Ghost of Tsushima E3 2018 vs Retail Comparison
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I didn't notice much difference in draw difference. The game's draw distance in incredible for console.
It's pretty clear, you can see a lot further and see a whole town off in the distance in the 2018 version, in retail you see a lone tower and mist where the town should be.
obvious downgrade, this is why i'm against open world games. would have preferred it as single player
i hope so, i havent bought it yet but if they upgrade it substantially for ps5 ill pick it up when i buy the system
How can you accurately call a downgrade in IQ when the footage of both versions is horribly compressed?
Okay, so upon seeing it again, I do definitely see the burning structures not being part of the LoD at that distance in retail. That said, It is kind of hard to ascertain the overall draw distance disparity because in E3 ver. the camera is pulled further back revealing body of water in farthest distance, whereas in retail, it looks like additional mountains have taken its place.
In the greater scheme however, certain aspects definitely have been paired back. It will be interesting if DF/NXG do a comparison that is more 1:1 in terms of weather settings and more importantly, NOT at 1080p, the worst choice for resolution when it comes to compression on YT.
Did they have to go with the most unflattering and foggy lighting/weather conditions for the retail version?
I swear the game looks better than that like 90% of the time. Regarding atmosphere as well as draw distance.
Biggest difference to me is that the E3 Demo probably had perfectly designed pre-baked lighting whilenrelease is dynamic. Also, I think the 2018 FoV was wider, giving it a more cinematic Look. Indoor scenes are much better in retail though.
I swear the game looks better than that like 90% of the time. Regarding atmosphere as well as draw distance.
Biggest difference to me is that the E3 Demo probably had perfectly designed pre-baked lighting whilenrelease is dynamic. Also, I think the 2018 FoV was wider, giving it a more cinematic Look. Indoor scenes are much better in retail though.
This makes no sense at all, lol.
Are downgrades only typical for open worlds? Many open world games, like this one, are also single player.
Right? The game is single player. Vertical slices can affect non open world games too.
Like The Last of Us, the part that suffered the most with downgrade was the lighting.
But it's likely that have parts that have improved in some way(like Tlou2).
But it's likely that have parts that have improved in some way(like Tlou2).
Yikes. It had already been downgraded in its second showing but when you put the same environments side by side it's pretty striking.
Yes, an obvious downgrade from 2018. The final game is still gorgeous and I think it actually might be better looking than TLoU2. Maybe it doesn't have all the bells and whistles from a technical perspective but I think the overall product looks better than TLoU2. I think it's pretty clear what companies are doing with a lot of the pre-release footage. They showing cutscene level graphics off as if it were gameplay. And then they claim that it's running on a PS4 when it's obvious that it's impossible given what the final games look like. It's deceptive, I don't like it, and it's just one more reason why I don't believe anything these companies show or say before a game is released. I don't know why they keep doing this. The actual game graphics/visuals of TLoU2 and Ghosts of Tsushima still look amazing. Why not just show that to begin with?
I feel like quite a number of Sony 1st party games are downgraded to some degree. Uncharted 4, TLOU2, now this.
I have hundreds of post and I could also see a downgrade. You don't need less than 30 posts to see it
The fire near the end looks the most different, 2018 has a lot more going on. Was 2018 footage captured on PC?
Sony will never do that on it's big titles, they want to build hype.
Watch Dogs and The Witcher 3 are in a league of their own as far as downgrades go. There's a downgrade here but it's nowhere near as drastic as those games were.
They just announced a sequel to one of their biggest games which is a year from release.
Much like TLOU II it's lots of little details which overall make quite a large difference if you're an enthusiast when it comes to visuals. The reveal looks more like a PS5 game when it comes to the first half of the video in the OP.
I will never understand why when Sony seem to do this people chuckle and say "calm down no need to get so toxic over graphics" yet when Ubisoft, CDPR, Nintendo or Xbox games are visually downgraded from reveal to launch there are 20 page threads baying for blood.
The final game is astounding looking in it's own right and I'd put it right up there with TLOU II simply because I prefer the more colourful art direction in Ghost.
I will never understand why when Sony seem to do this people chuckle and say "calm down no need to get so toxic over graphics" yet when Ubisoft, CDPR, Nintendo or Xbox games are visually downgraded from reveal to launch there are 20 page threads baying for blood.
The final game is astounding looking in it's own right and I'd put it right up there with TLOU II simply because I prefer the more colourful art direction in Ghost.
Did you forget puddlegate or something? And what title from Sony showed massive downgrades? Besides the UC4 60 fps reveal, nothing else was the huge downgrade plenty are trying to say they were, not even TLoU Part II. It actually surprises me people say TLoU Part II was a massive or big downgrade.
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Of course they have to show games coming soon for the PS5, it's launching this year. What I meant to say is Sony will always have (some) titles they show that are more than a year out. Do we have a release date for Horizon 2? Looking back at PS4 so many titles they showed were released over a year after announcement.
I don't think "downgrade" is a very useful word for what's going on. I think it's deceptive marketing. Developers know what's possible and what's not possible at this point in the console's life cycle. They know what visual fidelity they can achieve during cutscenes, and they know that it's not possible during gameplay. Yet they still pass it off as "gameplay". Honestly, I think they do it because it makes a product look better before it's released, and they think that nobody really cares. And they're probably right, most people probably don't care. I mean, TLoU2 and Ghost of Tsushima both had significant "downgrades", but I still bought both games. The downgrades didn't reduce my enjoyment of either game. So it didn't really matter for me, even though I'm somebody who hates the deceptive pre-release marketing,
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Probably because Ubisoft and CDPR's downgrades were massive in comparison. Go check out the first footage of Watch Dogs, The Division and The Witcher 3 to see how far and away they looked from their final release.
Oh yeah, for sure the previously released media looks better. Still completely enthralled with it! Certainly isn't the only offender of not meeting their marketing visuals, especially recently, and sadly won't be the last.
Sidenote: I'm utterly floored by the load times, performance, and just how quiet my pro fan is while playing! <3 it's a phenomenal achievement!
Sidenote: I'm utterly floored by the load times, performance, and just how quiet my pro fan is while playing! <3 it's a phenomenal achievement!
• Draw distance definitely smaller
• Kart just has less details flaying around
• Weather is flat in 2020, the sky is dramatic and contrasty in 2018
• 2018 has better indirect lightning: whether it uses better AO, or somehow calculates extra shadow definition in the places where direct light doesn't reach
• Entire first fight is in the shadow in 2020
• Face seems to be more alive in the 2018, but the details in hair and clothing seem to be identical
• The interior fight in 2020 has better lightning, or time of day is better, there is fog in 2018
• The standoff in the cutscene is way better in 2020 in terms of staging, contrast and DoF.
If there was a way to sync-up the weather, it would be a better comparison, but from the video, it is a downgrade. Draw distance, lightning and the amount of small details favor 2018.
• Kart just has less details flaying around
• Weather is flat in 2020, the sky is dramatic and contrasty in 2018
• 2018 has better indirect lightning: whether it uses better AO, or somehow calculates extra shadow definition in the places where direct light doesn't reach
• Entire first fight is in the shadow in 2020
• Face seems to be more alive in the 2018, but the details in hair and clothing seem to be identical
• The interior fight in 2020 has better lightning, or time of day is better, there is fog in 2018
• The standoff in the cutscene is way better in 2020 in terms of staging, contrast and DoF.
If there was a way to sync-up the weather, it would be a better comparison, but from the video, it is a downgrade. Draw distance, lightning and the amount of small details favor 2018.
After making the mistake of reading through this thread before watching the video I was expecting the difference to be far more dramatic than it actually is.
It can be if light hits it at just the right angle after it's rained or they've been watered.
It's just funny to me that the reception is always "huh, whatever" even though they've done it again and again. And when some other company like Ubisoft or Blizzard did it, the reaction would be totally different. I'm not asking people to bring out their pitchforks, you know, it's just the way this place is.
Not sure about that.
Yeah, a lot of folks on this forum seem to have a fairly obvious Sony first-party developer bias. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I try to call it out whenever I see it, regardless of company or platform, because I just don't like deception. And at this point I don't think it's developement realities, or optimization, or anything like that. I think it's deliberate deceptive marketing.
Yeah, you'll never find a defense force for Nintendo, Xbox or CDPR on... *checks notes*... Resetera.