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Where do you get the shields/divine spirits for that though? The test subject abuse is where the infinite trail of spells is coming from.
1-0 in arena and I get matched up with a hunter who plays turn 1 coin + prince keleseth, which gets activated.
You have to be kidding me.
I managed to beat him, but it was such a ridiculous starting hand for him.
You have to be kidding me.
I managed to beat him, but it was such a ridiculous starting hand for him.
I'm not invalidating anything you're saying, I just wanted to add that BSM vs. Togwaggle is literally one of the worst match-ups in Hearthstone right now.
I don't use HSReplay, so i can't say how accurate it is, but it seems a bit weird to group decks together under the same class. I don't really get how that is supposed to be helpfull. I have always just used VS(https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/). Anyway here is where they are atm.
The armor isn't enough against maly and alex.
Nothing you can do against Toggwaggle.
A small chance against hadronox.
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I've heard this complaint in a few different places concerning HSReplay. If you go to the website you can find the same sort of information. I use both websites so I'm not particularly biased.
That's the problem. There are too many lopsided matchups. I understand there will be some element of this, some RNG, some draw dependency. But when "balance" is primarily dependent on matchups (i.e., an archetype is "balanced" because it wins 90% of the time vs half of the other archetypes, and 10% of the other half), that's approaching Rock Paper Scissors.
I'm wondering what deck will take me the farthest. I was liking the No Fun Control Warlock that just runs every anticombo tool and does decent against aggro too. Might just try that, or wait it out and see what people are saying in the Tavern Brawl reddit thread.
It's actually insane how much zoolock is dominating the meta right now. I don't remember a time when one deck made up so much of the ladder. Not really healthy for the game.
In other news, more veteran Hearthstone devs have left Blizzard for Brode's company.
In other news, more veteran Hearthstone devs have left Blizzard for Brode's company.
Yeah I dont really get it. Lot of decks own it. The magnets own it. Rogue owns it. Even even warlock can own it..
Feels good to own Druid though after what they put us through these last few months..
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Who?
I hate to say it, but I feel like this expansion has been a real departure from the Hearthstone I've known and loved the past 3 years. The combo decks are just out of control. I might be jumping ship to whatever Brode and Co. have up their sleeve.
Even at peak shaman, I don't remember seeing it as frequently.
https://twitter.com/seconddinner/status/1029786058269945856
And it's not this expansion that has been the true departure. I think Kobolds is where the game shifted. This is just the continuation. Recruit and similar effects have really damaged the concept of tempo in HS in favor of combo. Lots of people in this thread think combo is fun, but I think it sucks.
So yeah, I still enjoy HS and all, but the game seems lost right now. The rock-paper-scissors meta means your individual skill at piloting a deck is outweighed by the matchup. I guess there's still some skill left in all the Zoo-Zoo mirrors!
I don't know what Brode is cooking up, but I will be very interested if its a CCG.
You realize that brode was the leading dev for this and the next couple sets to varying degrees.
Tried zoolock in the brawl and only won 2 games :|
Ah well
Is Floop and Prince Taldaram necessary for Malygos druid? I don't want to use any more dust this week
Ah well
Is Floop and Prince Taldaram necessary for Malygos druid? I don't want to use any more dust this week
Yeah, you are right. It definitely started a couple expansions ago. The game became less about finding small tempo gains here and there as you progressed from early, to mid, to late game and more about huge swing turns and cheating out big minions. And now, to combat that, they've really turned up the combos to 11. So you either are breaking the game through huge tempo turns or breaking the game through OTKs.
People used to complain about aggro dominating the meta, back in the day, but this is way, way more egregious and unfun, IMO.
I think this news actually warrants a new thread.
Thats a lot of the core Hearthstone team.
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Where are you getting your zoo stats btw? I'm looking at HSReplay popularity and Zoo is only at 11.4% across all ranks over the last 3 days. Not even close to some of the worst offenders like undertaker hunter, mid-range shaman and Jade Druid in their prime.
8 wins in brawl for me. i beat a turn 1 kelseth healock lol
https://hsreplay.net/replay/8ZUiHiymASnzNQEhgEjQtC
final deck that got me was a dragon priest, respect to that guy, top ranks were all druids and warlocks otherwise (yes i know i'm playing odd paly, but my build has 8 cards from the new expansion so fite me)
https://hsreplay.net/replay/8ZUiHiymASnzNQEhgEjQtC
final deck that got me was a dragon priest, respect to that guy, top ranks were all druids and warlocks otherwise (yes i know i'm playing odd paly, but my build has 8 cards from the new expansion so fite me)
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You can add void ripper or possibly blood knight as nice tech choices. basically all you want to do is refill the board over and over. i had to get twisting nether'd two turns in a row once bc you can always fill the board from your hand. stonehill defender is weak and can be tossed for one of those techs but if you pull sunkeeper tarim you win the game so i play two
I started just after undertaker was nerfed, so I don't know about that, but I'm going on feel. Does any site have historical data on this?
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I did a quick search on Vicious Syndicate and found that 2 weeks after Frozen Throne came out it was over 16% of the meta and Druid was 30% overall. https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-60/
Pre-spirit claws nerf aggro shaman was 15% of the meta. https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-36/
And the old classic Midrange shaman, by itself, was whopping 20.75% of the meta https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-25/
We'll be getting a vS Data Report tomorrow. Will be interesting to see their take on the meta. I keep track of a lot of different things and almost always have a streamer on in the background.
I'm definitely getting mixed feelings from people on how much they like this meta and expansion. Personally this is nowhere near some of the worst metas, but I will always look forward to balance changes, if and when they materialize.
Lol, so I dusted morrigan so I could craft something and then I pull her from one of my packs I just got. Damn it .
Never dust a legendary until your done opening packs for the expansion and start saving for the new one. Re-opening the bad ones hurts. Its the only reason I haven't dusted that bad stealth one that transforms int your opponents minion.
I absolutely can not believe the RNG on this game sometimes.
Was just playing an arena game and I had 2 2/1 minions on my side. My opponent had a 1/1 silver hand and the 3/1 mech which has the deathrattle of summon 3 1/1 mechs. I play bane of doom on the 3/1 mech and get Despicable Dreadlord, which calls the 4 1/1s at the end of my turn.
Was just playing an arena game and I had 2 2/1 minions on my side. My opponent had a 1/1 silver hand and the 3/1 mech which has the deathrattle of summon 3 1/1 mechs. I play bane of doom on the 3/1 mech and get Despicable Dreadlord, which calls the 4 1/1s at the end of my turn.
I am playing a deck by Chinoize. It is fun, and a bit different, which is everything I want in a deck. Can do really powerful stuff - both aggressive and defensive. Kinda feels like Controlock, but lacks a way to counter OTK hands. It is MUCH more sticky on board though. I have played Overload Shaman decks before, but this feels significantly better with the new cards.
I also used this deck. It's really fun:
But it's kinda weak against aggro decks. Even Shaman is a better option to climb the latter.
Someone with more experience playing all different kinds of trading card games please enlighten me, because "most of our card changes address the perception of class balance more than they address actual class win rates" seems like a crazy admission to make.
If you're nerfing cards that are perceived to be overpowered but in truth aren't, then you're lowering the power level of a class that your data states is fine to maybe below playable levels. I can see this reasoning standing up for cases like the rogue quest but to say it's the logic you apply to most of your balancing decisions?
Or is he saying that when a class is out of line, they nerf cards that are perceived badly by the community rather than the actual OP cards? Though I can't think of too many examples of this either. Maybe nerfing Spreading Plague over Ultimate Infestation applies. But there are just as many counter-examples, like nerfing Small-Time Buccaneer and Fiery War Axe before finally touching Patches like players had been yelling for or throwing Rockbiter Weapon and Tuskarr Totemic under the bus to preserve the much hated Tunnel Trogg into Totem Golem opening to infinity.
I'm sort of in the same spot. I just netdeck, but don't really understand what I can build with what I have and I have quite a few cards, and it's BECAUSE I have so many cards. I don't understand synergies and how some of these cards play off each other, with the exception of death rattle stuff. I have a pretty decent death rattle deck for hunter but that doesn't go too far.
I think the followup is presumably that they make nerfs they don't think will neuter a whole archetype. That's why they didn't touch Patches or Trogg/Golem right away - you'd just completely wipe out the decks if you did that.
If your entire userbase is up in arms about a deck, it doesn't matter if it's perfectly balanced. It only matters that the playerbase doesn't understand that it's balanced and wants it fixed. You have to react to that, even if it hinders game balance.
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