I wasn't going to buy any new games - skipped Unicorn Overlord, which I really wanted - but I saw this and bought ZAU to spite the douchebags. Not sure when I'll actually play it but it was worth the $27 Canadian anyway.
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GamerGate 2.0? Chuds furious about a consulting company named “Sweet Baby Inc” which overviews scripts to make sure nothing offensive was written
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I wasn't going to buy any new games - skipped Unicorn Overlord, which I really wanted - but I saw this and bought ZAU to spite the douchebags. Not sure when I'll actually play it but it was worth the $27 Canadian anyway.
Playing the final game on PS5 and it runs very well on Performance mode. I wish the resolution was little higher, but it's not very noticeable once you're in the heat of things.
Look, the last thing I wanna do is defend these dopes but they're not boycotting the game because it, specifically, has DEI; rather it's the game's relationship to Sweet Baby, Inc. - who I think were just tweeting about it. So yeah, it's still a bad look, but if we're going to be criticizing a dipshit movement, we can at least do it with accuracy.
Sweet Baby Inc is the new ethics in gaming journalism. That's just an excuse.
We all know what these people are.
Nah, it starts with
"A game/piece of media is starring a black character in general, let alone a lead character"
let alone any sort of "nuance" to go alongside the blatant racism. SBI is just the scapegoat and DEI is the 2024 version of "blacks/I wanna say the n word but i'm a fucking coward."
If you don't believe me, here's a pitch perfect example:
View: https://x.com/FandomMenaceLs_/status/1781138945423614423
It's as much about SBI as it was about ethics in journalism ten years ago. Which is how we arrived at the latest example where it's literally a game made by a black man, who's worked in the industry for years, and an indie studio, telling a story relevant to his personal life with a setting relevant to his heritage.
DEI="black characters in general"
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My question is how many of them are using this as a dogwhistle?
Was gonna wait for a potential GP addition but I'll just buy it. Fuck racist haters trying to bring this shit down.
This makes no sense considering the reason they're targeting SBI and games they've had a hand on in the first place is the DEI factor.
Yes I know we can read between the lines and make likely valid insinuations on their true intentions, but until they give hard evidence of their reasoning behind this specific thing, you have plenty of better examples of them being chuds, as Crossing Eden demonstrates.
I know I'm being overly pedantic here, I'm just sick of people I agree with getting the small details wrong and then seeing it spread like wildfire and used as examples of how wrong we are.
If you're boycotting something, you'll often extend that to anything associated with the target.
You're not being pedantic--you're simply not making any sense. Them targeting the game for the SBI connection is the same thing as them targeting it for DEI reasons. Why do you think they're singling out SBI in the first place?
It's honestly not a small detail because so many of them straight up told on themselves.
They were complaining about Zau BEFORE the SBI thing happened, it's the same crowd.
Not swallowing their bullshit is not getting the details wrong. These are the same people that are pretending Eiyuden Chronicles had anything to do with SBI when it didn't, because they want to hate that game too. So clearly, being correct and the actual presence of SBI isn't a requirement. It's almost like this is really about something else!
It's obvious to me at this point that these racists just want to keep minorities (in particular, black / brown people) outside of games by attempting to label every game associated with us as woke, it has nothing to do with anything else.
They want us to make our own shit, and when we do, they urge people to boycott. What the fuck. Is it so hard to just ignore it if you don't like it?
Could someone enlighten me if it was this bad when GTA SA was teased and released? I'm too young to remember, but was it given the pass since, I'm assuming here, over 95% of the dev team were white people? But even that does not make sense because games with minority leads now that are made in America are still developed by mostly white teams. I'm so lost.
They want us to make our own shit, and when we do, they urge people to boycott. What the fuck. Is it so hard to just ignore it if you don't like it?
Could someone enlighten me if it was this bad when GTA SA was teased and released? I'm too young to remember, but was it given the pass since, I'm assuming here, over 95% of the dev team were white people? But even that does not make sense because games with minority leads now that are made in America are still developed by mostly white teams. I'm so lost.
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You cannot win that game. There will always be some sort of caveat or slight mistake or goalpost-moving that will allow the chuds to claim victory. It's how all of this operates. It's not even about being right, it's about us being wrong thus proving their viewpoint is justified, because being incorrect invalidates their entire existence.
I mean... What does it really matter when their own consistency is non-existent? They aren't going to be swayed by "facts and logic" as much as they may claim to, because they're swayed entirely by emotion and their own status quo. Trying to be rational and 100% accurate down to the tiniest details with an opponent that will take that and throw it out the window is utterly pointless.
That being said I don't even really understand what you mean here either - SBI and DEI are basically interchangeable to them, where's the "inaccuracies"?
See, this is the type of thing you should be yelling about. And I believe you but I don't see any mention of that in this thread.
You, and the video someone else shared about Reverse Gish-Galloping, are probably right. It's a fruitless battle. So my bad on trying to point out a minor inconsistency.
"Make your own games" was always just an excuse. As far as these overgrown toddlers are concerned, they're the only audience there should ever be. The mere existence of queer or PoC creatives and narratives is like, gamer genocide to them. They whinge about games they wouldn't have been interested in to begin with because the "out group" shouldn't have anything the "in group" doesn't. Like showing up to a birthday party and declaring it your birthday party now because "I'm the big special boy and mommy says I get to do whatever I want 😌" type shit.
It's juvenile bullshit. Legitimately shameful and completely embarrassing. Never mind how a whole lot of the people supposedly invading their sacred escapist hobby have been playing fucking video games since before many of them were even born.
It's juvenile bullshit. Legitimately shameful and completely embarrassing. Never mind how a whole lot of the people supposedly invading their sacred escapist hobby have been playing fucking video games since before many of them were even born.
Nothing wrong with pointing it out, I get what you're saying because there are people who are making their entire personality hoping Stellar Blade will fail and all of that. In regards to the SBI list though, they people pushing it are 100% cowards who won't say it with their whole chest why they "hate" SBI/DEI so much.
Oh for sure, the writing's on the wall regarding their feelings towards minorities. What's bizarre to me is that they'll claim to hate the DEI pandering but then turn around and just revel in the Stellar Blade coomer panderverse. And while I do think the
I don't want to check that site out of principle, but if Tales of Kenzaru winds up on there without any mention of SBI, then that 100% just shits all over my previous point.
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This would be a fine argument if it was actually the case. The same person who created the Sweet Baby Inc. Detected list also created a website called DEIdetected.
Eiyuden Chronicle is listed in the Sweet Baby Inc. detected list but Sweet Baby did not work on it and *gasp* it links to DEIDetected's website. It says "TERRIBLE, political-driven western localization"
But why
SBI is literally just a voluntary consulting service.
The absolutely hilarious thing is that one of the bits of the localization the chuds are glomming onto as WOKE and TERRIBLE, is the word "chud" being used.
Irony so think you can bludgeon someone to death with it.
It's on PS+ Extra if you have that. I'm sure they'll appreciate the players even you can't buy it outright.
Don't have that. Hoping to get a PS5 by year's end. I have an Xbox but I can't spend $20 right now, but it's going on my wishlist so I don't forget.
I guess the context wasn't enough indication that I was referring to Stellar Blade here. I should probably know better.
Thank you!
As I said, multiple people have been telling on themselves regarding Zau for ages. SBI is just a new buzzword.
Ok we need to address this because the fuck?
Stop taking them at their word, they are lying through their teeth, there is nothing to be "more accurate" on because they don't give a fuck about anything but hating women, queer people, and minorities.
Oh that makes way more sense haha. Sorry for the misunderstanding
Edit: thanks for editing the post!
Oh come on. These are bigots through and through. Who gives a fuck what reason they claim they want to boycott something? They hate POC, women and LGBTQIA people. That's it. That's always the only reason.
And it's not like the reason they give is anything but a bigoted one either. Forced diversity? Considering woke to be a bad thing? These are all bigoted reasons.
This, there is genuinely no reason to entertain semantics in this regard. We're talking about the crowd that thinks a consulting company forced a developer to make a character black and that Mark Kern isn't a grifter.
Trying to delineate between SBI and DEI seems silly when there was the conspiracy theory that SBI was a vehicle of Blackrock and Vanquard to force companies to institute DEI to get good ESG ratings so their stock price isn't negatively affected… or some kind of similar nonsense.
Like it's just a bunch of nonsense buzzwords to obfuscate that it's a hate campaign to push white supremacist values. You care more about the "specifics" than they do.
Like it's just a bunch of nonsense buzzwords to obfuscate that it's a hate campaign to push white supremacist values. You care more about the "specifics" than they do.
Oh lord, I'd totally forgotten about those first couple days when it was all a VC conspiracy to force diversity in order to float stock prices. This insanity didn't even start with something as grounded as "ethics in game journalism", it started with whacko Alex Jones-level crap and then went straight to blatant racism.
NPR's 'All Things Considered' did a nice segment on ZAU today.
Per Sweet Baby Inc's website:
Saying that Sweet Baby Inc pushes DEI isn't exactly a conspiracy theory per se, it's a reversal of roles. Sweet Baby Inc doesn't have the power to push that interest on its clients, but it absolutely works to promote diversity, equity, and inclusion in gaming. Companies work with them specifically because they want to do that.
So trying to differentiate between being anti-SBI and anti-DEI is simply muddying the conversation in pointless semantics. DEI is what what SBI does. Unless you're specifically critical of SBI for failing to align with its own mission, which isn't an angle we've heard, the primary reason to target SBI is to stop them from accomplishing that mission.
"Founded in 2018, Sweet Baby Inc. is a narrative development and consultation studio based in Montreal and working around the globe. Our mission is to tell better, more empathetic stories while diversifying and enriching the video games industry. We aim to make games more engaging, more fun, more meaningful, and more inclusive, for everyone."
Saying that Sweet Baby Inc pushes DEI isn't exactly a conspiracy theory per se, it's a reversal of roles. Sweet Baby Inc doesn't have the power to push that interest on its clients, but it absolutely works to promote diversity, equity, and inclusion in gaming. Companies work with them specifically because they want to do that.
So trying to differentiate between being anti-SBI and anti-DEI is simply muddying the conversation in pointless semantics. DEI is what what SBI does. Unless you're specifically critical of SBI for failing to align with its own mission, which isn't an angle we've heard, the primary reason to target SBI is to stop them from accomplishing that mission.
Just bought ZAU to show the people involved some support even if my backlog is huge right now.
The Zau discussions on Steam continue to be filled with posts about SBI. Some of the earliest and the first contain blatant and vile lies, with the replies still in place two months since they were posted. EA also posted multiple times in the thread, so their inaction shows they are just as complicit in this as Valve.
So in light of the most recent stuff with Stellar Blade and the "hard R" stuff, Someone pointed this out on twitter
in short they literally took one accidental slur out and replaced it with another slur. Wait until this GG crowd gets to it.
in short they literally took one accidental slur out and replaced it with another slur. Wait until this GG crowd gets to it.
This is a random urban dictionary post with 35 upvotes, let's chill out here
They must not have anyone on the art team who speaks English because there is nothing more absurd than imagining graffiti tags with literal bubble letters that just say "Crime" and "Hard". I'd call them AI generated but even the worst AI would pick better words than that
I literally never heard anyone use that term before and Urban Dictionary is not really an authoritative source on this since users can add any random term they think up of.
