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Oct 25, 2017
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The reason why people probably want Sony to invest in their own launcher is for one thing and that would be giving both a PC and PlayStation version of the game for one price. AKA Cross-buy.

All these other fears and shit is just some persecution-complex
 

Gitaroo

Member
Nov 3, 2017
8,027
The reason why people probably want Sony to invest in their own launcher is for one thing and that would be giving both a PC and PlayStation version of the game for one price. AKA Cross-buy.

All these other fears and shit is just some persecution-complex
This, real reason Sony would do day to day launch on console and pc tbh and I am ok with it. Tbf, game launcher never stop me from buying games unless its the windows one....

Edit: to add on to that, I can see Sony also launching a portable pc device with PS branding and launcher and always optimize games for it as the lowest common denominator since they basically has to do it anyway launching their games on pc sooner or later.
 
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dex3108

Member
Oct 26, 2017
22,644
The reason why people probably want Sony to invest in their own launcher is for one thing and that would be giving both a PC and PlayStation version of the game for one price. AKA Cross-buy.

All these other fears and shit is just some persecution-complex

That will never happen. Point is to expand audience AND earn more money.
 

reconfx

Member
Apr 17, 2024
1
These seem a bit high. PS5 runs Ghost at 4k checkerboard @ 60fps locked, so it roughly aligns with the High column here.
4K checkerboard is a 1080p internal render with a software scaler upscaling it by reconstructing each pixel into 4 pixels..so while the output becomes 4K and "looks" higher than 1080p the internal workload and true native resolution is still 1080p technically, so that makes the PS5 version is more aligned with the Recommended column in that case...and since the PS5 is roughly the gpu equivalent of something of a 2070S, this is actually pretty well optimized that means. High preset is a native 1440p which is pretty demanding compared to 1080p and is alot cleaner and sharper looking. So I'm sure a 3070 is a good fit here for 1440p 60fps. Actually wait...Wasn't the PS5 version like 1600p?
 

modiz

Member
Oct 8, 2018
17,874
4K checkerboard is a 1080p internal render with a software scaler upscaling it by reconstructing each pixel into 4 pixels..so while the output becomes 4K and "looks" higher than 1080p the internal workload and true native resolution is still 1080p technically, so that makes the PS5 version is more aligned with the Recommended column in that case...and since the PS5 is roughly the gpu equivalent of something of a 2070S, this is actually pretty well optimized that means. High preset is a native 1440p which is pretty demanding compared to 1080p and is alot cleaner and sharper looking. So I'm sure a 3070 is a good fit here for 1440p 60fps. Actually wait...Wasn't the PS5 version like 1600p?
No, Checkerboard runs at half the resolution, not quarter.
 

Jonnax

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,934
Those hoping for a launcher don't really care that it wouldn't work, they just want to annoy PC players.

It's thinly veiled platform warring and it isn't new

Seemingly Ubisoft's, EA's and Microsoft's stores have all failed. Unknown failure criteria because their stores still exist. CDPR's store being an exception because they're the darling of gamers.

"PC gaming platform Uplay, which now represents 40% of Ubisoft's net bookings on PC."

lol


Online PC gamers can't seem to imagine that there's people who bought games digitally on playstation that may want to also play it on PC without paying again.

Or even people that prefer more of the revenue should go to the companies actually funding / making the games. (Of course there's talking points about how unprofitable or greedy it is to do so)

Let's also ignore how racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic the steam communities are and how Valve has done nothing but tacitly supported them by doing no moderation.

Online the sentiment is that the entire PC gaming community is a monolith that won't use anything other than steam (Fortnite? League of Legends? Minecraft? Genshin Impact?) but people who consider being a PC gamer is part of their identity don't speak for the whole market.
 

AshenOne

Member
Feb 21, 2018
6,130
Pakistan
I'm fairly sure if a Sony luancher existed they would still sell games on steam / epic etc it'd work like the EA and Ubisoft integration currently. Maybe with a 3-6 month exclusive period on their own platform
Ubisoft on PC and PS on PC have very different reputation and customers legacy wise. Ubi's games after they come to steam don't really sell well either.

They're gonna sell 0 on PS Store that way and they'll lose launch customers on PC with a delayed steam launch.
Seemingly Ubisoft's, EA's and Microsoft's stores have all failed. Unknown failure criteria because their stores still exist. CDPR's store being an exception because they're the darling of gamers.

"PC gaming platform Uplay, which now represents 40% of Ubisoft's net bookings on PC."

lol


Online PC gamers can't seem to imagine that there's people who bought games digitally on playstation that may want to also play it on PC without paying again.

Or even people that prefer more of the revenue should go to the companies actually funding / making the games. (Of course there's talking points about how unprofitable or greedy it is to do so)

Let's also ignore how racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic the steam communities are and how Valve has done nothing but tacitly supported them by doing no moderation.

Online the sentiment is that the entire PC gaming community is a monolith that won't use anything other than steam (Fortnite? League of Legends? Minecraft? Genshin Impact?) but people who consider being a PC gamer is part of their identity don't speak for the whole market.
But all these stores so far have failed for selling game exclusively on these stores?
Only Uplay is remotely relevant and then there is Rockstar who have GTA. Even Blizzard.net games have come to Steam close to launch.
 
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eathdemon

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,690
Yup
They're very similar to Horizon forbidden west's system requirment

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Which is kinda weird considering one is a much older PS4 game while other is a newer cross-gen game
I assume those recamandations are with raytracing on, and 60fps with raytracing is prity expensive.
 

HiLife

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
39,744
I have no interest in replaying this but like the other Sony ports on Steam, I'll pick it up on a discount just to help support.
 

reksveks

Member
May 17, 2022
3,348
But all these stores so far have failed for selling game exclusively on these stores?
Only Uplay is remotely relevant. Even Blizzard.net games have come to Steam.
Obviously that is your success criteria and it might be the companies but that doesn't have to be the only success criteria. Think it's important to say what the criteria is when we are talking success/failure even if we think it's obvious/standard. This is true for the ff7rebirth thread as well.

I think in the physical good space, you will get companies that sell DTC and via sellers like Amazon. That's a perfectly fine strategy.
 

cowbanana

Member
Feb 2, 2018
13,798
a Socialist Utopia
I couldn't care less about PS trophies, cross-this or cross-that.

I just want the games on Steam. The whole point for me is to escape Sony's shitty, locked down system.

Every Sony title released on PC so far has made the console version irrelevant to me. That is the whole point of buying the games on PC. Not getting locked back into the thing I want to escape.

Just bring games. Keep the unnecessary PS fluff.
 

AshenOne

Member
Feb 21, 2018
6,130
Pakistan
Obviously that is your success criteria and it might be the companies but that doesn't have to be the only success criteria. Think it's important to say what the criteria is when we are talking success/failure even if we think it's obvious/standard. This is true for the ff7rebirth thread as well.

I think in the physical good space, you will get companies that sell DTC and via sellers like Amazon. That's a perfectly fine strategy.
The 'success criteria' for companies using their own platforms to launch exclusively rarely is being met, is what Iam saying due to them changing their strategies eventually from releasing exclusively on their own platform for years to either releasing on steam close to launch on their own platforms or do day 1 Steam launch.
 

reksveks

Member
May 17, 2022
3,348
The 'success criteria' for companies using their own platforms to launch exclusively rarely is being met, is what Iam saying due to them changing their strategies eventually from releasing exclusively on their own platform for years to either releasing on steam close to launch on their own platforms or do day 1 Steam launch.

Let's do this another way. It's early in the morning here.

Is the only success criteria for a company with a storefront to release games only on that store front?

If not, is it your success criteria? Which could valid or not.

P.s. I am not arguing that Sony should pull games from Steam or have any timed exclusive. I am just interested in what expectations people have.
 

AshenOne

Member
Feb 21, 2018
6,130
Pakistan
Let's do this another way. It's early in the morning here.

Is the only success criteria for a company with a storefront to release games only on that store front?

If not, is it your success criteria? Which could valid or not.

P.s. I am not arguing that Sony should pull games from Steam or have any timed exclusive. I am just interested in what expectations people have.
Is the only success criteria for a company with a storefront to release games only on that store front?
No, but I thought I was arguing people who thought that the only success criteria was long timed exclusivity for certain companies.

If not, is it your success criteria? Which could valid or not.
No, it is not my success criteria for these companies. The success criteria for these companies on PC reality wise is likely 'How much share we can take away from steam? We should do as much as possible while also making as much money as we can on Steam as well.'
 

reksveks

Member
May 17, 2022
3,348
Is the only success criteria for a company with a storefront to release games only on that store front?
No, but I thought I was arguing people who thought that the only success criteria was long timed exclusivity for certain companies.

If not, is it your success criteria? Which could valid or not.
No, it is not my success criteria for these companies. The success criteria for these companies on PC reality wise is likely 'How much share we can take away from steam? We should do as much as possible while also making as much money as we can on Steam as well.'

Cheers for the answers and yeah, we are aligned.

I think they (Sony) are probably doing the forecasts to see what happens if they pull games from Steam because they probably need to and should. I think they will ultimately end up with a day 1 steam release strategy in terms of pc ports. I don't know if that precludes them from testing out their own store/launcher. I think that's also a very tough challenge but I am welcoming of it even if I might not use it.
 

Mivey

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,836
Seemingly Ubisoft's, EA's and Microsoft's stores have all failed. Unknown failure criteria because their stores still exist. CDPR's store being an exception because they're the darling of gamers.

"PC gaming platform Uplay, which now represents 40% of Ubisoft's net bookings on PC."

lol


Online PC gamers can't seem to imagine that there's people who bought games digitally on playstation that may want to also play it on PC without paying again.

Or even people that prefer more of the revenue should go to the companies actually funding / making the games. (Of course there's talking points about how unprofitable or greedy it is to do so)

Let's also ignore how racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic the steam communities are and how Valve has done nothing but tacitly supported them by doing no moderation.

Online the sentiment is that the entire PC gaming community is a monolith that won't use anything other than steam (Fortnite? League of Legends? Minecraft? Genshin Impact?) but people who consider being a PC gamer is part of their identity don't speak for the whole market.
That's a 4 year old news article there about UPlay. It's also notable that Ubisoft is still bringing their games to Steam eventually, their current strategy is just to try to get people to buy on their own platform first before going for the larger market segment that Steam represents. There is no one who can afford to ignore Steam and its large market share.
All these companies, like CD Projekt, Microsoft, Sony, EA and Ubisoft too, aren't putting games on Steam despite having their own stores, out of the kindness of their heart. They do it, because it makes them money, more money than keeping things exclusive. because 70% of a big pie is still a whole lot more money than 100% of a very very small pie.

Sony might put games in their own launcher, but there will very likely never be cross buy as that isn't going to help make them more money (quite the opposite) and Sony is under the problem of having the most revenue, but very low margins. Microsoft's strategy has been to get up revenue first, then look at profit and margins second. Sony is in some sense ahead of the game, and wants its money. There is no point to them to porting to PC if they can't sell it to you for 60$ or more. And they will also offer games on Steam for that same reason. 100% of a non-existent user base is pretty worthless if you want stonks to go up.
 

RoboMagik

Member
Mar 6, 2023
244
Seemingly Ubisoft's, EA's and Microsoft's stores have all failed. Unknown failure criteria because their stores still exist. CDPR's store being an exception because they're the darling of gamers.

"PC gaming platform Uplay, which now represents 40% of Ubisoft's net bookings on PC."

lol


Online PC gamers can't seem to imagine that there's people who bought games digitally on playstation that may want to also play it on PC without paying again.

Or even people that prefer more of the revenue should go to the companies actually funding / making the games. (Of course there's talking points about how unprofitable or greedy it is to do so)

Let's also ignore how racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic the steam communities are and how Valve has done nothing but tacitly supported them by doing no moderation.

Online the sentiment is that the entire PC gaming community is a monolith that won't use anything other than steam (Fortnite? League of Legends? Minecraft? Genshin Impact?) but people who consider being a PC gamer is part of their identity don't speak for the whole market.

Oh good, nice come back at those bazillion comments saying that Valve has PC gaming monopoly and there has to something done about. Well, actually we have plenty of competition in PC gaming space.
 
May 26, 2018
24,036
what must it be like

for every time something happens that isn't from your personal fantasy notebook, it's "ruined forever" and a "betrayal"

are you just choking stuffed animals to death all day in constant rage, or what? how do you not have a heart attack?
 

AlanOC91

Owner of YGOPRODeck.com
Verified
Nov 5, 2017
961
Would be interesting to see how this handles cheat engine..

I know I sound silly but I hope it somehow blocks achievements when using cheats. It would just dilute what a platinum trophy means*.

As bad as it was, I think GFWL prevent cheating to unlock Xbox achievements right?

* I know it really means nothing
 

Mifec

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,760
Jeez, I thought the PlayStation user base would be used to this by now 🤣

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Every time a PC port blog gets announced the comments are wild, I go there after they pile up to laugh.

What the hell... Was this written by a broken AI? This is the textual equivalent of a diarrhea sneeze.

Being a fanboy of this magnitude in 2024 must be exhausting.
Do not go to this dude's Twitter rofl

Would be interesting to see how this handles cheat engine..

I know I sound silly but I hope it somehow blocks achievements when using cheats. It would just dilute what a platinum trophy means*.

As bad as it was, I think GFWL prevent cheating to unlock Xbox achievements right?

* I know it really means nothing
Pretty sure there are services that let you pay so others do trophies for you. They were always worthless.
 

CaptainBearTV

Member
Dec 20, 2023
134
I'd be shocked if these people were even alive when the PS3 released.

I mean look at the Xbox Side.
TimDog, Jez Corden and all the other Xbox Warriors that act like they sit next to Phil Spencer in the Meeting Room.
And even those nutjobs are tame compared to some of the other warriors.

People like them are usually grown Men that don't have any identity outside of their plasticbox or certain franchises.
Console Wars are all they have.
They're rarely kids these days because they play Fortnite etc anyway on whatever device they're currently carrying with them.