the hooded justice episode is arguably one of the best superhero stories i've seen on film or television ever. I really want more stories like this, both fantastical and grounded in reality that confront the white supremacy and systemic racism embedded amongst all institutions. its needed now more than ever. and it can be done better.
did not like the finale though. a vastly interesting miniseries that just capped off with a kinda dull and conventional final episode. it is very much worth watching despite that however.
Watch this show. If not the best show in recent memory, it certainly is the best thing HBO have put out for a while.
This is a show for adults who were impressed by the race metaphor in Zootopia.
I think the show is a lot worse in a post-George Floyd world. It's good that it showed the Tulsa massacre, but it's very much like a lot of copaganda out there and Lindelof's ideas of a liberal run USA are lame, especially now when so many cops cry about being under siege.
I'm probably misremembering, but wasn't the police force basically synonymous with the KKK in this?
Tulsa stuff is cool, but this is a series who has a black protagonist who's entire social circle is comprised of white people, her white children [rest is spoilers...]and a husband who is a white demigod pretending to be a black man. Additionally, the main villain of the story is a person of color saying "fuck this racist ass world."
The police chief was part of a KKK-like group, but that was it.
the Hooded Justice ep feels like something Jordan Peele could've written. It's brilliant.
Easily one of the greatest single hours of TV ever. Even more so when you realize who the store owner is supposed to be.
There were more going back to the Hooded Justice episode; although he himself was a cop surrounded by KKK colleagues.
I can stream it perfectly well from the website from Germany without any VPN shenanigans. That should work for you, too!
Awesome news! Thanks I will try when I get a chance.I can stream it perfectly well from the website from Germany without any VPN shenanigans. That should work for you, too!
You mean Spoiler tag who that person is- or spoiler tag my original post?
This is a contextual spoiler for what happens in that episode:
It sure seems like Watchmen turned Donald Trump’s father into one of its racist villains
The "Fred" in Watchmen’s sixth episode has a lot in common with Fred Trump.www.vox.com
This is a pretty galling and reductive statement. Especially since this show started out by showing the Tulsa race riots. I'm not going to say it's an A+ examination of race in America, but I still felt it was way more thoughtful than other shows that try to tip-toe around the subject.This is a show for adults who were impressed by the race metaphor in Zootopia.
This is a pretty galling and reductive statement. Especially since this show started out by showing the Tulsa race riots. I'm not going to say it's an A+ examination of race in America, but I still felt it was way more thoughtful than other shows that try to tip-toe around the subject.
It's definitely not perfect, I was pretty disappointed with how it ended, but I still feel the show was excellent for what it did do well and I'm looking forward to rewatching for that reason. The highs are so high and that lows didn't hurt the show too much for me.The idea of the liberal run USA were poorly executed when trying to use it as a direct allegory for how that would look in America today or extending some of the ideas to their natural conclusion, but I think that is was paying respect to Moore's original comic continuity with Robert Redford being elected to office and spending more than 2 terms in office. Also, they wanted a reason for Veidt to have a key role in the show, so him being a liberal with a plot in the original comic that could be seen as him creating his own lberal utopia, I could see why they went the direction in the show that they did (I haven't read the original graphic novel to be fair, only have seen the motion comic and the movie and read discussion about the graphic novel and elements in it that aren't contained in either other media but have evidently been referenced by the show). But yeah, being able to have a plot that creates a liberal "deep state" that attempts to control narratives to have a liberal president reigning for years is clunky, and there are lots of ideas that are clunky or problematic when trying to extrapolate ideas from this alternative universe to ours in 1:1 direct allegory (like much fiction I can think of, unfortunately), but while I would have liked them to explore some themes deeper and find a better way to tie those themes to the plot, I think how deep and relevant it manages to express and explore some of it's themes, it does deserve a lot of credit, even if it should have gone further.
I think looking back, writing and shooting the Veidt stuff first due to scheduling and timing constraints and then building the show around that side plot ultimately hurt what the show could have been. The show could have done more with more episodes, but I think trying to tie it into Veidt and other original characters felt like weakpoints for the show in some ways rather than strengths. The original character create for some interesting references, continuity, and continued exploration of themes from the original graphic novel, but for me, the original characters felt a bit off in Lindelof's interpretation of how they would be today and they take away from the show at times by trying to reimagine them, while honoring their legacy, while making them relevant to the plot, etc. when the best, most poignant stuff in the show is the elements that were original creations that were inspired by the events from the original.
I'm interested in doing a rewatch due to recent events, since it feels even more relevant now. Everyone wearing masks due to Covid-19 and police covering their badge numbers, it feels oddly prescient. Even things like highlighting the realities of the Tulsa Massacre and white supremacist infiltration in the police force and working with politicians are things that seem like unbelievable fiction to people, but introducing and confronting people with those ideas, which are very based in reality, offset some of the clunky handling, under-exploration of themes, and many other flaws for me.