing the point.
I think we need to undermine capitalism and make it irrelevant. Unwind ourselves from our dependency on it, and commit ourselves to our interconnected wellbeing and liberation instead. Defeating capitalism will take relationships and community first and foremost.
I think we need to undermine capitalism and make it irrelevant. Unwind ourselves from our dependency on it, and commit ourselves to our interconnected wellbeing and liberation instead. Defeating capitalism will take relationships and community first and foremost.
At least you aren't living in a concentration camp in China because no one wants to disrupt the economy
Dude. We have concentration camps here. Part of the reason western liberal democracies have worked is because we oppress people outside our own nations, and subclasses within.
you don't have to be at the bottom of the capitalistic pyramid to dream of dismantling it.
Wouldn't work if that debt is student loan debt, which it likely is considering how much they are saying they have
This seems like it would be bad for your future capability to access credit and participate in the economic system, also a lot of debts legally can't even be cleared by bankruptcy because it was too favorable to people with crushing debt ruining their lives.
Well, if you're already rich, that's different. Bankruptcy is a great system for rich people. It's for poor people where it has some issues.
OP, no better way to express your frustration than attending the next meeting of your local DSA chapter: https://www.dsausa.org/chapters/
I personally find it much more fulfilling than being told by people in better economic situations that your debt is good for you, actually.
I personally find it much more fulfilling than being told by people in better economic situations that your debt is good for you, actually.
Hearing how much people are in debt with university makes me glad I decided to opt out of education after college. Getting my current car written off and having to buy a new one is bad enough.
Marx is very useful in teaching methodology in the field of history, even if just as a stepping stone to get to later methodological figures, so saying he should be kept the fuck out of schools is not accurate.
is this an unironical "consider the lobsters" or did I get wooshed?
Kirblar wouldn't know that because Kirblar hasn't read Marx. Like I took an American Minorities class once and it had Marx in it because talking about class is very important when understanding minority issues. Kirblar doesn't want Marx taught because he doesn't want people thinking about class because once people start thinking about class... well, you get threads like this. You also get threads like this because of the inherent contradictions within capitalism, too.
Eventually answering the question "Are better things possible?" by pointing to the USSR and China and exclaiming "is this what you want?!" isn't going to cut it anymore.
It's not limited to mistakes either. People can have their lives ruined because they got winged by a car or whatever.
Fuck Capitalism. I mean that is a pretty obvious statement to make as an ecologist, and realising that capitalist profit seeing logic is by far the biggest driver of destruction of the natural world at the moment.
Also fuck it, because I watched a documentary about forestry in France yesterday, and shitty capitalist logic has been shite forests across Europe for the last 50 years.
Also fuck it, because I watched a documentary about forestry in France yesterday, and shitty capitalist logic has been shite forests across Europe for the last 50 years.
Hell, the comprehensive exams portions of my doctorate ended up almost becoming impossible to prepare for due to a mix of a clerical error and an adviser acting in not the best faith left me stacked with a massive nearly-four digit fine in the entire university system's library system that I couldn't afford, locking me out of almost all library services. That could have ended up tanking my entire career over other mistakes that were entirely out of my hands.
Debt at the most basic is a promise of work.
Bartering is great, unless the other person doesn't have what you need. Debt makes multi party transactions easier to facilitate.
You aren't part of a minority group, are you?
Seeing capitalists attack consumerism is laughable.
Consumerism is necessary for capitalism to work the way it was intended to.
We need to change the idea that it is okay for a few people to accumulate disproportionate amounts of capital. This is no natural law, it is allowed by the mechanisms of society, and profoundly problematic in a world with limited resources, and where the more humans monopolise resources, the less there is for the rest of the web of life.
So I am for systems change, not climate change, and I can name many areas where better options exist, but are subjegated under the ideology of short term profiteering. There are so many other forms of profit aside from in capital terms. There is even stuff that makes economic sense, but institutions are too dumb to embrace it because they suffer from wasteful thinking.
So I am for systems change, not climate change, and I can name many areas where better options exist, but are subjegated under the ideology of short term profiteering. There are so many other forms of profit aside from in capital terms. There is even stuff that makes economic sense, but institutions are too dumb to embrace it because they suffer from wasteful thinking.
I dream about the world one day being covered in forests again
Fuck capitalism is what you say when you realize America literally used Nazis like Klaus Barbie to fight communists even though he was sentenced to death for war crimes by the French (the US was afraid that the French were infiltrated by communists).
Except it wasn't a mirage, we failed to give Obama what he needed to go maximum progress through congress and people had unfair expectations going in about how tough it is to get what he wanted making them disillusioned with the process entirely. It's preposterous to frame Obama as someone who got the absolute perfect circumstances to make the changes he wanted but didn't because he was either a liar or naive. Thinking like that would be detrimental to the very same circumstances happening if Bernie became president, he'd go through the exact same thing when everyone should know better by now.
Capitalists can not like parts of capitalism, that comes with having an ideology. It's not like socialists don't have issues with socialism.