How do you get 100+ Mbps speed tests but never see actual download speeds beyond 10 Mbps? Do you have Steam or Origin? Those stores almost always max out my download speeds.
Google's Project Stream beta changed my mind about a streaming future
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I'm really excited for the technology. If the console manufacturers offer a streaming only device then I'll be getting it and putting more money into my PC or buying games.
I'm looking forward to the streaming future. As long as there's a datacenter in Southeast Asia, I'm in.
Internet speed is getting better (and cheaper) each year anyway, at least in my country.
Internet speed is getting better (and cheaper) each year anyway, at least in my country.
Yes, I am almost certain the OP has confused these terms.
It is not likely that Google's speed test is lying here. you probably have a 180Mb+ connection, which is significantly better than the average internet connection in the US.
Im telling you man. People need to listen to the OP.
Then imagine the rumors of Microsoft selling a "light console" that's around $100 but has hardware in it to reduce latency even further. Take the latency the OP experienced on a wired controller and cut it in HALF and tell me there wont be a segment of the world that would love to buy a "console" for as much as $300 cheaper than the full local console model and pay ~$5 to "rent" games here and there.
That shit would absolutely explode saleswise, and tracking console success/sales would never be the same. Folks really need to think of the people that make up the BULK of console buyers. They arent the hardcore with 20 titles, they are the guy who only buys Madden, 2k, GTA and a random mainstream AAA here and there. Those folks would eat this stuff up if the latency is brought in line. 1080p/30fps would be perfectly fine for them in their eyes.
I think that box is meant to move their console base over smoothly. Stream to browser/any device is where the new users are going to come from.
Here's my problem with all these streaming impression threads/articles: it always comes down to, how good is the streaming experience relative to the local hardware experience? And local hardware wins, every single time.
"I could hardly even notice I was streaming... Only some noticeable latency..." Insert other streaming specific problems here. At best it can come close to local hardware, and undeniably the tech behind it will continue to improve. But streaming is always going to have problems that local hardware doesn't have.
Streaming only comes off as something that I'd do if I was travelling. At home, never.
Also a major roadblock I see almost no one discussing is the net neutrality repeal in the U.S. Where were these gaming companies when that was going down months ago? Seemed like silence across the board. Now they want to push extremely data heavy streaming services when ISPs have the freedom to fuck with traffic as they see fit. The timing is terrible.
Edit: I should add I understand that once these services get "good enough" for most people, even if they don't 100% match the local hardware experience, they will probably take off. Convenience will probably win out, although that is rather unfortunate.
Still, thanks for the impressions OP.
"I could hardly even notice I was streaming... Only some noticeable latency..." Insert other streaming specific problems here. At best it can come close to local hardware, and undeniably the tech behind it will continue to improve. But streaming is always going to have problems that local hardware doesn't have.
Streaming only comes off as something that I'd do if I was travelling. At home, never.
Also a major roadblock I see almost no one discussing is the net neutrality repeal in the U.S. Where were these gaming companies when that was going down months ago? Seemed like silence across the board. Now they want to push extremely data heavy streaming services when ISPs have the freedom to fuck with traffic as they see fit. The timing is terrible.
Edit: I should add I understand that once these services get "good enough" for most people, even if they don't 100% match the local hardware experience, they will probably take off. Convenience will probably win out, although that is rather unfortunate.
Still, thanks for the impressions OP.
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i got my invite yesterday and I must say I'm very surprised. I was pretty skeptical that it would provide a good experience, but it played very well. The lag was minimal and the graphics looked pretty great on a wired line. I had quite a bit of artifacting when I was playing it on my laptop using wifi when i was far away from my AP (packet loss), but it looked great when i was connected via ethernet or when I moved closer to my AP.
However, i don't think its running at the highest PC setting. I noticed that there were no shadows to any of the objects and there wasn't any way to adjust the graphics that I could find.
It ran at a pretty smooth 30fps however. I don't think it was running at 60fps.
For a beta, color me impressed.
I was planning on buying ACO for my average PC (gtx 1060, 4 core CPU), but not anymore. This experience is good enough for me.
However, i don't think its running at the highest PC setting. I noticed that there were no shadows to any of the objects and there wasn't any way to adjust the graphics that I could find.
It ran at a pretty smooth 30fps however. I don't think it was running at 60fps.
For a beta, color me impressed.
I was planning on buying ACO for my average PC (gtx 1060, 4 core CPU), but not anymore. This experience is good enough for me.
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I played a little last night.
Latency was surprisingly not an issue but the image quality was maybe one step above a twitch stream. It was OK if a little fuzzy when I was stationary or moving straight forward, but any camera panning resulted in an insane amount of artifacting. Colors also seemed quite flat. I play on a 1440p monitor so I'm not sure if it was trying to give me a video stream higher than 1080p.
I am in NYC and have 400mbps internet wired to my PC.
This would be great for playing ps3/360 era games, but I'll stick to local rendering for new games for now.
Latency was surprisingly not an issue but the image quality was maybe one step above a twitch stream. It was OK if a little fuzzy when I was stationary or moving straight forward, but any camera panning resulted in an insane amount of artifacting. Colors also seemed quite flat. I play on a 1440p monitor so I'm not sure if it was trying to give me a video stream higher than 1080p.
I am in NYC and have 400mbps internet wired to my PC.
This would be great for playing ps3/360 era games, but I'll stick to local rendering for new games for now.
This.
Its definitely not the same as streaming Netflix or Hulu or YouTube.
Bananas.
I've been waiting for this future for quite some time. Glad to see that the tech is holding up. I'm hoping I can still get into the Beta to try it out myself.
Oh and 100% agree with your GHG ...I don't care for ownership...I just care that I can play something and if it's gone later...no worries, there's probably something else I can play. It's not like gaming is starved right now.
I've been waiting for this future for quite some time. Glad to see that the tech is holding up. I'm hoping I can still get into the Beta to try it out myself.
Oh and 100% agree with your GHG ...I don't care for ownership...I just care that I can play something and if it's gone later...no worries, there's probably something else I can play. It's not like gaming is starved right now.
Anyone who thinks game streaming is not going to be big is pretty ignorant.
Like the people who doubted video streaming.
Like the people who doubted video streaming.
OP if that image is correct you are located in or around New York....I'm gonna guess the servers are close by and I really wonder what it would be like for people in Ohio or Utah. I just can't jive with giving all this control to the corporations and I wouldn't be surprised if in 25 years streaming will be the only option I really don't see any positives imo....I have no need to game on the go and as a PC gamer I truly can't imagine the community taking to the positively. Hopefully people fight this..... options are good but I'm afraid of the slop.
I don't get the mumbo jumbo about your internet speed. It's normal for Comcast to be giving you slightly more than you pay for.
There's no reason to think you aren't actually getting that speed.
If Comcast is throttling anything, it's Netflix .
Use fast.com for speedtest as it uses Netflix servers.
There's no reason to think you aren't actually getting that speed.
If Comcast is throttling anything, it's Netflix .
Use fast.com for speedtest as it uses Netflix servers.
Yeah streaming isn't happening in my area where the "luxury" internet is $80 5mbps down and .3mbps up.
Can I ask a question that's probably stupid. The average console gamer, what would you guess the lag is on their TV, 40ms maybe.
So how does that compare to a computer monitor, laptop screen, tablet or mobile?
Would concentrating on eliminating the screen lag not give that 40ms extra back for game streaming?
So how does that compare to a computer monitor, laptop screen, tablet or mobile?
Would concentrating on eliminating the screen lag not give that 40ms extra back for game streaming?
Yeah exactly what I was thinking. If your not getting at least 90% of the advertised speed I would be on the phone to the ISP.
I would bet that the majority of gamers don't really care about game ownership. I personally don't.
Maybe there is a vocal minority that does, but that isn't going to hinder the success of streaming. If they get the technicals right and provide an experience that is close to the actual thing, it will be successful.
Well let's test my internet on this cheating Google site
And since it's some kinda cheat to make my speed look good I'll just cut my results by 10, like you did
So let's say I have 1 down, .08 up
Yeah the streaming future is now
And since it's some kinda cheat to make my speed look good I'll just cut my results by 10, like you did
So let's say I have 1 down, .08 up
Yeah the streaming future is now
if this thing takes off, i'm sure google will make deals with ISPs to exclude streaming from data caps.
That's a pretty weird benchmark to have for a product not aimed at VR gaming. :P
I don't think anyone expects streaming to actually work for VR. (If they do, they're crazy IMO.)
If this was measuring total rather than additional latency (ie, with latency inherent in the game + your display excluded), it would be truly incredible, but I'd need to see actual tests to believe it.
This morning I streamed the game to Chrome then streamed my PC to my iPhone. Played pretty well for me. Better quality than when streaming my Xbox, that sits two feet away, to my PC.
I like the idea of tying this kind of streaming to a subscription service like gamepass, where installing them all is obnoxious and they aren't the gems I'm purchasing to keep forever / want to look as nice and smooth as possible.
I like the idea of tying this kind of streaming to a subscription service like gamepass, where installing them all is obnoxious and they aren't the gems I'm purchasing to keep forever / want to look as nice and smooth as possible.
Well let's test my internet on this cheating Google site
And since it's some kinda cheat to make my speed look good I'll just cut my results by 10, like you did
So let's say I have 1 down, .08 up
Yeah the streaming future is now
well obviously you don't meet the requirements for this. There are plenty of people that do...
So yes, for the people that meet the minimum requirements, it is the future.
For you, stick with console gaming and pc gaming.
Average means half. And if 80 percent of people have 2mb down, and 20 percent have 20mb down, that averages out to "the average amount of people meeting requirements"
I feel that latency is more important than bandwidth. 25 megs isn't all that rare these days. The more important thing is low latency and with google having servers everywhere, they can stream the games from anywhere in the country (world) and have low latency.
In fact, the input lag from project stream is pretty comparable to the input lag I experience using local streaming with my steam link device, which is perfectly acceptable to me.
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I'm 100% onboard with Streaming and people can like it or not, it's the Future of Gaming. So very happy too see Project Stream is promising. I'll be there on day 1.
the issue with this is the worry that companies will double down on streaming and people who don't have the internet for it will miss out since they'll leave console gaming and pc gaming by the wayside. Obviously not initially, but it will happen at some point and I have no faith in US telecom companies to keep up with that.
If it is running at 30fps I don't think it's even possible to have 25ms latency. I'd be very surprised if it was less than 50ms total latency overall.
thats probably a valid concern, but the game does actually have to run on real hardware so at the very least, you'll have a pc version to play locally.
fair enough. It's just frustrating to see people who live in metropolitan areas with easily accessible 100mbps internet say that of course the infrastructure is there when most of the US is very very far from it.
I don't agree, Streaming will have a long way to go for the vast majority of people because of bandwith caps and speeds. It's not going to widespread for a long time.
I shudder at the thought of not being able to pay Sony/MS their well deserved 30%... ;)
I feel yah. I'm in california bay area, so I have 150mbps.
I'm all in for streaming. :-)
It's not about them getting their cut it's about everyone else breaking off and having their own service. I'd much rather have 2 solutions that work well than 15 that don't like we do now on PC.
The 30% cut is the pubs motivation for seeking another alternative.
I'm in the Project Stream beta with 200 down and 16 up and I am surprised and enthused by the results. I think having the option to stream is going to be great, going forward. If I can log in to Destiny and do some daily shit on my phone? Hell yeah. But when I want to do something like a raid or PVP, I want to be able to play on a powerful native machine.
It would be Bananas of me to read your entire post while at work, but I read 90% of it! Thanks for the impressions! I'm surprised the controller being wired or not had that much of a difference. I'm pretty sure that difference isn't there with GeForce Now. Maybe I'll sign up for this beta!