Government is to suspend parliament (U.K.) Update: Queen approves the move.
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You know, this happened in Canada twice in the last 15 years. Only difference is Harper had to go to the governor general, not the the queen.
UK isn't direct democracy though. Closer to representative democracy maybe? And as far as I have followed UK status, these representatives have voted "no hard brexit" and couldn't agree on anything else?
If you really voted for brexit you fucked up royally.
You already got an extensions after 2 different leaders tried to make that shit vote palatable.
Since the EU made it clear no deal is happening this is the next logical move for your third leader in charge of making brexit happen.
If you didn't vote for brexit just sit back and wait for this train to end its crash because that was the only future for a brexit vote.
Fair enough to point that out the vote wasn't about how to complete the break up but it is uncharitable to claim the initial vote is purely advisory. The unpopularity of bexit seemed to be rising afterwards. If it was merely advisory the UK wouldn't be in the mess that they are in after changing multiple leaders to make that advice reality.
Boris is on a speed run to be the worst PM in the past _______ years.
Brits can fill in the blank. I was going to say "past 100 years" but let's be open to a much more ambitious sort of shitiness.
Brits can fill in the blank. I was going to say "past 100 years" but let's be open to a much more ambitious sort of shitiness.
I think David Cameron earns honorable mention for instigating this entire disaster in the first place.
Interested Observer and Dan why do you keep saying the queen doesn't have any power? She does, and chooses not to use it....mainly because in all that time the political outrage of using it would be worse and more damaging than whatever she would be able to achieve by using it.
Here we have an unelected PM trying to disband parliament right in a key phase of negotiations for the entire countr(ies).
Refusing his request and allowing parliament to continue is, ironically, the democratic thing to do.
All the checks and balances and "duty" of the monarch not exercising their power has been because people don't want a dictatorship...in this case it would be the complete opposite. It is making sure parliament STAYS in power, and isn't overruled by one guy.
Here we have an unelected PM trying to disband parliament right in a key phase of negotiations for the entire countr(ies).
Refusing his request and allowing parliament to continue is, ironically, the democratic thing to do.
All the checks and balances and "duty" of the monarch not exercising their power has been because people don't want a dictatorship...in this case it would be the complete opposite. It is making sure parliament STAYS in power, and isn't overruled by one guy.
The parliament and the people representatives IS the Democracy. A PM closing the parliament to avoid they take a decision that might go against the PM is antidemocratic.
Even after everything else he's done, that popped collar offends me the most.
EDIT: If it seems like I'm making light of a shit situation, it's because I can't think of anything serious to say that isn't just the sound of a chill wind moaning through the skeleton of a long-forgotten city. I hate that we ended up here.
No.
This would be the equivalent of shit-talking the clerks who have to file the latest anti-abortion motion or eat-the-poor proposal from the Trump admin.
Brexiteers: "all we want is to take back control from those undemocratic bureaucrats in Brussels."
Also brexiteers: "LET'S SHUT DOWN DEMOCRACY BECAUSE WHY THE FUCK NOT"
Also brexiteers: "LET'S SHUT DOWN DEMOCRACY BECAUSE WHY THE FUCK NOT"
You'd hope that a proportional representation system would help out somewhat, but I think evidence doesn't really support that.
Legally, if the referendum had been binding, the vote could have been challenged in the courts due to the electoral rule breaking of the Leave campaign.
But it wasn't. So it couldn't be challenged. There was no legal obligation to honor it. Honoring it was a purely political calculus driven by MPs afraid of being voted out if they didn't.
Do you know what happens when trains crash?
People die. If I'm on a crashing train, maybe I can't stop it crashing, but I'm sure as hell not going to shut up and sit there silently.
If anyone here in London is heading to Parliament Square at 5:30, please post updates and photos in this thread
I think the thing that I've most taken away from all of this, besides the obvious, is how in a 52/48 split in voting, the 48% of us that votes remain were treated as complete non-entities.
If the Queen has this power would you like to tell me the last time this power was wielded?
Looks like the UK has its own Weimar Republic moment here.
Wouldn't be surprised if UK government declares martial law sooner or later to quell any kind of protest / riots.
(lived in UK for over a decade, and recently ran away just before the first extension)
Dear UK people, please prepare for the worst. Get in touch with anyone you know outside of the UK in case you want to get out and flee. After those guys are done with their plan, anyone below upper-Middle class will be majorly fucked.
Wouldn't be surprised if UK government declares martial law sooner or later to quell any kind of protest / riots.
(lived in UK for over a decade, and recently ran away just before the first extension)
Dear UK people, please prepare for the worst. Get in touch with anyone you know outside of the UK in case you want to get out and flee. After those guys are done with their plan, anyone below upper-Middle class will be majorly fucked.
So she simultaneously has no power to refuse legislation/whatever the PM wants, but also has all the power to disband parliament despite amendments being passed?
There wasn't a need for this referendum.
He lost
He ran away and said deal with it
Thanks to Tory cuts there aren't enough police of soldiers for martial law. Some that are available will probably be sent to NI if there is No Deal as well.
I was really sad that UK vited for Brexit, I really wish that had not happened. You are on your 3rd incompetent PM in a row and that sucks.
But, after all, I just wish that 31.10. comes as soon as possible and that the UK finally leaves, no deal and all so the rest of Europe can focus on its own business and all its own problems. Sucks for Europe and especially for Remainers, but just leave already. And have Trump build you a wall while you're at it.
But, after all, I just wish that 31.10. comes as soon as possible and that the UK finally leaves, no deal and all so the rest of Europe can focus on its own business and all its own problems. Sucks for Europe and especially for Remainers, but just leave already. And have Trump build you a wall while you're at it.
So both?
Because I understand being mad at the referendum but the dude staying wouldn't have helped. He saved his skin of course but he couldn't have done anything that May couldn't.
You're right. Could ask for American Military help? You know, in exchange for your free health care?
I mean technically it was an advisory non-binding vote - a binding vote would need a supramajority of 2/3 (?). Just that Cameron went in stating the government would abide by the decision. Which is insanely stupid when you have a complex situation with a myriad unknown repercussions being simplified to a single sentence question
Both. He needed support to maintain a majority, so he promised a referendum on leaving the EU. Then, when the referendum happened, he fucked the whole thing up by not taking appropriate measures to prevent the public being lied to.
Then he has the audacity to quit when the vote goes the wrong way. This was all because of his power play and he gets to just skip town when things don't go the way he wants?
People are mistaking that she hasn't refused legislation with the idea that she can't. Legally speaking, she can, and realistically nothing would come of it. She wouldn't be abdicated or thrown out for reusing Johnson's request.
Ha, after Brexit, they'll be getting our shitty health care system. Brexit will be the death of the NHS.
He also said he could stay and 'deliver the result no matter what'
Then right away, he ran away.
When was the last time this happened? Spoiler: it was fucking 1708. This is absolute nonsense.
Aye cheers pal never mind the people who are gonna die eh?
Dickhead.
It's just cowardly as fuck to instigate a mess of this magnitude, and then just bail. Yeah it probably would have been the same kind of shitshow if he'd stayed, but at the very least he could have then said he tried
What would have happened if she'd refused then? Do you think there's be riots or she'd be overthrown or something? Nothing would have happened to her.
Cameron running away was the most relatable thing he's ever done.
He promised a referendum because he bet that the Lib Dems would have enough support to stop him and thus he could go 'oh well supporters, I tried but those dastardly lib dems stopped me'.
Unfortunately he won a much larger share of the votes then anticipated and thus could no longer rely on the Lib Dems stopping him and realised he had to go through with the vote.
Because this was something he never wanted or agreed with, he basically said 'well good luck trying to sort this shit show out, I'm off!' and fucked off to not have to deal with the consequences of his failed bet.
Will be heading there in a bit. Will try to post good stuff if I can get it.
I think there's a fairly strong argument that he wouldn't have had the same red lines as Theresa May, wouldn't have been as hostile to immigration, and wouldn't have turned remainers into saboteurs and enemies of the people like she did, or normalised no deal with vacuous slogans. We probably could have muddled our way to a soft brexit.
The Queen just washed her hands out if this mess. She just want to live happily and enjoying all the commodities she has, which she will have even when the country's goes to the economic shit hole of a no deal Brexit.
Direct your anger towards those who caused this, not Europeans who have had enough of it dominating the EU parliament.
Europeans didn't cause this, they are perfectly within their rights to be upset about how long this has gone on and the damage it will cause within Europe. The UK is damaging everyone and for what?