Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut has been delisted on Steam in countries where PSN isn't available

[Wereroku]

Yes, it's all on the gamerz. Definitely not on the dumb corporation who couldn't leave well enough alone and started requiring a crappy account that no one wants on PC.

They could end this immediately by just going back to selling games without that stupid account attached.

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I mean it is all on gamerz not wanting link a PSN id. That's just the truth of the matter. Is it silly for Sony to cut out countries solely to have a PSN account requirement? I believe so but trying to at like this is not directly related to the HD2 situation is silly. If not for that then none of these countries would have been removed.

Any decent company would release official statement explaining situation and what are their next steps are. Just going out and removing option for purchase with 0 explanation is just showing how arrogant they are.

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It's not arrogance it's PR. Making any statement on this is going to have little to no effect on articles or PC folks opinions. Coming out with a statement explaining everything isn't going to make everyone all of a sudden be ok with everything. It will basically do nothing a is a waste of time.

 

[Jbone115]

This was the inevitable outcome of the extremely dumb HD2 situation, people complain it was added "retroactively", well now it's not going to be.

Anyone blaming only Sony without any introspection are conveniently ignoring the decade of precedence of Sony not caring about ToS

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Naw, the buck stops with Sony here. Trying to blame consumers for using their very limited voices to campaign against an added mandatory account requirement is kinda gross honestly.

 

[Mudcrab]

Yep, this is definitely the fault of the players, not the international megacorporation that somehow can't figure out how to make their account system work internationally, and suddenly decided to refuse to sell their games without it.

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There's an awful lot of anger in this thread directed at people who called out a practice they didn't like (required PSN for HD2) and voted with their wallets/review scores. 100% of the blame for this situation lies with Sony.

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Sony can fix all of this on it's own by just making it optional for the consumer but goobers would rather play defense for their favorite billion dollar entity and the need to inflate MAU numbers

 

[cowbanana]

I mean it is all on gamerz not wanting link a PSN id. That's just the truth of the matter. Is it silly for Sony to cut out countries solely to have a PSN account requirement? I believe so but trying to at like this is not directly related to the HD2 situation is silly. If not for that then none of these countries would have been removed.

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And which is the sole entity that put all of this into motion? The one entity that could end it? It's all on Sony. No one else. Everything else is a secondary reaction to the shit Sony is pulling.

 

[fallout]

Yes, it's all on the gamerz. Definitely not on the dumb corporation who couldn't leave well enough alone and started requiring a crappy account that no one wants on PC.

They could end this immediately by just going back to selling games without that stupid account attached. Then they could continue selling games to the whole world on Steam.

It's a self inflicted wound on Sony's part that's bleeding all over people who didn't deserve it.

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Ghost of Tsushima has a part of it that requires a PSN account. Stupid or not, it does. The argument was that Sony shouldn't have the game available for sale in countries where people can't sign up for PSN. This fixes that.

Should Sony just drop the PSN requirement? Yeah, probably, but I also don't see that realistically happening. Same way I don't see Rockstar, Ubisoft, EA, Paradox, etc. dropping it either. It sucks, but people got the result they wanted.

 

[KalBalboa]

Are we getting lax with the pro piracy stuff on Era now?

 

[CosmiKu]

That's 2/3 of the big console makers showing their anus in May.

 

[CognitiveAtrophy]

Well good luck Sony, you need PC market more than PC market needs your games, especially 2-3 year old ports.

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Considering how outside of extreme fringe cases, their games sell practically nothing on the platform, I doubt this is true. Their MO has always been to get people into their ecosystem.

 

[Raysoul]

The sad thing about this is Sony won't even give a fuck because we can't review bomb the game and they won't even care about our market because sales on our countries don't matter much.

 

[Pargon]

What the hell are you doing Sony?

Remove the PSN requirement/integration, rather than removing the game from sale.

 

[Twig]

And which is the sole entity that put all of this into motion? The one entity that could end it? It's all on Sony. No one else. Everything else is a secondary reaction to the shit Sony is pulling.

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There were a lot of people - gamerz, as you might call them - in the midst of their hissy fits, shouting that if Sony was going to require the PSN, they shouldn't have sold to people who couldn't use PSN, and that was the main Good Guy example of how Sony absolutely FUCKED UP!!!

Well, they got what they asked for. Sony stopped selling in those regions. Now those hissy fits are over, because they didn't actually give a shit in the first place. They were just mad about having to... make an account.

And now the people who are actually affected by this don't matter, because they're the minority.

 

[Kinthey]

Embarrassing behavior by Sony

 

[MZZ]

This was bound to happen once Sony realized they don't want to advertise off region account creation any more than they are before. Because you know they'll get in trouble.

But holy shit man. People in here saying our money dont matter and its okay lol

This better not escalate even more cause I'm scared as shit for my account. Hope they're working on finding a solution.

If only those people who used our predicament to protest account linking would gamers rise up. I bet they wont because they got what they want. We hear you!

 

[Thrill_house]

Yeah sounds about right. I really wanted to try legends but I'm good. I played the sp on my ps4 that was good enough. Looks like I'll just skip their multiplayer games going forward. If they are doing this they aren't going to give up on the psn requirement for all their multi stuff, which is within their right. Just like its within ours to not give them a purchase

 

[DieH@rd]

I thought sony dropped the psn thing?

Was that just for helldivers?

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A lot of people think Sony is reaponsible for H2 delisting, but most likely for both games this was done by Steam.

 

[Red Kong XIX]

The sad thing about this is Sony won't even give a fuck because we can't review bomb the game and they won't even care about our market because sales on our countries don't matter much.

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There is a good chance that people will review bomb it from the countries where PSN is available, since they need an account there too to play the multiplayer. But I don't think it will be as big as Helldivers 2. Especially since this doesn't have the "rug pull" vibe to it.

 

[Raysoul]

There is a good chance that people will review bomb it from the countries where PSN is available, since they need an account there too to play the multiplayer. But I don't think it will be as big as Helldivers 2. Especially since this doesn't have the "rug pull" vibe to it.

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Somebody write a negative review for us even if you enjoy the game thanksssssss

 

[Saucycarpdog]

Are we getting lax with the pro piracy stuff on Era now?

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Point to one post advocating for piracy as opposed to acknowledging that piracy happens when people have no alternatives.

 

[Kinthey]

"Play has no limits"

How does sony keep picking the worst slogans?

 

[spacer]

It sucks, but it's the most sensible solution unfortunately. Sony wants to grow their PSN numbers, and it's their game. So, if they want to require PSN for part of the game or the whole thing, that's their prerogative.

To me the correct solution would be to split out Legends mode into a separate game. Sell the single-player game everywhere, and sell Legends in regions that have PSN access. But then you have to have a discussion about prices. So, it's not a perfect solution, but at least that way more people get to play the (amazing) single-player game.

 

[Kyougar]

That Consequence you are talking about, has a tiny chance of happening actually. It is minute enough to ignore. The only ones who take these things seriously are first world people.

Headlines for smaller countries do little to move the needle for a rich corporate company. Their bottom line matters. Thats the end for them.

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No the people who take this thing seriously are the legal partners of Sony who told them that this shit can't continue.

 

[Shoichi]

Guessing this is Sony's stance going forward. If PSN is not available in the country of user, game will be not available to purchase through Steam's store if a game has any sort of PSN account requirement. Even if in a case like Helldivers 2 the PSN account requirement is lifted.

People in un-supported regions can break TOS to create PSN accounts, but Steam is pretty picky (from my understanding) on region-switching accounts which would block purchasing something out-of-region.

 

[wiIdcard]

Sony never cared about supporting these countries with ps3, ps4, ps5. Let's see if they continue to ignore them even on steam.

 

[Pargon]

A lot of people think Sony is reaponsible for H2 delisting, but most likely for both games this was done by Steam.

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I don't know why anyone would assume it's Valve doing this and not Sony, when we have zero information about it.

 

[404LinkNotFound]

This time we didn't even have the choice to use an out of region account.

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I love it when large companies pretend we dont exist

 

[reksveks]

How does sony keep picking the worst slogans?

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"Do no evil" but that was an internal mantra.

 

[AshenOne]

No the people who take this thing seriously are the legal partners of Sony who told them that this shit can't continue.

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And that means that they can keep things out of these countries 'until PSN is available in them'.

An age old company like Sony which believes that only those countries should be supported in which they have their physical centers in, isn't going to relist or list them in these smaller countries in the future aside from far few.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Are we getting lax with the pro piracy stuff on Era now?

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No one here is saying people should pirate the game. They are saying doing stuff like this will lead to more people pirating the game and that's Sony's problem if they're not willing to officially support PC gamers in these countries.

 

[Kyougar]

And that means that they can keep things out of these countries 'until PSN is available in them'.

An age old company like Sony which believes that only those countries should be supported in which they have their physical centers in, isn't going to relist or list them in these smaller countries in the future aside from far few.

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They are releasing on third party stores. This shit doesn't fly, the stores have their own legal obligations.
They can do that in their own store, but when they sell on other stores, they share the legal burden with those stores.

 

[A.J.]

There were a lot of people - gamerz, as you might call them - in the midst of their hissy fits, shouting that if Sony was going to require the PSN, they shouldn't have sold to people who couldn't use PSN, and that was the main Good Guy example of how Sony absolutely FUCKED UP!!!

Well, they got what they asked for. Sony stopped selling in those regions. Now those hissy fits are over, because they didn't actually give a shit in the first place. They were just mad about having to... make an account.

And now the people who are actually affected by this don't matter, because they're the minority.

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People are allowed to not want to make a PSN account. I personally have one, but I get why other people don't want to make one.

 

[Twig]

People are allowed to not want to make a PSN account. I personally have one, but I get why other people don't want to make one.

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Agreed! Doesn't change anything I said, though.

 

[dex3108]

Just to make things clear this is not Valve doing things. Game is not available in these regions on Epic Store either. And we all know how Sweeney is eager to stick it to the Valve so if this was Valve doing it game would be avaliable on Epic Store and basically be exclusive.

 

[Static]

Are we getting lax with the pro piracy stuff on Era now?

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Breaking TOS to play a game you bought and paid full fucking price for on the platform you bought it on in a way that doesn't give you access to content you have not paid for is piracy now?

EDIT: I assume this is actually about a post on the previous page suggesting that greater piracy may be an outcome but that is some unquoted context and a big stretch.

 

[Clippy]

Saying "see what you did, Gamers?" when a huge corporation is doing something is baffling to me.

 

[Kinthey]

There were a lot of people - gamerz, as you might call them - in the midst of their hissy fits, shouting that if Sony was going to require the PSN, they shouldn't have sold to people who couldn't use PSN, and that was the main Good Guy example of how Sony absolutely FUCKED UP!!!

Well, they got what they asked for. Sony stopped selling in those regions. Now those hissy fits are over, because they didn't actually give a shit in the first place. They were just mad about having to... make an account.

And now the people who are actually affected by this don't matter, because they're the minority.

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I have my doubts anyone was asking for Sony to stop selling their games in those regions. People asked for the account linking to not be mandatory which is a completely fine request to make. That Sony reacted like a little toddler taking their ball and going home is on Sony and no one else.

 

[Sotonian]

All this shit just so Sony can point at a line going up on the PSN MAU graph at there quarterly meetings

 

[Static]

Saying "see what you did, Gamers?" when a huge corporation is doing something is baffling to me.

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[Twig]

I have my doubts anyone was asking for Sony to stop selling their games in those regions. People asked for the account linking to need be mandatory which is a completely fine request to make. That Sony reacted like a little toddler taking their ball and going home is on Sony and no one else.

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I understand your doubts because it's an incredibly stupid thing to ask for. But also I definitely saw it firsthand on multiple fronts, and saw tweets about it and all kinds of dumb shit. Not a direct "hey delist this" but definitely a "hey sony you're selling this game where people can't play it", and Sony reacted exactly as you'd expect a giant corporation to react. They fixed the problem in the cheapest way possible.

These unsupported regions were used as ammunition by a bunch of people who couldn't tolerate the idea of making another account to get Sony to back off, and these people got what they wanted, everything else be damned. It was never about those countries. It was only about the account requirement.

It is naive at best to believe these people actually cared about those countries. Otherwise they'd still be review-bombing.

 

[Krazie]

Sony just stumbling their way into the PC space without a clue, it seems.

Hopefully they figure it out before more day one games start to launch on PC.

 

[Precious Tritium]

I have my doubts anyone was asking for Sony to stop selling their games in those regions. People asked for the account linking to need be mandatory which is a completely fine request to make. That Sony reacted like a little toddler taking their ball and going home is on Sony and no one else.

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I guarantee you this is related to the fact that people can ask these stores for refunds and they have proved they will grant them because customers can point to the ToS and that they aren't able to make a PSN account to play parts of the game they paid for.

Sony wants people to buy the game that obviously has a way higher monetary value than signing up for PSN, but they either have to update stuff on their backend to make that possible or in the case of GoT update the game. In Helldivers 2 case it was apparently easy to turn off, no idea how GoT Multiplayer was designed but wouldn't be shocked if it was a fix that took more than a couple weeks to fix and test. Either that, or remove the multiplayer mode from the sku offered in effected regions. Regardless of what it is, it's probably something that takes more than a few days to figure out. They should have seen this coming but they were clearly fine with people fibbing about their location for PSN up until they could use it as a way to get their money back.

 

[Kinthey]

I understand your doubts because it's an incredibly stupid thing to ask for. But also I definitely saw it firsthand on multiple fronts, and saw tweets about it and all kinds of dumb shit. Not a direct "hey delist this" but definitely a "hey sony you're selling this game where people can't play it", and Sony reacted exactly as you'd expect a giant corporation to react. They fixed the problem in the cheapest way possible.

These unsupported regions were used as ammunition by a bunch of people who couldn't tolerate the idea of making another account to get Sony to back off, and these people got what they wanted, everything else be damned. It was never about those countries. It was only about the account requirement.

It is naive at best to believe these people actually cared about those countries. Otherwise they'd still be review-bombing.

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Pointing out the flaw in Sony demanding PSN accounts for countries they don't even support is still not a call for Sony to delist those games. Especially when it makes no more sense at all to delist Helldivers 2 considering they dropped the mandatory PSN account. The blame for reacting the worst way possible lies with no one but Sony

 

[Wereroku]

No one here is saying people should pirate the game. They are saying doing stuff like this will lead to more people pirating the game and that's Sony's problem if they're not willing to officially support PC gamers in these countries.

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I mean Sony has never used Denuvo or anything like that so they probably realize that will happen and want to have PSN integration more.

Pointing out the flaw in Sony demanding PSN accounts for countries they don't even support is still not a call for Sony to delist those games. Especially when it makes no more sense at all to delist Helldivers 2 considering they dropped the mandatory PSN account. The blame for reacting the worst way possible lies with no one but Sony

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I mean if it were that easy for them to expand the network they would have probably done it at this point. Clearly there is something else going on probably having to do with the absolutely terrible version of PSN that is on PS3 and Vita. I am more surprised that Sony didn't just make a new system just for their PC games.

 

[MZZ]

What's funny is digital edition PS5 was available to us officially. Can't see one in stock right now though.

Oh and what's more funny is I am from one of those countries and I have linked my PSN with steam. No problem. It's chill. Didn't take more than a couple minutes. Just can't buy the game anymore I guess.

Returnal offered account linking, and it didn't trigger sony from removing that from these regions. Maybe they should. Might as well at this point.

I'm mad cause I wanted to double dip on GoT on PC.

 

[Light Valyis]

Naw, the buck stops with Sony here. Trying to blame consumers for using their very limited voices to campaign against an added mandatory account requirement is kinda gross honestly.

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I'm tired of people living in a pretend world and not in reality where the average individual has no say against mega corporations, this was a lost fight long ago. In reality outrage caused mega Corp to respond, let sleeping beasts lie and all that

 

[Lashley]

People defending Sony feels very "I have to put up with this shit on console, it isn't fair you don't on PC"

 

[Smugplayer]

What will getting pissed at a company is going to do for people who are from these countries? Don't you think people have complained over the years from these countries to these Corps? Why you do think these shit faces don't do shit? Its because they don't get a lot of money from these countries.

Just putting it all on a rich corp which isn't going to change its terms of service easily which has been written after anlayzing the law and making sure they are safe from any judicial action, doesn't mean the people who made this corp enforce its ToS, aren't to be blamed.

Its for a simple fucking account login which isn't consequential, has NOT been as such for decades.

Spare me with the high and mighty advise.

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You are saying you see this not as a problem of a company and its practices, but as one of purely aesthetics and is entirely reactionary. There is no reason for people with actual concerns to care about your virtue signaling accusations. It's meaningless to the problem as a whole and shows your hand. You are just mad that people now have a reason to latch on to voice their distastes. It's extremely childish to be so nihilistic. The argument boils down to "everything is bad, and has been bad but nobody said anything previously!". From this point of view, there is no reason to improve upon something that clearly is becoming a problem and is now on people's radar as a bad business practice. It is something clearly making potential customers upset.

I do not see how this is in any way a good faith take, because you are entirely putting people's reaction to something done by another party, into a box to dismiss off as "high and mighty" reasons. The company very clearly has shown signs of backing off and letting other countries use their products when pushed into a negative review corner. It has been shown to work, they have literally reverted their decision on Helldivers. Let me repeat. Getting mad at them literally worked not even two weeks ago. You are essentially jumping on a bomb, that doesn't need to be caught, because you think it's somehow a moral failure for people to become more aware they can have an ounce of power over companies and services they provide and not the other way around.

 

[cowbanana]

People defending Sony feels very "I have to put up with this shit on console, it isn't fair you don't on PC"

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There's always some amount of this. The same goes for "Sony should make their own store on PC". Very transparent.

 

[St. Elmo's Fire]

Yeah sounds about right. I really wanted to try legends but I'm good. I played the sp on my ps4 that was good enough. Looks like I'll just skip their multiplayer games going forward. If they are doing this they aren't going to give up on the psn requirement for all their multi stuff, which is within their right. Just like its within ours to not give them a purchase

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Well said

 

[DevilPuncher]

Is it not enough that people buy your games? lol

 

[Ananasas]

Naw, the buck stops with Sony here. Trying to blame consumers for using their very limited voices to campaign against an added mandatory account requirement is kinda gross honestly.

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I am use PSN account for over 10 years and my country isn't supported, now I will have to play it on PS5 as I can't buy this game on PC, because of the Helldrivers 2 controversy