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Guy completes Through the Fire and Flames Blindfolded
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lol @ everyone downplaying this because it's "just muscle memory/audio cues". Go ahead and do it yourselves. I'll wait here.
haha seriously...maybe its the new age comers that werent around for guitar hero graetness.
a performance for the ages
more seriously : i can't even follow easier songs on 'hard', so i can't even fathom how this is possible or how much time it takes to pull off
more seriously : i can't even follow easier songs on 'hard', so i can't even fathom how this is possible or how much time it takes to pull off
It is only like memorizing 3700 plus differing button combinations in perfect order and in perfect time. Anyone can do it with a few minutes of practice. Good ol muscle memory.
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The part being played down is the "blindfolded" part. Playing a song like that 100% is impressive. playing it blindfolded if you can already play it 100% isn't a huge step up in difficulty.
It takes a lot of time to do something like this since it's advanced. you will most likely have put in 10s maybe even close to a 100 Hours before you are ready to start learning something this hard
You don't remember that many button combinations though. You remember phrases (mostly by sound) and you learn them instinctively. Then you learn how they fit into each various part of the song. IE the chorus repeats the same sets of phrases each time. each verse is identical. So in reality it breaks down into roughly 6-8 sections that you learn individually. that each consist of a manageable number of phrases. (Intro, Verse, Pre Chorus, Chorus, Bridge, Solo) The Solo is the hardest part because it's the most unique section in the song.However otherwise its reasonably manageable when you compartmentalize it like that
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Cool - Thanks for the answer
Personally i only played a couple games back then on GH3 i believe and for some reason i always felt dizzy just after 2-3 games on one of the low difficulties.
Actually felt the same watching that video lol
But i can definitely see this takes a crazy amount of skill and time investment to achieve that with this song and probably others.
i ...can do it too !!
....With my eyes on easy difficulty. /s
Kudos to him , this song is more insane that it even looks
....With my eyes on easy difficulty. /s
Kudos to him , this song is more insane that it even looks
I found out about Clone Hero just a few weeks ago myself, so I decided to buy myself a cheap Xplorer and have been playing for a few days now. The game is extremely well made, much better than FoF ever was. I haven't played GH/RB since around 2011, but it's so nice to be back again. I also like the custom charts people are making that adds the open notes for the guitar like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI-HfEF3P4I
That was damned impressive. I have a hard enough time on Normal.
Yeah, agreed on all of this. Rocksmith 2014 is definitely a good tool. It's a bit weak on teaching proper technique, but it's excellent for dexterity and learning fretboard navigation. The riff repeater function also lets you pick out specific parts of a song to train on, and you can set the speed. Also there is a massive list of custom songs that people have made, and you can get those for free, so you're not limited to just the songs that come with the game or are DLC.
Yeah, agreed on all of this. Rocksmith 2014 is definitely a good tool. It's a bit weak on teaching proper technique, but it's excellent for dexterity and learning fretboard navigation. The riff repeater function also lets you pick out specific parts of a song to train on, and you can set the speed. Also there is a massive list of custom songs that people have made, and you can get those for free, so you're not limited to just the songs that come with the game or are DLC.
Definitely calling bullshit here. Have you even tried playing a guitar hero song blindfolded?
I guess you never played Guitar Hero... or you just like to be edgy af X'D
Came to basically say the same thing. Someone always gotta shit on the parade.
Guitar skills from GH aren't really transferable to real guitar. Drums charts are often very accurate though.
I've played guitar in a band setting. (We were shitty and its not about me) The fact is you don't get music when you are playing live. At most you get chord chart which doesn't help all that much and you barely look at it. Everything you play you need to have memorized. Its a completely natural behavior.
That song is incredibly hard and 100% completeing it is really impressive. However no one* can sight read at that speed. In order to 100% it you need to know the song off by heart.
You are still under minding it.
What you said, applies to a song that is repetitive and you can break down into small chunks.
Ok there is 3700 presses, but you only need to memorize 50 variations of 50 strikes to win.
But that particular song is not so simple.
You can memorize chunks of it, but it is all over the place. You can maybe break it up into a couple of hundred sequences, but that is still super impressive.
The fact that out of millions of players, only a few can do this.. it is impressive, and you cannot devalue it unless you can prove that it is easily repeatable.
You seem to have missred my post. Here is the dot point version.
- The first point i litterally said that being able to play a song that hard is impressive. I am not undermining that at all.
- My main contention is that playing the song blindfolded is not really any different to playing when you can see the notes. Playing songs without music is relitively standard fare for almost any musician. (Although most are simple and most will never learn anything that hard)
- My final point was just to explain the process on how you comitt a song to memory. I was trying to say how it was done, in a simple way to encourage another poster.
- Essentially i was trying to say that if this was a speech with 3000+ characters you wouldn't learn it letter by letter. You would learn words, phrases, sentences and paragraphs.
To people asking if someone could play the song in real guitar with type of muscular memory, no, he couldn't. It's another step of added difficulty.
Now, Pro Drums is pretty fucking close. It made me buy a real eletronic drum kit and my friends were impressed with my skill from just playing Rock Band.
My Rock Band 2 Drums broke and it's hard to find them in Brazil. I need to change my kit and buy the adapter to play again.
Now, Pro Drums is pretty fucking close. It made me buy a real eletronic drum kit and my friends were impressed with my skill from just playing Rock Band.
My Rock Band 2 Drums broke and it's hard to find them in Brazil. I need to change my kit and buy the adapter to play again.
As someone who's played a fair share of rhythm games (although not Guitar Hero specifically), I really don't think this is true at all. While memorization does help, you really can't say that memorizing the entire song is the only way to full combo it, and you especially can't say that sight reading something like this isn't possible (because it 100% is. Guitar Hero isn't even as fast as something like Beatmania, and people can sight read that just fine.)
If you told me that I could do a full combo play in a rhythm game that took me about 2 year of practice (about 300 hours) could just as easily have been done blindfolded, you'd be 100% wrong. Like, I don't even think I could even last 10 seconds before failing that same song blindfolded.
And from my experience, the best way to actually get better at full combing a song isn't to just repeat it until you memorize it. It's to go and play harder songs you can barely clear, then come back later after your skills have improved. That is to say, memorizing songs is basically a waste of time, relatively speaking.
For a less personal approach, you can just look at something like osu that has a specific difficulty modifier that increases your score while hiding notes. And nobody uses it, despite it being a game where like 90% of the community is completely, utterly obsessed with high scores. If there really was no difference, everyone would be using it for free points. And yet they don't.
I mean, I don't think this play is particularly impressive compared to some I've seen, but that's more because there so much more to rhythm games than memorization that this doesn't showcase at all, because it focuses so much in pure memorization. Mind you, it still is impressive.
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I was going to say this.
This really goes for anything that has alot to do with muscle memory. In order to do a song like this, you pretty much have to make it muscle memory. And at that point, you can almost do it unconsciously. Do it enough and yeah, you can do it blindfolded.
Tough combos in fighting games are also like this. There's alot of spacing and quick inputs, buffering, microdashes, ect ect. But by the time you're good enough to consistently do it, doing it without looking at the screen isn't that surprising. You probably wouldn't even have to practice doing it.
Him being able to actually 100% the song is about 98% of the amazingness. Him doing it blindfolded is a drop in the bucket compared to actually being able to do it in the first place.
Isn't it a challenge to commit the entire song to memory even a tiny bit? Isn't relying 100% on memory with no aids an addition of challenge?
As someone who was a bit of a teenage shredder, I can say categorically, that, no, it really doesn't stack up. The simple act of even fretting on a guitar (ie, pressing a button) is considerably more tricky. Hammer ons, pull offs and tapping runs are also more far more difficult, requiring precise velocity and technique. And there's the reality that you have do all that without hitting the strings above or below and causing noise - it all has to flow smoothly. That's just the basics - it's tougher still on the right hand here as you've got to jump between six different strings rather than a single paddle and Dragonforce are not only using basic things like palm muting to get the dull chugging sound and alternate picking - they're also using some very advanced techniques like hybrid and sweep picking to get the fast runs, pinched harmonics all over the shop and a whole bunch of whammy bar pulls (which, unlike Guitar Hero, if you do them wrong, will knock the whole guitar out of tune).
TL;DR, the left-hand finger coordination and rhythm will transfer, but pretty much nothing else will.
Okay, now do it with the Pro Controller or an actual MIDI guitar on Rock Band 3. I can't even find anyone doing it on Youtube. At that point you're playing the entire damn song and I'm pretty sure even the original guitarist makes the occasional mistakes.
Really nice stuff - I get stuck on any really fast hit changes, which basically kills any high level expert songs for me - I do play Taiko way more however, I bet I could do Op 10 No 4 blindfolded on hard...
