Helldivers 2 has been delisted on Steam in countries where PSN isn't available
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Why? Sony's still having them make games. https://www.eurogamer.net/bend-studios-next-project-will-be-a-aaa-live-service-game
I was on the side of "it's just a sign in for an account you can make in five minutes, who cares"
Removing people's ability to play just because they aren't on your country list is an entirely different story. Hope those people can get their money back or a way back in.
Removing people's ability to play just because they aren't on your country list is an entirely different story. Hope those people can get their money back or a way back in.
Yeah if Sony is stupid enough to burn bridges with AH over this i would assume AH can just pick whoever they want to work with next maybe even get some funding and self publish.
I think this situation is being really overblown, given the numerous examples of precedent setting over the years from other publishers.
PlayStation game asks for a PlayStation sign in, news at 11.
The unsupported countries thing is the real headline to me.
PlayStation game asks for a PlayStation sign in, news at 11.
The unsupported countries thing is the real headline to me.
The game blew the fuck up. AH and Sony was expecting 250k to 500k concurrent players max when it launched and it got a million+.
If any little thing could help stablize the game the developers were going to do it. You just don't let success run away from you like that.
Unless of course ya Sony and decided the good vibes weren't worth it over the numbers.
Yes, that's right, the unsupported countries thing and it being delisted in those countries is literally the title and topic of this thread.
go back to my previous post then.
How can Arrowhead FORCE Sony to not enforce PSN linking at the start.
But is powerless to STOP Sony from enforcing PSN linking now?
When Arrowhead has a BETTER negotiating position from all this success?
But it's *clearly* not the only thing being discussed in this thread.
Combination of big smash hit and Sony's first big GAAS hit. Huge magnifying glass, which has mainly been highlighting glowing reception until this.
Bloodborne and Days Gone sold over 7 million copies each, and other sales data on Sony’s first-party games | Game World Observer
More sales data on PlayStation’s first-party games has emerged as a result of a ransomware attack suffered by Insomniac Games. It also includes information about titles like Bloodborne and Days Gone, figures for which Sony hasn’t updated in years.
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I just thought it was funny to say "x is the real headline" when it literally is the headline. Usually that's what people say about something that isn't the headline. That's what surprised me.
I think they can still backtrack and make PSN linking optional and all this will be hoopla forgotten in a week.
(And maybe restoring the game on our stores and officially allowing linking of accounts regardless of region? I mean, I already did it and it was a matter of changing the website's country preference)
Just give incentive to linking and be done with it. It's not worth all the drama.
Just continue putting out great content that people enjoy. And also maybe put the game on sale to up those numbers again lol
Seriously though, its starting to feel like an overblown issue over people not wanting to make an account. I mean I get it, I lamented doing it for 5 minutes for so many other publishers, but man, seeing people using it as fuel for not wanting an account but not really caring about those that are actually affected, how few we may be, is kinda weird.
(And maybe restoring the game on our stores and officially allowing linking of accounts regardless of region? I mean, I already did it and it was a matter of changing the website's country preference)
Just give incentive to linking and be done with it. It's not worth all the drama.
Just continue putting out great content that people enjoy. And also maybe put the game on sale to up those numbers again lol
Seriously though, its starting to feel like an overblown issue over people not wanting to make an account. I mean I get it, I lamented doing it for 5 minutes for so many other publishers, but man, seeing people using it as fuel for not wanting an account but not really caring about those that are actually affected, how few we may be, is kinda weird.
First, as I said many times already, we don't know in what way this affected the functionality of the game, if at all. For instance, this could have been disabled to streamline the debugging of their backend. We just don't know.
Second, if you know that this is a requirement of your publisher, you treat it as essential for the functionality of your product and if you want to disable it, you communicate with them and if and only if you receive their confirmation, you proceed to disable it.
It was required at launch. I had to do it to play the game on PC. Then the servers went kaput (causing the infamous stuck queue) and Sony/Arrowhead make the link screen skippable to help the servers.
I really don't understand people who continue to defend Sony by saying "this is not a big deal, just make the account," and, "other companies require a separate login," and 'the startup screen did say this was eventually going to be required." It's a moot point in my opinion. The game worked before without this login; and now it is required and is causing for some players.
That objectively sucks. There is no benefit being offered the players besides some vague wording about how it will stop cheating and will allow some people to appeal bans. A PSN account should not be required for those features.
Additionally, the only reason this seems to have been implemented is to get Sony's monthly-active-users (MAUs) for their investors. I don't give a shit about that, and I hope others don't care either. Please don't defend companies enshittifying products because your identity is tied up in the console war.
I really don't get the mentality that some people in this thread have that want to defend Sony so badly. Especially when they created this mess themselves by not enforcing the policy from the get go. At least give users some kind of tangible benefit beyond features that should be standard for this kind of game.
That objectively sucks. There is no benefit being offered the players besides some vague wording about how it will stop cheating and will allow some people to appeal bans. A PSN account should not be required for those features.
Additionally, the only reason this seems to have been implemented is to get Sony's monthly-active-users (MAUs) for their investors. I don't give a shit about that, and I hope others don't care either. Please don't defend companies enshittifying products because your identity is tied up in the console war.
I really don't get the mentality that some people in this thread have that want to defend Sony so badly. Especially when they created this mess themselves by not enforcing the policy from the get go. At least give users some kind of tangible benefit beyond features that should be standard for this kind of game.
Let's change the order.
How can Sony force Arrowhead to re/enable the functionality? Do they invade their studio? First they would communicate and come to an agreement, and that takes time.
Edit: First they came to an agremeent that PSN would be at launch, which it was; then AH proceeded unilaterally to disable PSN shortly after and now, after talking with Sony, AH is going to reenable PSN. Not that hard to follow.
I really don't think it is Arrowhead who is forcing PSN account link. Sony might have given them time to get the house in order but account link feels like a publisher thing, same as choosing where you sell the game.
Absolutely mind-blowing that Sony finally gets a megaton GaaS game, that's also big on PC — two things they've been chasing for a long time, in a single package — and then they do this. Even if they completely walk it back next week, it's unlikely that a significant amount of the 175,000+ negative Steam reviews will.
What a mess. A completely needless one at that.
What a mess. A completely needless one at that.
Why does "it worked before" matter? Of course it worked before. Do you think all the other logins for other games are required to make those games work?
Companies use them for tracking players, which means statistics for them, and it means things like cross saves, cross play, and cross friends for us.
Companies use them for tracking players, which means statistics for them, and it means things like cross saves, cross play, and cross friends for us.
Read the thread. Sony did enforce it at the start. Arrowhead decided to temporarily disable the requirement.
Of course it's Sony forcing to reenable PSN. The issue is that PSN should have been present and obligatory since the beginning but AH fucked up and now we're in this mess.
it's pretty obvious much of the pushback is from people who are opposed to account linking on principle and the region stuff is a thing they're seizing on to say linking bad. It's not like the only people complaining are in affected regions. If tomorrow they rolled out a different version in PSN-less countries that didn't require linking, but still enforced it in the rest of the world, people would still be pissed.
Like it is mandated to only create accounts from the country you are living in? Because Sony doesn't enforce it because they hadn't yet expanded to the specific country?
Sometrhing that people tell us here all the time is not a big deal because Sony isn't enforcing it for 2 decades?
So, maybe players can be excused thinking this "mandatory but not enforced" account linking would also hold for 2 decades?
Again I highly doubt they got to just turn it off without Sony.
That is still on Sony/Arrowhead for not actually having the server bandwidth and tech in place. I don't really see the difference, they made the mistake.and now are trying to backtrack
Yeah at first I was definitely in the "oh who cares, just make the fucking account" side of things, but I REALLY underestimated how far Sony was willing to take this. Good lord.
When you see people who already have PSN accounts refusing to link it for this game, it really makes the whole thing seem extra absurd. This account linking shit is breaking brains on both sides.
Super curious how many will stick to their principles. As more and more games require this, are people going to write off untold amounts of future games because they don't want to type in a password? I just don't see it, and I think publishers know if they create good games, most people will just accept it.
Super curious how many will stick to their principles. As more and more games require this, are people going to write off untold amounts of future games because they don't want to type in a password? I just don't see it, and I think publishers know if they create good games, most people will just accept it.
Can that screenshot be thread marked maybe? Would stop the circular arguments.
I don't understand, I was just replying to you saying it wasn't mandatory to link a PSN account day 1 with HD2 except it was. I couldn't get past the splash screen. I already had an account so I didn't even think about it.
The whole PSN region thing, I know that's been a big issue for years.
Aside from the people who live in regions that can't play the game anymore due to PSN, this seems a lot like "bitch eating crackers." I still cannot understand why this 3rd party account is so different than all the other 3rd party accounts required to play different games on Steam. There's not even a standalone launcher.
What? We do know how it affected the game. They were talking about it on the official discord server. Hell one thing they told PC users who had their PSN accounts linked was to disable cross-play with PS5 due to server issues and messing with PC quickplay.
I cannot pull up screen caps since they changed the discord around when they had bug reports and whatnot.
They were pretty clear on the official discord.
people are saying they could click the skip button from day 1. So it wasn't required.
Doubt they'll remove it. I'm not optimstic.
They might make a different SKU for the unsupported PSN countries and they are the only ones that don't require a PSN link
Weird, I didn't have a skip button. Of course I ended up locked out of my account after linking for a security reason that I had to contact Sony support for, so I'm not the best example here.
Didn't mean to sound antagonistic or anything! Seems I had a one-off experience.
Right lmaoooo, what's next? Saying Larian is in trouble because they shit talked publishers? The corpo pandering in this thread smh.
It's not that different.
Most games that have introduced a launcher after a game is already out, like the recent 2K launcher, have normally received a bunch of negative reviews in return and I think that's a fair and expected thing.
Sony's poor communication, not being prepared for the multiple unsupported PSN regions and the extreme measure of delisting for all the affected countries, has escalated this to a wild level.
this implies that PC gamers don't get annoyed and whine about other account linking - because they do
why do I have to sign in with my MS account to play FH4 on steam, but it can't sync my save data from the same account??? this has turned me off from buying MS games on steam for the most part, even if it's "just a sign in".
Well it's different because Uplay, EA app, 2k launcher are available pretty much everywhere and you are not left out because you can't create an account.
I genuinely think a lot of people just aren't aware that you can create a PSN account in say, USA and it'll just work and not have any issue.
The people I've come across IRL who are aware of this are people who already have PSN accounts because they have owned Playstation consoles in the past. Those I know who only play on PC have no idea about any of this or how it works. They're greeted with this and don't see their country and to them, there's no other option.
Hell, even clicking United States from here doesn't even take you to a 'create an account' page - you just get the regular Playstation website. You have to click Sign In and then hit the create an account button. There is no onboarding whatsoever from the link provided.
I've seen other people claiming that they didn't have the skip button as Rowsdower is saying, so who are we believing?
But whatever, even in the time that the requirement was temporarily disabled, the setup screen had this text:
"Linking your Steam account to a Playstation Network account is required for playing the game"
Maybe I need to improve my English reading comprehension, but the text is literally saying that the linking is required. It doesn't matter that for the moment you could skip this step, the requirement is still there and everybody could read that. That's not sony's fault.
Sony's fault is selling the game to not supported countries and all the messing is doing with this matter right now. They need to solve this shitty situation for all the people that will lose access to the game, that's a fact I think.
The skip button was added several hours after launch with a hotfix due to server load. But if you booted it up in first few hours it was mandatory to link.
^ That is a list not of full PSN stores, but also of countries that have localized PlayStation website.I genuinely think a lot of people just aren't aware that you can create a PSN account in say, USA and it'll just work and not have any issue.
The people I've come across IRL who are aware of this are people who already have PSN accounts because they have owned Playstation consoles in the past. Those I know who only play on PC have no idea about any of this or how it works. They're greeted with this and don't see their country and to them, there's no other option.
Hell, even clicking United States from here doesn't even take you to a 'create an account' page - you just get the regular Playstation website. You have to click Sign In and then hit the create an account button. There is no onboarding whatsoever from the link provided.
My country of Serbia only has the localized website [which was added recently], but everything related to accounts and game purchases is handled via UK PSN. Everyone in my country uses UK or US PSN accounts.
Someones gonna come and make a replacement
I can already see a Fortnite spinoff lol
Cant believe sony butchered this relationship, AH falling out of line and encouraging the refunds must make Sony real mad
I can already see a Fortnite spinoff lol
Cant believe sony butchered this relationship, AH falling out of line and encouraging the refunds must make Sony real mad
Prediction: Tomorrow Sony will backtrack and post a .jpg of an apology with the helldivers logo at the top, and then a lot of people in this thread will say "see? it wasn't such a big deal, you didn't have to whine so much" despite said "whining" being what provoked the backtrack
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