Fucking exactly. People saying the Dems should demand concessions in exchange for the Wall are missing the point.
GOP to offer Dems incentives to agree to Trump's wall.
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Fucking exactly. People saying the Dems should demand concessions in exchange for the Wall are missing the point.
Yes but it would take quite a few Republicans to defect and would essentially serve as a vote of no confidence in McConnel's position as Majority Leader.
Daca?lol DreamAct 3.0. Immediate citizenship, no wait q.
Fuck reps. They've toyed with us for so long. Dems better not move an inch.
Fuck reps. They've toyed with us for so long. Dems better not move an inch.
With what support in the Senate? You think Democrats are going to have 60 seats in the Senate? Nope. Any DACA deal WILL involve some sort of deal with Republicans.
JFC launch that entire family into the sun.
Besides Tiffany..........and I guess Baron.
This fucker needs his own 4 walls in a prison.
I'm angry knowing he's in Canada right now. Get off my lawn you fuck
Its up the the states to decide how they distribute electoral college votes. If 270 votes worth of states agree to give their votes to the candidate that wins the popular vote, then the issue of the electoral college will be eliminated. Several states already have legislation in effect that will automatically trigger this change once enough states sign on.
A constitutional amendment would do the trick, but that's less likely to every happen.
DACA was started (and ended) through executive action. No senate is needed for DACA2.
I feel like this is solely to shift the public image into "Hey, we offered to compromise on things they've spent the last two years fighting for, and they still said no. The ball is in their court." and for the average person they're going to fall into this without realizing that the entire issue with DACA exists because of Trump. I think it sets a bad precedent.
"We'll restore the EPA we gutted along with Obama-era environmental regulations in exchange for criminalizing abortion."
An example that doesn't quite match that this is a budgeting conflict or the seriousness of Republicans' fight for the wall (until their next passion project) and Democrats' fight for DACA but I could see it becoming par for course.
They could also just compromise themselves into something like the ACA with this which, yes, provided healthcare for so many but had lost it's initial direction thanks to right-leaning interests that ended up hurting some.
"We'll restore the EPA we gutted along with Obama-era environmental regulations in exchange for criminalizing abortion."
An example that doesn't quite match that this is a budgeting conflict or the seriousness of Republicans' fight for the wall (until their next passion project) and Democrats' fight for DACA but I could see it becoming par for course.
They could also just compromise themselves into something like the ACA with this which, yes, provided healthcare for so many but had lost it's initial direction thanks to right-leaning interests that ended up hurting some.
Will likely be too late.
Sounds entirely likely that Trump is going to declare a national emergency when he visits Texas today, which will use federal spending to "build the wall," while relinquishing Congress' responsibility to pass it in a funding bill. It'll get tied up in court for months, but congress can end the shutdown because "the wall is being built."
Kind of, the whole point of DACA ("Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals") is that it was deferred action waiting for Congress to pass a law. Sure, a lot of government is a farse, but it becomes even more farsicle to have "Deferred Action 2.0." By law, the federal government is supposed to be acting on "childhood arrivals" but the Obama administration deferred that action until congress would pass a lot declaring that the federal government wasn't supposed to act on childhood arrivals, with the expectation that congress would grant them citizenship through amnesty or an accelerated path to citizenship or some sort of permanent non-citizen resident status. That hasn't happened now for ~7 years.
The risk of not asking/expecting congress to ever pass a law and only use executive action results in what we have now... an executive who takes office who actively wants to deport childhood arrivals.
Sounds entirely likely that Trump is going to declare a national emergency when he visits Texas today, which will use federal spending to "build the wall," while relinquishing Congress' responsibility to pass it in a funding bill. It'll get tied up in court for months, but congress can end the shutdown because "the wall is being built."
Kind of, the whole point of DACA ("Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals") is that it was deferred action waiting for Congress to pass a law. Sure, a lot of government is a farse, but it becomes even more farsicle to have "Deferred Action 2.0." By law, the federal government is supposed to be acting on "childhood arrivals" but the Obama administration deferred that action until congress would pass a lot declaring that the federal government wasn't supposed to act on childhood arrivals, with the expectation that congress would grant them citizenship through amnesty or an accelerated path to citizenship or some sort of permanent non-citizen resident status. That hasn't happened now for ~7 years.
The risk of not asking/expecting congress to ever pass a law and only use executive action results in what we have now... an executive who takes office who actively wants to deport childhood arrivals.
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Well thank god the Federal government has to pay for it and not me! Trump stay winning #DrainTheSwamp
If he declares national emergency then cool next Dem prez will do same for single payer healthcare and global warming.
Throw everyone that was working with Trump in the cages they kept the migrant kids at the border without any food or water
Also I want YG to close for Ice Cube with "Fuck Donald Trump"
Here's a list of things the GOP can do:
- Publicly confess on live TV(Fox News 24/7) and internet their entire ideologies and stances are historically shams and are used to get themselves and their rich supporters richer.
- Order a complete shut down of Fox News and Breitbart and jail their top members for life.
- Jail all of the corporate lobbyists and representatives they worked with.
- Roll back all of Trump's policies since 2017.
- Fund a federal committee to take down online hate groups.
- Play this video across Mexico: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFpjU8VBaeM
- Retire from their seats and vow to only work dead-end jobs at fast food joints without promotions.
- Officially state that Red Dead Redemption 2 is trash and only God Of War deserves all the awards.
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Replace jail with guillotine and I'm in!
I mean, I'm all for shitting on this dumb wall, but is this really a surprise? It's just steel slats, not some super material.
or a conservative SCOTUS that rules DACA unconstitutional. The only real DACA "fix" is for congress to pass legislation granting dreamers citizenship.
shocker
Literally ALL Dreamers could be deported by 2020. The Supreme Court is going to be looking at DACA sometime this year, and chances are that they will find it to be unconstitutional, at that point the Dems will be have to make much greater sacrifices like ending family based migration in order to get the Dream Act.
I think it would be foolish for the Dems to miss out of this opportunity.
DACA was potentially doomed the moment Trump sent Sessions to tell the nation "Fuck DACA recipients! Children are guilty for their parents sins!".
DACA is now in the hands of the SC until 2021. Not sure how the GOP is going to do comprehensive immigration after their loss in 2020, but that's the only hope.
Trump can't be trusted at all. He must be destroyed at the ballot box. Why would you believe a deal is even possible? Conditions were 10 times better for him last time and he still fucked DACA recipients over.
He can actually do this?
Trump could take billions from disaster areas to fund wall
Actual comeback I've witnessed: "It's called a prototype for a reason."
Trump could take billions from disaster areas to fund wall
Actual comeback I've witnessed: "It's called a prototype for a reason."
Whether or not this actually works, fuck Trump forever for normalizing the idea of fucking over states purely because they don't vote the way you want.
They really need to just show American citizens all the 101 different ways you can get through/over/under a wall. It's... it's so easy.
I'm under no illusion that Trump cares about the Dreamers, and what I would like the deal to contain is the Dream Act, not DACA, not something that Trump can knock over after getting what he wants.
The problem that I was talking about is that the SC can decide the fate of DACA this year, so what happens when the SC finds DACA unconstitutional and gives Trump the power to revoke the Dreamers statuses? At that point, it's either Dems compromise with much broader shitty immigration reform, or they say #sorry Dreamers, have fun in whatever country Trump ships you off to.
They HAVE to say no. Government shutdown to forcibly get what You want is a horrible dangerous precedent. And knowing Dems they will be the ones threatened and folding every time.
Fuck no. Clean funding bill.
Then, negotiate
Fuck no. Clean funding bill.
Then, negotiate
This isn't about a dumb wall, or even if the stupid wall is a fence or not. It's about normalizing the hostage-taking of federal employees and the American people as a way of bargaining for policy. It's about making an admission that America truly is a land of racism and creating a visible symbol of it. And it's about the Democratic party potentially throwing minorities under the bus again just to keep the government running.
Australia had a Democrat party, since 1977. They held balance of power in the senate for quite a while, and had power and popularity as a centrist party. I say had, though they still exist, because they were deregistered for no longer having enough members in 2016. Their base of support utterly disintegrated after they voted for the conservative government's highly regressive flat-rate GST in 2000. The did their deal with the devil over a policy their base did not want at all, because they thought some concessions and exemptions to the tax was a sufficient "win" rather than blocking the policy as they could have done. They were very wrong and now practically no longer exist.
I see a similarity here with the US Democrats and the "wall". Besides the other great reasons for not caving--the wall being terrible, wasteful and ineffective policy; not legitimising shutdowns as a way to force legislation--they need to stand firm for their own sake.
I see a similarity here with the US Democrats and the "wall". Besides the other great reasons for not caving--the wall being terrible, wasteful and ineffective policy; not legitimising shutdowns as a way to force legislation--they need to stand firm for their own sake.
Concrete isn't a super material either. A drug dealer can afford a rotary hammer, some SDS bits to chip a hole in concrete, as well as a reciprocating saw or grinder to cut the rebar. A 2.5' circular hole wouldn't take a lot of work and isn't going to get shut down when the border is so huge.
As for steel slats, yeah, a recip or grinder is going to be through that piece of shit design nearly as fast as bolt cutters go through chainlink.
lol yeah, just wait for steel version 1.0, much more resistant
Produce decades upon decades of peer reviewed research from every applicable discipline into climate change.
Conservatives: I have my doubts.
Also Conservatives: The wall is a national crisis that needs emergency attention. Gargamel and the Uruk-Hai are pouring into this country and we will all be dead by mornin... Why are you laughing!??
Because if he does this, and then government opens from a new deal it helps to make their plan of making them Dems look bad work more ( to the ill informed/their base)
