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You're making a false assumption that people who collect are waiting for value to increase. Some (probably most, I'd say) people collect because having stuff they love around them makes them feel good, and that's it. You can say this about literally any kind of collection. Sure, some people take a lot of pride in having rare/valuable things, but I don't think that is the driver for a majority of people.

It's great that you've ascended above attachment to physical things, but for some people, their collections are a source of of joy in a world where that isn't always easy to find.
I can safely say I fall into this camp. I'll never sell my collection and would rather donate it to charity in the end. I only buy games if I see myself playing them a lot, which is why you'll seldom find long games or RPGs on my shelf.
 

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This thread blows my mind. So much complaining.

At the end of the day, prices are determined by supply and demand. Basic economic principles. That's it.

Additionally, staff and owners have to eat, too.

Lastly, some of these places have pretty good trade in deals that help offset some of the higher costs of retro games. I've traded in a lot of PS2, Wii, and PS360 games that have gotten re-releases in current consoles and PC. Why would I hang on to my PS3 God of War III, when I can buy a better version of it cheaply on the PS4, AND at the same time get store credit towards retro stuff I enjoy? If I'm a gambler, I'd bet that there's a much higher chance of Sony re-releasing one of its PS3 games on PS4 than, say, Konami re-releasing the SNES version of Sunset Riders.
 

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Yeah I stocked up on Gamecube titles a few years back after seeing SNES and N64 prices rocketing up. Turns out that wasn't such a bad decision...
 

EvoTech

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Back when the N64 was practically, freshly dead, copies of Perfect Dark and Conker's Bad Fur Day were around $9 each.

Fast forward to last year, me buying some vinyl at one of these shops, a girl bought a cartridge only of Conker for $80. Insane mark up, that was depressing to watch happen.
 

Aeana

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I remember buying NES games in literal antique shops by the late 90s, and reading websites like Seanbaby that already spoke of NES games like some old forgotten sin from the 80s.

I think culture at large did consider NES retro by the late 90s, but to each their own.
The top loading NES literally released in October, 1993. I mean, it was still a product on the market. It might have been considered "outdated," but "retro" at the time of PSX release is basically revisionist history.
 

BocoDragon

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The top loading NES literally released in October, 1993. I mean, it was still a product on the market. It might have been considered "outdated," but "retro" at the time of PSX release is basically revisionist history.
My perception of the top loader when it was new was that it was a retro product. It was really odd... the SNES was in year 3 or 4 depending on region. It would like Nintendo releasing a new Wii U revision 2 years from now.

For me NES was definitively retro by like 97-99. It was retro in the late 90s, anyway.
 

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My perception of the top loader when it was new was that it was a retro product. It was really odd... the SNES was in year 3 or 4 depending on region. It would like Nintendo releasing a new Wii U revision 2 years from now.

For me NES was definitively retro by like 97-99. It was retro in the late 90s, anyway.

Bought an NES in summer of 98 to start collecting and re-living childhood memories and it felt absolutely retro and even ancient at that time. As others have said, though, the advance of the tech has plateaued and that's affected perceptions of what is "old" just as much, if not more so, than the timespan itself.

Back when the N64 was practically, freshly dead, copies of Perfect Dark and Conker's Bad Fur Day were around $9 each.

Fast forward to last year, me buying some vinyl at one of these shops, a girl bought a cartridge only of Conker for $80. Insane mark up, that was depressing to watch happen.

That's not a mark up, though, that just the worth of the thing. It's worth what people will pay for it.
 

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There's a great retro game store in a city close by me. They still exist.
 

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I remember buying NES games in literal antique shops by the late 90s, and reading websites like Seanbaby that already spoke of NES games like some old forgotten sin from the 80s.

I think culture at large did consider NES retro by the late 90s, but to each their own.
Yeah, it was like that for the Atari 2600 in the early '90s, too (minus the widespread internet but still treated similarly by gamers in general). And it had only recently been discontinued as a budget system.
 
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Back when the N64 was practically, freshly dead, copies of Perfect Dark and Conker's Bad Fur Day were around $9 each.

Fast forward to last year, me buying some vinyl at one of these shops, a girl bought a cartridge only of Conker for $80. Insane mark up, that was depressing to watch happen.

That's if you assume the store only paid $9 for it which they probably didn't. Those stores rely on people trading stuff in and then looking in all the same places for games as the rest of us. Thier prices are high because they also don't have a source where they can order as many games as they need for $5 a pop just because they are old games. That and wages, taxes, rent and utilities.
 

Xero grimlock

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Back when the N64 was practically, freshly dead, copies of Perfect Dark and Conker's Bad Fur Day were around $9 each.

Fast forward to last year, me buying some vinyl at one of these shops, a girl bought a cartridge only of Conker for $80. Insane mark up, that was depressing to watch happen.
thats not a mark up it increased in value is all.
 

Dragonyeuw

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Back when the N64 was practically, freshly dead, copies of Perfect Dark and Conker's Bad Fur Day were around $9 each.

Fast forward to last year, me buying some vinyl at one of these shops, a girl bought a cartridge only of Conker for $80. Insane mark up, that was depressing to watch happen.

Its not a markup, its reflective of current market value.
 
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It's not just retro games that have made my local used game shops fucking useless in recent years. They've just gotten so damn greedy. In years past, these same stores would sell things at a fairly decent discount, and why not, they're used games, so they shouldn't be costing new prices. I remember the used to sell NES games for a standard all around price, every game was $3.99 at one time, regardless of the title. Miss those days.

What really has been pissing me off though is they're trying to sell PS4/XBONE/Switch games for way higher than they should for a used copy. I'll see games on their shelves for $45...and I know what you might be thinking "well games retail for $60, so that's a good deal"...not really when their store is literally next door to best buy, and you can get new games for $48 with gamers club. I've even seen them price certain games just way higher than they should, like Ultra Street Fighter 2 on Switch. They had that for $45, and im thinking...wtf. it's a $40 game new, and it sure as hell ain't rare.

These shops have gone into instead of just trying to make a profit, they're trying to make ALL the profit. I've seen people sell them PS4 games before, and they don't offer more than $15 a pop for them, so they're getting a $30 profit if they try selling them at $45. It's gotten ridiculous.
 
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I'm pretty much done collecting since the prices are way too high nowadays.

I was lucky enough to get a decent collection going since I used to have plenty of disposable income, and I'm satisfied of what I do have now.
 

ssnick37

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Ya I was collecting in the late 90s
I wish I had bought more then tbh.

But anyways I sold it all a couple years ago and did pretty well. Now I love going into retro stores just to look cause I know I won't buy anything.
 

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I haven't decided what to do with what I have left. I don't have many games worth a whole lot (at least I think), but something interesting I do have is boxes to some 90's games I threw in a closet after I opened them. I have the original boxes for every Gameboy Pokémon game (all 6 gen 1 and 2 mainline games as well as Pinball and TCG) and all of them except for one (Crystal) are in decent shape. I have 0 idea what kind of value they have though.
 

tbyte64

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Having hundreds of retro games sitting on a shelf isn't normal or healthy behavior. If people actually cared about the games they would play them and sell them. Sure, you can have a small stable of favorites you revisit frequently, like mine would be contra, Castlevania 1, rc pro am, etc. But nobody needs shelves full of crap like every YouTube or Facebook group loves to show off.

There just isn't enough movement of stock and too many people sitting on their collections expecting them to gain value and not taking them for what they are, games to be played and experienced.

Also if you really want to play high end games like a Chrono trigger you could keep an eye out for a copy at around $100 and you would almost guaranteed get the same or close to it when you sell it. Think of it like a rental fee. Same for even something like panzer dragoon orta which is an easy game to finish in a week or two. Just sell it on to the next person and you might even profit.

People need to remove their attachment to owning these physical things. The experience of playing it is more important.

Where it gets tricky is games that you actually would like to replay frequently that cost a lot. Like panzer dragoon 1+2 for Saturn are some of my favorite chill out and play through in an afternoon type games but they are creeping towards $100 each.
I think you're confusing a few things here. Literally the only value these old games have is irrational emotional attachment to the physical piece of plastic. The value of Chrono Trigger, the game, is like $5 on any app store, not several hundreds like the SNES cart. If people want to just play the game they'll buy that version. Buying the cart and holding on to it is the entire point in and of itself. It has nothing to do with playing the game. And these carts are a finite resource so at one point running out of them was bound to happen. There's no difference between this and baseball cards from the 30s. The value is not in the picture on the card.
 

BocoDragon

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I think you're confusing a few things here. Literally the only value these old games have is irrational emotional attachment to the physical piece of plastic. The value of Chrono Trigger, the game, is like $5 on any app store, not several hundreds like the SNES cart. If people want to just play the game they'll buy that version. Buying the cart and holding on to it is the entire point in and of itself. It has nothing to do with playing the game. And these carts are a finite resource so at one point running out of them was bound to happen. There's no difference between this and baseball cards from the 30s. The value is not in the picture on the card.

It's not all collectibility. I do think there is a tangible quality element for many people playing real carts on real hardware. I used to think emulators or ports could replace the real thing a decade ago, but there were always quirks in performance and image quality that bothered me and took me out of the experience. There's a sigh of relief that I have playing the real thing, and I think is worth paying for.

Of course, flashcarts give a way to play roms on original hardware in a way that should be technically perfect. There are also FPGA solutions and accuracy obsessed emulators that output the correct resolution in a way that could be theoretically perfect gaming experiences ... but there's something about the experience of buying and playing the real cart that removes all doubt that the gaming experience is perfect. It's always 100% solid.

Not to mention the aesthetics of handling, putting in and booting the original media, for what that's worth.

There is a quality of experience appeal in playing the real thing that goes beyond just the idea of collecting the real thing.
 

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Just went to Paris and bought many Megadrive games i wanted for prices cheaper or same as online. Also got Thunderforce 6 for the PS2.

So often you already save shipping costs and can often test the games before you buy.