Can I just say how perfectly that tweet is worded? Just vague enough so that you can get anything you want out of it. The implication of tying obesity to body acceptance is clearly there, but it's just vague enough that other people can rightfully say "they're just calling her beautiful, what's wrong with that".
I did mention exactly that in the follow up conversation with RDreamer . Poverty can (and does) lead to obesity in developed countries. However my views aren't limited to the US, which is why I still don't feel the comparison is apt.
Yeah dude and I EXIST IN THAT SPACE yet I walk 5+ miles a day. Wake up 5:45 am to get to work at 7 am. Have two 100 calorie yogurt cups for breakfast, eat the normal entree in our cafeteria for lunch, no more no less, and then usually a small single snack at 3 and have a smaller meal or a protein shake for dinner. Yet the weight persists and hovers between 280-290 pounds for me. AND I do all of my daily duty's and lift heavy shit and chores and have a clean apartment and pay my bills.
Chill the fuck out.
This ad is in no way disputing the fact that being overweight leads to health problems. Society (including the media) already tells overweight people that they're unhealthy, ugly, are gonna die early, and stuff like that, and overweight people are much too often a punchline for laughs. It pushes obese people to be mentally and physically unhealthy, be afraid of who they are, and stay inside, inactive, continuing their downward spiral. I personally know several overweight people who won't go to the beach because they don't like their body. The ad is trying to counteract that by giving them a little positivity to live life without worrying about others' thoughts toward them.
It is normalizing obesity by comparing it to "all shapes and sizes of women". This isn't a woman that has a curves etc, this is a overweight lady that is risking her health by being that big. If you can't see that then there is no point in us debating as we have different views.
To be fair - those awareness ads only came about recently when the institutions at large realized it wasn't just black people suffering. Prior to that it was very much status quo to shame, ridicule, and exclude drug addicts because of strict racial association and accompanying stereotypes.
I and others don't read it like that. Which is the whole problem with the ad.
And you don't know the first thing about her other than her weight. You've judged her solely by her size. You have no idea what lifestyle choices she is making. The point of the advert is that she shouldn't be ashamed to show her *skin*.
It is unhealthy to be that big simple as that. Notice nowhere am I shaming her for showing her skin, so I don't get you even saying that.
This is something everybody knows. Honestly failing to see your point in this thread then if you're just stating the obvious. Nonetheless, fat people do exist, do live, do buy clothes and wear makeup just like everybody else. They go to the beach and even smile, even where there are people watching them with judging eyes and thinking, you're unhealthy, go away where you can't be seen.
At which point your argument becomes the mere existence of obese people in advertising, even if they're doing healthy things like exercising at a beach, is inherently promoting obesity, and thus they should be relegated to nonexistence in advertising.
We shouldn't shame overweight/obese people for going to the beach but that isn't really my idea of being active. On top of that, you aren't going to achieve a healthy lifestyle just by moderate exercise, it's 95% about your diet. Having said that, most people don't really understand how that works and the obesity epidemic is clearly a societal failure.
No, of course my weights not healthy. You are just being kind of obtuse and a jerk now.
Nope it is comparing obese people to "all shapes and sizes of women" that is my problem it is normalizing obesity.
Nope
You're talking about the advert as if it is promoting her weight as a positive thing. It isn't. It's saying that she shouldn't be ashamed to show her skin. It very specifically says that. It shows a woman in a bikini. Showing her skin. It isn't saying 'big is beautiful'.
I didn't say anything about her at all. She can be on a nudist beach for all I care. It is the wording of the ad I dislike.
Is she not a shape and size of woman? You're getting pedantic now.
It's smartly written, but the implication is pretty clear that the "rules" are outdated, and the model is brave for disregarding them.
I mean obviously, right? People in general who are both skinny and overweight don't have a proper grasp of nutrition/food science so the ones who luck out get all high and mighty as people always love to look down their nose at someone.
The rule being that obese people shouldn't wear revealing clothing because people are disgusted by their bodies.
Not really pedantic Nep. The ad is the problem as for me and many others it seems, view it as normalizing obesity. I have no problem with obese people they can choose how they live even it does mean they have many health complications due to their size.
Except that's absolutely not the only rule that applies to morbid obesity.
Didn't say that either, stop trying to put words in my mouth thanks. :)
It's talking about skin. It's talking about her cellulite and stretch marks and imperfections and how culture says such things should be kept under clothing. It's not talking about 'rules of medical science' relating to whether it's safe to be obese or not.
Showing a woman who is obese does not promote obesity. The entire point is that people shouldn't be ashamed to go out in public when both obese or overweight. How are they expected to be active when they are insulted for even being seen in public?
Essentially, yes, that's what normalizing is.
I don't find her unattractive. If she can be a role model for overweight people who feel ugly because of their weight, then like I said: more power to her. And to them.
Notice I haven't sad "fat" at all in my posts. I respect overweight people enough not to say it. Yet I dislike seeing "fat" ladies, at this point you are just a troll.
