Fucking hell Sony
100%, it's so stupid that there are people defending Sony here lmao
Its not mutually exclusive. Sony is wrong for not having psn ready for those regions, but lets also recognize that this was an after-effect of bad faith arguments by gamers.
Anecdotal it may seem, it appeared no one from unsupported regions ever complained about the regional issues. Privileged gamers rocked a dinky-ass but workable boat, and now our region(s) gets screwed.
There is no way of accurately gauging which complaints are "legitimate" and doesn't justify what Sony is forcing in the first place. This is the after math of Sony releasing their games in all regions for years and suddenly shoving a requirement that renders over a hundred countries unable to buy their games and others being forced to create fake accounts. This would not blow up into the issue it is today if Sony had communicated their plans from the get go. Testing the waters and then doing whatever they want won't fly on a store they do not own.Its not mutually exclusive. Sony is wrong for not having psn ready for those regions, but lets also recognize that this was an after-effect of bad faith arguments by gamers.
Anecdotal it may seem, it appeared no one from unsupported regions ever complained about the regional issues. Privileged gamers rocked a dinky-ass but workable boat, and now our region(s) gets screwed.
It's wild that people are trying to pin this on overzealous Helldivers 2 players and not the company mandating a secondary account for no real benefit to the people playing their games. Never mind that one of the reasons the Helldivers 2 thing blew up in the first place was because Sony was suddenly mandating a new requirement for a game that ALREADY WORKED TOTALLY FINE FOR PLAYERS.
Like even if you took the stance that made those Helldivers 2 players look as bad as possible and assumed they were all just complaining because they didn't want to make an account, the calculus is still "Sony is making me sign up for an account for nothing except trophies I probably don't care about because I'm not already a PlayStation member." This shit isn't required. Helldivers 2 becoming a huge success without PSN is proof positive of that. This is all 100% on Sony.
Right so shareholders prefer PSN account numbers to actual sales of games on PC then?
My.. my.. my.. if it isn't the consequences of my own actions. -Helldivers protestor maybe.
Yea, even without the Helldivers 2 review bombing this issue would've cropped up on Steam's end at some point one way or another.Pretty sure it's Sony that are in control of PSN accounts and whether their games on PC need it or not, not some random Helldivers players.
As someone who lives in a non supported country.. I do not care about creating additional accounts to access stuff, I will and have gladly done that for any game that has asked.... At least it was possible for me to do so... Now instead of having to created a throw away psn account or a throwaway rockstar or throwaway EA or throwaway 2Kaccount etc etc.. ppl such as myself are going to have to go through hoops to create an additional steam account to access the same list of games we had before. And you will STILL have to create an account for new PSN games.... So we all lose.
Thanks for nothing
Your zero chance becomes 100% if they let you buy games in unsupported regions, if you think this through
- Sony releases games that require PSN account linking
- sells games on PC Stores to unsupported regions
- customers from unsupported regions can't access part of the games they paid for and don't know about the workaround or don't want to break ToS
- customers complain to the PC stores and their countries' market watchdogs
- some EU member states are unsupported Sony regions
- EU watchdogs get involved
- Fuck! (look up the "Brussels Effect" on how EU law shapes the world)
- nobody wants the fucking EU inquisition looking at their business.
Sony would never acknowledge that they actively ignore or even encourage breaking ToS. You can't just ignore one part of the ToS. Either you enforce the ToS or you don't. If you publicly declare that one part of your written ToS is not enforced, then the whole ToS would be null and void, any purchase done on that account would be null and void.
Do you know why Guernsey, which is a part of the UK is a separate entity on Steam?
Taxation.
Buying from countries which are not supported by the store is Tax Fraud.
Buying from Estonia on a Russian PSN account is Tax fraud.
When the EU starts their thing, they will demand from Sony to close this loophole.
I did this with Helldivers 2 on the day it was delisted in the Philippines. I bought a key from Greenman gaming and the code worked. Unfortunately, Helldivers 2 is not available in the Philippines anymore on Greenman gaming when I checked today.Yep, can't buy it over here any more. I wonder if I get a key from the grey market, would that work.
The only button on the game store page in Steam is to wishlist it, which now sounds like a cruel joke.
This at the very least is why I think they will take steps to attempt to fix the issue. Their biggest Steam launch ever, one of their biggest game launches ever and this nonsense. It can't look good to the shareholders and it's finally forcing Sony's hand to deal with this mess of their own making.To be dumb at this level impresses me.
A GAAS game (HD2) that you can't purchase in almost 200 countries. After adding one more country it's clear they won't go back in their decision.
What
The
Fuck
What I think one of the business possibilities could be:This at the very least is why I think they will take steps to attempt to fix the issue. Their biggest Steam launch ever, one of their biggest game launches ever and this nonsense. It can't look good to the shareholders and it's finally forcing Sony's hand to deal with this mess of their own making.
With their current set up probably not, they will probably have to set up "lesser" PSN accounts that aren't linked up to a PS Store so they aren't selling anything through them, but that will probably be much more easier said than done given PSN.Is there any way Sony could add PSN account connectivity without having Steam to delist them from over a hundred countries?
Start supporting PSN account creation in all the countries. I mean it's Sony. They could do it if they wanted to. But it's easier to piss people off and have it your way.Is there any way Sony could add PSN account connectivity without having Steam to delist them from over a hundred countries?
Creating an account that's not for the country in which you reside is against ToS. But Sony so far hasn't taken action against this on PlayStation. It's different on PC because Steam/third party stores are involved and don't control what Sony does or may do in future. They are protecting themselves.I don't play games on PC so can someone explain why this is a problem? I'm Australian but I live in China. So my PSN account is Australian and I have to use an Australian credit card or Australian PSN points cards for digital purchases but you can easily buy them online and I don't need to use a VPN to connect to PSN or anything. Am I breaking tos because I moved to another country?
I agree that some people might have overreacted when the account requirement just came in, but I disagree about that reaction being Sony deciding to delist from these regions.Sony is wrong for not having psn ready for those regions, but lets also recognize that this was an after-effect of bad faith arguments by gamers.
whether anybody protested or not, the same thing would have happened as soon as valve found out that people can't create local PSN accounts in all these countries.
Option 1 was never truly at play on Steam. Option 1 worked on Playstation consoles because you have to agree to TOS to make a PSN account to buy games. Option 1 doesn't work on Steam because you don't have to agree to Sony TOS to buy games on Steam. Other than removing the PSN requirement the only play for Sony games on Steam is to remove them from countries where you can't create a PSN account.Option 1 would look stupid for Sony, it's basically ignoring there own TOS, but it's doable. Just keep silent and leave it at that.
No, and they added three more countries to the list today.Has HD2 get listed again after it was removed from x number of countries after they've said no account would be needed after all?
Mostly stayed away from this thread because the corpo apologism is honestly terrible for my mental health, but a couple things:
Many of the countries on the prohibited list have lower GDPs compared to the PSN supported markets. Gaming is the(?) largest entertainment medium globally, pulling in more revenue than movies, TV and music combined. If you make an account outside of your region and pay sales tax on those purchases, you are removing capital from your own country and gifting it to a country that almost certainly doesn't need it as much as your economy does.
By continuing to create accounts outside of your own country you are also demonstrating to Sony that your territory is not worthy of its infrastructure. You'll always be second-class citizens to them as they continue to turn a blind eye to the breaking of their own TOS. Would you benefit from regional pricing if they properly supported your territory? Maybe. Are they going to implement that if they know you'll happily support them not bothering so that you can instead pay 2x as much purchasing from a neighbouring region? Absolutely not.
If you are mad at ANY part of this entire process, get mad at the billionaire company treading on your economy to get your pennies as they continue to offer your territory nothing in return apart from an unspoken promise to not ban you for skirting their lax rules. This is a Sony problem, not a "gamers" problem. Any ire directed at people rightfully lambasting Sony for being utter garbage is misdirected and not worth taking seriously.
I will once again be dipping out now.
Nobody's saying that. Anyone pointing to the Helldivers backlash is merely making the point that it was the straw that broke the camel's back.Don't you see, the backlash FORCED Sony to remove the game in those territories. It was the ONLY option!
Fucking. Clown. Shoes.
you just waitCut Sony some slack, they are new to this whole selling games thing.
Just for clarity, you don't need a VPN to create or use a PSN account.Enforcing PSN login with region restrictions leave 2 options:
- Leave the game available on Steam in unsupported regions, those who want to play will need to use VPN to make a PSN account