Helldivers 2 has been delisted on Steam in countries where PSN isn't available
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If people are taking your message in a way you don't want them to, sometimes the best thing to do is to stop giving messages.
Congrats sony
This is such an own-goal, and for what?
I don't think it is a good idea for him to post this
Or hear me out, maybe just maybe, we should stop remotely giving steam reviews credit at all.
Players can and should be held accountable for this.
To be fair, as a dev (not game dev), that sounds both like a perfectly reasonable request from a publisher to make as well as a perfectly reasonable timeframe to implement it in.
In principle, there is nothing weird or wrong in how Sony requested it.
Instead of simply giving an exception for those in regions psn isn't available in, Sony about to say this pc headache ain't worth it anymore if their other games get review bombed too and don't sell. Those ports about to dry up.
I'm only half joking. I doubt that would happen.
But hey, AH CEO and staff. Stop giving disgruntled gamers ideas lol
If the only lesson Sony takes here is that this is just about the account linking and how it was done, and doesn't think about how they had 0 communications throughout the weekend to diffuse the situation, this will happen to them again, and again, and again but with different controversies.
Sony going to go "the hell with this" to Steam and make their own launcher; thus the circle is complete.
Not a bad idea!
I try to only pay attention to the most helpful pos/neg reviews anyway, not the overall rating.
PSN was introduced 17 years ago. What's the reasonable timeframe for making it a global, universal system that's not full of warts?
Someone take his phone away. Egging on people to review bomb other PlayStation titles is not where I expected this go. 😂
Doesn't steam has a system in place, deleting or hiding all negative reviews if there are part of review bombing? Basically having a banner "in this timeframe there have been a lot of negative reviews due to a controversal change in the game" and not include these ratings in the overall rating of the game? I thought I saw instances like that before with other games.
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This screams a systemic problem more so than the issue at hand. Children.
God of War and other Sony games are also getting review bombed. That makes no sense.
40 reviews is not a review bomb. It's barely a review firecracker.
And also important: that doesn't crash with an influx of new users. So far the only perceived benefit of linking a PSN account is not being able to play at launch because the PSN servers were toast, while knowing that the game works perfectly fine without it.
View: https://x.com/CodeToshii/status/1786863603498553762
This whole situation is crazy. I've never seen devs encourage review bombing of their own game.
You might be right. I wouldn't be shocked if that happens eventually after all of this.
there are still people in 2024 who look at user reviews and go "huh, you know, they got a point!"
It was a community manager and their account has been nuked.
Players can actually take some accountability too.
In some cases, sure. But Steam reviews have been very effective for me over the years. Excellent reviews have pushed me over the edge many times and I've even purchased a few lesser known games based entirely on the reviews. It's rare that they steer me wrong.
Sure. I agree. PSN is a deeply flawed network, in many ways crappy, but that wasn't his reason to do it nor his call to make nor what you said in the post I responded to.
PSN was properly implemented at launch. Then it wasn't.
Im gonna be honest,
I really don't think Sony gives two shits about the review bombing on steam if the game still sells and has a decent player count they are probably more than happy.
This game did way better than they expected and even if they lose to some refunds the amount will be insignificant compared to the huge mass who aren't.
It's the sad reality.
I really don't think Sony gives two shits about the review bombing on steam if the game still sells and has a decent player count they are probably more than happy.
This game did way better than they expected and even if they lose to some refunds the amount will be insignificant compared to the huge mass who aren't.
It's the sad reality.
I find they can be exceptionally helpful especially for lesser known/smaller games that don't even get reviews. Also for learning about potential issues and fixes that reviews never cover.
The height of stupidity, but I suspect people were already doing it long before.
Honestly, if this type of situation is the case, I'll just toss them in the trash.
Sure, but it was easy to imagine how gigantic a Helldivers 3 could have been. Who knows now? It may not even be developed by Arrowhead Games at this point. This debacle is not worth it for Sony, at all.
They do, but it's rather unclear how it functions. They call it "off topic reviews" and it's certainly up for debate whether this ordeal is "off-topic" or not.
As stupid as this move by Sony both by demanding a sign-up in the first place and by the fact they have yet to expand their PSN availability...
I wish the people who have made a huge deal out of this whole thing, despite the fact that separate log-ins are pretty widespread for a lot of MP games, would've put half the energy into issues that really matter. Like intrusive and performance-affecting DRM or hardware prices.
We could be living in a world where lower midrange GPUs don't cost $600, and publishers don't just randomly drop a patch that adds Denuvo, but alas we're living in this one.
I wish the people who have made a huge deal out of this whole thing, despite the fact that separate log-ins are pretty widespread for a lot of MP games, would've put half the energy into issues that really matter. Like intrusive and performance-affecting DRM or hardware prices.
We could be living in a world where lower midrange GPUs don't cost $600, and publishers don't just randomly drop a patch that adds Denuvo, but alas we're living in this one.
I cannot wait for Ghost of Tsushima to launch next week, I bet Sucker Punch is thrilled.
Weird to go "Steam reviews are worthless" when there is a thread on ERA every time a game gets review bombed.
You might not look at them but they are definitely not worthless.
Even outside of review bombing, Steam reviews are the best way to gauge a game's current state. Especially for MP/GaaS games. Content dried up? Cheaters running rampant? Last updated fucked up stability? Matchmaking broken? etc etc etc....Steam reviews sorted by recency is easily the best tell of a game's current state. A LOT of people look at that before getting into a game.
You might not look at them but they are definitely not worthless.
Even outside of review bombing, Steam reviews are the best way to gauge a game's current state. Especially for MP/GaaS games. Content dried up? Cheaters running rampant? Last updated fucked up stability? Matchmaking broken? etc etc etc....Steam reviews sorted by recency is easily the best tell of a game's current state. A LOT of people look at that before getting into a game.
Game absolutely nosedived down the global sellers chart on Steam this weekend. It's the same PC social dynamics that helped the game blow up in the first place, they'll feel them.
We'll find out tomorrow since it's a work day. If nothing happens then I guess they won't budge.
Let's use some basic logic here: PSN handles millions of users, maybe even more than 10 million users, every single day, do you honestly believe that an extra 500 thousand people trying to connect at some point would case PSN to fail? Were there general PSN failures during the apex of popularity during launch?
I have seen a lot of people say that ad nauseam but not a single proof beyond "they were having backend issues and they took out". Not even that, as, if I understood it correctly, it was always possible to link a PSN account, they just put a SKIP button.
Steam reviews are the only reviews I look at when its not a huge popular game.
I find them to be the most useful in games at least, thanks to the tooling you get from Steam to actually determine what is most likely to be true.
By it's very nature, if you look at an aggregate score, you won't get a full picture, and there are niches where scoring will always bias positive because of people eager to have the thing where they wanted it and dismissing core issues with the game (see many "anime" themed games in a variety of niches). This is relatively easy to figure out just by reading the reviews and seeing the context.
However, with recent and all reviews sections, the histogram of activity from the game, language filtering, steam vs key purchase filtering, account activity, hours played filters, community, news, and changelogs etc, you can get a really good idea of player sentiment and types of issues if there is a good enough cohort.
It's super easy in a matter of minutes to have a little dig and determine what is a rational review and what isn't, and how similar the trends are between reviews.
For Helldivers itself, you can tell pretty easily that a mass influx of negative reviews have come in, and you can easily tear into why. Whether it is relevant or not to you, is up to you alone.
Absolutely nothing new. Toxic, at least for the louder crowd (which is guess mostly social media).
Lol, this tweet pretty much encapsulates the kind of people behind this "controversy" and why Sony shouldn't have paid attention to them at all and only focused on working towards those affected by non living in a region by PSN. Clown behavior all over the place, delisting the game and issuing refunds to people who have been playing for dozens and dozens of hours is a huge own goal. But hey, they did it to themselves so 🤷🏻♂️
That's almost the only time I see them referenced for a game.
That's gonna be a clusterfuck next week.
True enough. Hell, I'll give em all of next week. If nothing happens by Friday, they're not budging.
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