So can you bring that one time when Israel as a State abided to a UN resolution to end conflict, arbitrary bombings or illegal settlements?
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Gal Gadot's views on Israel & Palestine - Your thoughts?
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So can you bring that one time when Israel as a State abided to a UN resolution to end conflict, arbitrary bombings or illegal settlements?
This is false. He IDF does not give 2 shits about civilian casualties.
so just because she's successful now means she's not to be criticized?
all of this won't matter in any meaningful way, she's not gonna lose any sleep over this, it's not gonna cost her any roles or any jobs. no one in hollywood is ever gonna be affected in any way for being pro-israeli.
1. Because she is Israeli. Check.
2. There is actually nothing wrong with endorsing peaceful IDF. Check.
3. Did you know Hamas? Check.
4. Because your are misogynysts. Check.
Yes indeed, there is nothing left. Who wants to open a thread in - let's say - a week from now?
But why? Hollywood is very liberal and most hardcore liberals dislike Israel.
when it comes to israel pretty much nothing makes sense, to me at least. this is the exception, i don't see any major hollywood stars having pro-palestinan views, or to say it better, expressing any pro-palestinian views.
did we have "it belonged to them anyway, arabs were the ones who took it by force" yet?
cause this thread isn't about them?
And yet, she is the sole target for this criticism, when many celebrities, including Seth Rogen and Sylvester Stallone have offered some sort of support for Israel.
Yet, Gal Gadot is the only constant in all of this. She also happens to have become a feminist icon as of late.
I'm sure its all coincidental.
maybe because she's become big news recently, being the star of a big movie. why bring up feminism? to say people who are criticizing her are anti-feminism? being a feminist doesn't mean believing no women can do any wrong.
You don't think Alt-Righters and Gamergaters are using this as an opportunity? Many people on boards, of which many members migrated here from, were furious that there was a female only screening of Wonder Woman. You don't think people who got offended by something so inconsequential and EARNED by half of the population would retaliate by making her look as bad as possible?
Did they tweet and post like Gadot in support of the IDF WHILE they were murdering innocent people too?
No? Then you have your answer
Yes? Then guess what, I would also boycott their movies/products too
she doesn't seem to need any help in making her look bad, she's doing quite well on her own.
the discussion in this thread has nothing to do with her gender, how her film was an important event for women, or any of that. and as i said, this isn't going to affect her career, so you don't need to worry about her
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What's your actual point? "You're only critical of her because she's a woman" or something, because that's evidently not the case for the resounding majority of the discussion here if you care to read it. "Here's people that have also done this thing you don't like!" Ok, cool. Not sure what your point is still.
Im not asking you for a list of people who ever had a concert in israel or did advertisements for israeli products
im asking you if any of those people were actively supporting the IDF, like Gadot, at the same time they were commiting murder
My point is that the thing your a criticizing her for seems pretty common among other people of fame, and yet, it ONLY comes up about HER.
If you don't find that weird, I question your morals.
If she was included with other celebrities, such as the ones featured in the article I posted, fine. But why is it so laser focused on HER?
If you don't find that weird, I question your morals.
If she was included with other celebrities, such as the ones featured in the article I posted, fine. But why is it so laser focused on HER?
i question your morals for trying to derail the discussion into a direction that it doesn't need to go, and also because you're not answering this
Pro-Israel is... pro-IDF.
If your question is if I can indicate other celebrities who have supported the IDF at the moment they were causing atrocities, no, I cannot.
But keep moving that goal post.
Calling Hamas a "terrorist organization" and leaving it at that is literally the most frustrating, baseline, empty thing you can say about the situation. Look at the numbers of who is dying. Look at the territory maps over the decades. Talk to or read about how Palestinian citizens feel about their homes being destroyed. This isn't some simple "THEY ARE BOTH BAD!!!" situation there's more nuance than that.
Derailing a thread about Gal Gadot's pro-israel stance about why people are obsessed with her pro-israel stance... uhmmm, ok. Saying something you don't agree with isn't derailing a thread, bucko.
"Shoot the hostage" is not an unheard of policy in high security areas including in America. Whether it's a bad policy or not is debatable, but Israel ain't unique here.
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Except you're off-mark and just saying absurdities. Read the discussion, engage with it or move on. We don't need people telling others that they're secretly mysogynists because of their views, or implying as much.
Create a different thread if you want to discuss the merits of that thought train.
but bringing up her gender, alt-right, feminism, misogyny, etc, is
it's a proven and effective tactic, and it will never stop being used. there is no legitimate answer to someone who talks about the things you said, so at that point all that's left to do is bring up hamas
Did I call anyone in this thread a misogynist? I merely indicated much of the criticism thrown her way could be due to misogyny.
Reading comprehension is fundamental.
They're hers and tainted by her culture and biases born from that. I don't care personally. It's no different to me than my ex-military Doge's supporting the US troops.
the jewish people existing does not justify them killing palestinians and occupying their land
assuming you're american, i think you would see things differently if native americans bulldozed your house and bathed your family in white phosphorous, regardless of how terribly they were treated in the past (and present)
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I edited to extend it to implying as much, which you are.
You really are quite unpleasant aren't you. Again, please keep to the discussion at hand or create your own about the whole "is this all about misogyny?" line of thinking. Not quite the one to be talking about reading comprehension when you're not discussing the topic at hand and insist on pushing your own agenda.
it doesn't only come up about her and whataboutism isn't a sufficient defense. it's laser focused on her at the moment because she's the star of one of the biggest movies of the year and that movie involves issues of war/pacifism and feminism, which are obviously deeply ingrained in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, and because Gadot's comments explicitly support the IDF and she was a member. when Seth Rogen reveals his secret IDF past and replaces Chris Evans as Captain America you will have a point. as it stands you're being willfully obtuse.
I'm having the same problem with Gal Gadot that I'm having with SW: Battlefront 2.
I love the universe, but I hate underlying the systems.
I'm afraid to support something I love because it feels like I'm being a hypocrite for also indirectly supporting something I hate. The dichotomy is crushing.
I love the universe, but I hate underlying the systems.
I'm afraid to support something I love because it feels like I'm being a hypocrite for also indirectly supporting something I hate. The dichotomy is crushing.
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Legitimate thank you for that. Had somehow evaded me all these years, appreciate you pointing that out.
if anything, they're the one's that should know how it feels to have your lands occupied, to be driven out of them, and to be killed for no reason. this whole thing is the biggest irony in history, the fact that they're doing to palestinians what they used as a reason to form their country.
My problem with defending her using the argument "not knowing that much because she was raised this way" is that no one here will use the exact argument when talking about american racists, and that's ok, because is a terrible argument to use really
As someone who lived in Lebanon for 16 years, going through multiple wars with Israel and listening to IDF planes soar in the skies as their bombs explode in Beirut and the surrounding area, yeah, it's all misogyny for me.
It wasn't "could be".
It was definite.
Say we were all misogynists, we've only targeted her because she is a woman, does it change the facts about her supporting the IDF and what the IDF have done to Palestinians?
It was definite.
Say we were all misogynists, we've only targeted her because she is a woman, does it change the facts about her supporting the IDF and what the IDF have done to Palestinians?
Now this, I don't think this is necessary. Support her all you want, she's an amazing actress and as our new mascot buffoon here has said, she spreads a positive message about female empowerment. Supporting someone who supports a government that perpetrates genocide doesn't make you indirectly support genocide - or otherwise you should be some sort of Israel-free vegan, boycotting anything that directly or indirectly has anything to do with Israel breeding violence. You don't have to get behind her in every issue to support her.
True, they are a terrorist organization who has fed on the desperation of their people to get away with crimes against their own people and citizens abroad. Not just a terrorist organization.
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