If the single player campaign (i.e. the actual game) doesn't require a PSN account, then this seems like a very, very silly thing to do
Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut has been delisted on Steam in countries where PSN isn't available
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They certainly can, but that wouldn't be ready overnight even if they wanted to
The ToS is meaningless, even in this forum tons of US users also have Japanese accs
This is why I always felt weird about the Helldivers 2 thing blowing up. Making out of region accounts may have been against Sony's ToS but it was always an unenforced rule. Obviously, the ideal solution here would be for Sony to get off their asses and support these countries but when do corporations ever do the right thing? The Helldivers controversy placed the eye of Sauron on players from outside of supported regions who probably would have been able to fly under the radar and continue playing the game quite easily, even if it wasn't ideal. Although, to reiterate: Fuck Sony.
They aren't going to let folks buy a game where they can't access the online portion of it.
Granted, they probably should have, however, allowed folks to buy a version of GoT that was SP only.
Though I'm not even sure how you would price it, cause Legends was free, it was only paid as a standalone version.
There's a strong difference between something being allowed and something they overlook when convenient.
Or they could just drop their PSN requirement altogether.
There's many ways to do it the right way. They choosed the wrong one.
It doesn't matter what an individual does with their adherence to the ToS, but as a company Sony and Valve absolutely need to abide by both the local laws and their own rules, and it just so hapens that PSN's ToS both has a clause that forbids making out-of-region accounts, and some regions aren't supported by the service so people can't make a local account there. Again, it doesn't matter if individuals can break the ToS and make accounts anyways, legally speaking if the ToS says that you can't make out-of-region accounts and a game requires you to have an account for a service that you formally can't actually register for, preventing people from buying the game in those regions and losing that revenue may be preferable to the alternative of opening up the ToS to legal scrutiny or straight up being in violation of local laws.
It has been this way for longer than a decade, why give them any benefit of the doubt here
This.
I still can't believe that thread.
Folks that are actually affected by that shit never even cared.
PSN has been unsupported in my country for years but that never stopped me for doing shit.
You can have multiple throwaway accounts, like it's not even a barrier in any shape or form.
It's been overlooked for years but all of a sudden one tiny requirement and a massive reaction from people it most likely would not even affect.
Rubbish imo.
Yes, this would have been a smart thing to do. But obviously it's more money and work.
Then remove the rules if they aren't enforcing it or change the system so users in non supported country have a row option but they can't or don't want to do that. Having clarity re the TOS is good for both consumers and companies.
I don't think we are going to agree here so my last reply.
It might be the overlay thingy.
Yeah, we can be pissed at more than one party here. While the root of the problem is Sony and PSN being how they are, it's also inarguable that had a bunch of bad faith Helldivers 2 players not disingenuously use the only excuse they could(while not being from said countries themselves) things would be business as usual.
They could but i reckon sellers aren't particularly interested in selling a game that might get them in trouble with regulators for selling a half functioning product.
You keep saying this yet I can create an account elsewhere on near every other service/platform/store/subscription AND spend money
I am sorry for you but tying game from one service that supports your country to other service that doesn't is risk that people shouldn't take. you are compromising copy of the game bought on Steam and many people don't understand that. You and I maybe know what is issue and other enthusiasts but there are al lot of people who don't. There are also people who would buy game on Steam and saw that they need account for Legends and try to create account and see that they can't pick their country and go and ask for refund. There is a lot of issues and again i am sorry for you and anyone else who doesn't care about those issues but they are still issues that can't just be dusted under the rag, they need to solve them. Better now than year later where they can caouse more issues.
How do they get away with selling an incomplete game in those countries for the same price then. They're too lazy to deal with issues like this.
I think this is what happened literally
1: Sony didnt care at all about the PSN region problem because since a decade or more ago people has been creating PSN accounts easily without problem, so they thought everyone would do the same when they started to ask for psn account requirement
2: backlash happened as they implemented the psn account requirement in helldivers 2 after 3 month of the game being released, people of course would be angry, backlash happened, sony reversed
3: with the backlash sony realized that there could be consequences in this psn account implementation as in the future could be legal problem as they cant just go and sell games in countries where there isnt psn support and at the same time ask for a psn account even if it is easy to create one with another country in the selection process
4: Now sony is just cutting the problem even before day one, any game that have any sort of online component and at the same time have the psn account requirement will not be listed in those countries, problem solved
5: is possible as well that sony made some calculations or whatever process they do and made the conclusion that all those countries dont represent a big amunt of MAU or Sales.
Now, nobody knows if sony will made psn support available in those countries, if you ask me, is veeeery difficult as they havent done that before after all these years, only time will tell
EDIT 1: Maybe even single player games from Sony coming to PC are going to be delisted as well because is possibly that every future single player game from PlayStation will start to have this "overlay" with psn that have trophies, friend list etc... so in that case is 100% required to have the psn account requirement, even if it is optional then sony will delist those games in those countries
1: Sony didnt care at all about the PSN region problem because since a decade or more ago people has been creating PSN accounts easily without problem, so they thought everyone would do the same when they started to ask for psn account requirement
2: backlash happened as they implemented the psn account requirement in helldivers 2 after 3 month of the game being released, people of course would be angry, backlash happened, sony reversed
3: with the backlash sony realized that there could be consequences in this psn account implementation as in the future could be legal problem as they cant just go and sell games in countries where there isnt psn support and at the same time ask for a psn account even if it is easy to create one with another country in the selection process
4: Now sony is just cutting the problem even before day one, any game that have any sort of online component and at the same time have the psn account requirement will not be listed in those countries, problem solved
5: is possible as well that sony made some calculations or whatever process they do and made the conclusion that all those countries dont represent a big amunt of MAU or Sales.
Now, nobody knows if sony will made psn support available in those countries, if you ask me, is veeeery difficult as they havent done that before after all these years, only time will tell
EDIT 1: Maybe even single player games from Sony coming to PC are going to be delisted as well because is possibly that every future single player game from PlayStation will start to have this "overlay" with psn that have trophies, friend list etc... so in that case is 100% required to have the psn account requirement, even if it is optional then sony will delist those games in those countries
What did EA do? I must have missed that news.this week has been wild with corporate stupidity
From what I understand, it's not that simple due to taxes being different in every country. Sony could get in serious trouble if they said "sure, just make an account in another region".
Also has the knock on effect of preventing any possible store abuse just in case.
Yes you can and this break the TOS but it has nothing to do with how you can create an account from another country or region or not. You can create an EU account when you live in USA and still find a way to pay using credit card or other methods involving bank transactions but in many of those countries you can't pay anything like that. You can create an account from other stores but the only way to fill a wallet is by buying fund cards from the specific country you created the account from and pay x times its original prices from local stores who are mostly smugglers trying to make personal profit witjout being monitored by the country. Trust I know what I am talking about. It is harsh dealing with such.
You forgot considering in-game ads.
lol...
I thought why is Japan not supported.
I guess that was another mistake by SIE, Japan is now gone from the unsupported list.
Amateurs...
EDIT:
Same was true about Estonia, and maybe more.
I thought why is Japan not supported.
I guess that was another mistake by SIE, Japan is now gone from the unsupported list.
Amateurs...
EDIT:
Same was true about Estonia, and maybe more.
Are people who preordered the game still allowed to keep their copies? Or will Steam auto refund.
they probably just copy and pasted the HD2 list and forgot to remove Japan from it
I don't have a problem with that, but using gen AI really irritates me.
Of course they did. Many including myself said this is exactly what is going to happen. I can't even say this is a major self own by the HD2 gamers cz most of those who will be impacted gave no shits about the PSN requirement anyways. I feel bad for them but until Sony actually expands PSN for those regions they will continue to do this. They can't just say ok its fine ignore TOS officially either and anyone who is suggesting that is being ignorant as fuck.
lol at people acting shocked and blaming Sony here. Corporations suck ass but let's not delude ourselves here. Logically this is the correct path to follow for them now until they expand the store access to more regions, which I'm sure has its own hurdles and challenges...and will take a long time.
lol at people acting shocked and blaming Sony here. Corporations suck ass but let's not delude ourselves here. Logically this is the correct path to follow for them now until they expand the store access to more regions, which I'm sure has its own hurdles and challenges...and will take a long time.
It's a risk that a fuckon of console gamers have taken and continue to take for years.
They are given a choice and they can take a decision based on it, people aren't stupid.
A fuckon of consoles are sold outside 'supported territories' too.
Do I want Sony to fix their backend shit? Yes
But that has never stopped tons. I'd rather be given a choice than outright denial that's happening here.
lots of suspicious comments about AI and talk of adding IRL ads to games
Just glancing at the Helldivers 2 discussion on Steam, it's clear why. It's platform wars nonsense again, only this time it's some elitist PC players vs "console plebs".
Sony games always have different packages in Japan (except Ratchet and Clank for some reason?), I think its the same thing here and the game isn't actually blocked in Japan.
Horizon Forbidden West for example.
It won't stop people to play games now either, many of those people will just pirate game.
Remember that with Ghost of Tsushima, they also introduced the PSN overlay, which is likely to be included in all their future games. But well, after this mess they will probably make a build without those features for their upcoming games.
Agreed.
If corporations could just be this reasonable, kind and remove rules because people in third world countries could play their games. Lol.
They care about which people give them the most money and attention and their 'rules' are enforced based upon that. You know, I know that Sony or any other corp. won't do it cause they are doing it so that they can get out of jail when they get into trouble regarding this topic and use their ToS as an excuse. So sorry this just isn't how reality works.
It is not a 'risk'. Not in this world we live in. Its also a thing where we are at the mercy of these powerful, rich corps. With all digital now a days, our money and 'play rights' are solely in the hands of these. You take what you can get. Making a simple PSN account to go through with playing a game is an easy and 'riskfree' task.
Also no offense but 'feeling sorry' doesn't change the situation. So keep your sorry lol.
And now the cause and effect of this is going to result in more illegal and unauthorised copies of the game thanks to all of this horeshit.
when the psn account requirement for helldivers was announced, there was backlash almost inmediatly online, right now there isnt any kind of backlash for this online, or at least I am not seeing one, even you reading people in this forum you are seeing that most of them are accepting that this is a consequence of possibly legal issues or people just accepting it, "it is what it is" I mean, people is more calm, i think this really shows that the backlash for helldivers was just people really not wanting to create a psn account, that being reversed, people dont care anymore about this countries being delisted at all, thats the sentiment i am reading right now, but as I said, i am not seeing any kind of backlash online
I don't know why Sony can't make the Legends multiplayer a separate SKU on PC like they did on PSN.
Because it is the Director's Cut, and the Director wanted PSN with multiplayer
/jk
