Hogwarts Legacy Delayed to 2022

[RoaringMdog]

Bummed about the delay, but i'd rather have them delay it then put out a half baked game.

I know that J.K Rowling is a monster, but im not going to let her ruin something thats so important to me. I have so many good memories i have about harry potter that involve my parents that its just hard to throw that stuff to the side.

 

[Kyuuji]

Bummed about the delay, but i'd rather have them delay it then put out a half baked game.

I know that J.K Rowling is a monster, but im not going to let her ruin something thats so important to me. I have so many good memories i have about harry potter that involve my parents that its just hard to throw that stuff to the side.

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Cherishing memories of the series can be done without buying the hot new video game.

 

[SAINT_]

However long it takes to get it right.

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My thoughts exactly. I'm just hoping we get to see some actual gameplay this year.

 

[Van Bur3n]

Oh no not the TERF simulator.

 

[gzell60]

That was on my watchlist. Oh well, there are plenty of other big hitters coming this year.

 

[JuniperAndSage]

I get that, but I feel like cancelling the game punishes the fans way more than it punishes JK.

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Lotta trans people grew up loving this series and finding comfort in it. Those trans fans have been doubly harmed by Rowling's full-throated advocacy against them and their existence, losing both a series they loved, and having to contend with the damage Rowling is doing to their civil rights. If you really want to worry about the fans, you should worry about those ones.

 

[Aurora]

This delay is less "the game isn't ready", and more "the biggest PR company in the world wants it delayed so they can do major positioning work throughout 2021 for the overall franchise so this game and the next movie launch with minimal backlash".

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Considering how many games have been impacted by the pandemic I'm not so sure if that's the case.

 

[Fat4all]

Cherishing memories of the series can be done without buying the hot new video game.

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yup

if obsidian and firaxis games teamed up and made the Ender's Game videogame ive always wanted i still wouldnt buy it because fuck OSC

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

If this got delayed, Gotham Knights is probably also delayed.

 

[Deleted member 17990]

If this got delayed, Gotham Knights is probably also delayed.

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I'm also thinking Horizon and God of War are next.

 

[Ponchito]

Looking forward to it. Take your time.

 

[NoneLikeAlex]

Yeah, no way they're gonna delay the game because of that.
The game could drop today and nobody would care about the JK stuff, they dont have to wait a year for that.
CyberPunk got away with it, and it's a game with actual transphobic content and a transphobic company behind it.
With Hogwarts Legacy, they can just go for the "it's a game made by a group of good people, not to mention JK isn't involved" rethoric and be fine.

I mean, I never thought the game was coming this year, from where development started, and being a big IP, and AAA and having to launch for current and next-gen, and then you add Covid and it's not a big surprise.

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I did say 'partly'.

I agree that they didn't/don't need to delay simply because of that reason because people will still buy it, but I absolutely disgaree that it had zero to do with it.

 

[Deleted member 59126]

Lotta trans people grew up loving this series and finding comfort in it. Those trans fans have been doubly harmed by Rowling's full-throated advocacy against them and their existence, losing both a series they loved, and having to contend with the damage Rowling is doing to their civil rights. If you really want to worry about the fans, you should worry about those ones.

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Where does this line of thinking end though? Should we boycott Disney because Walt was a racist Nazi sympathizer? Should we ban Pulp Fiction because Weinstein produced it? Should Seinfeld be forever shelved because of the racist actions of Micheal Richards?

J.K. Rowling is a flawed human being who has said terrible things, but she's also brought joy to 100's of millions of people. Is it the right choice to condemn all the good she brought to the world because of the bad she brought as well? Isn't it possible to separate the two?

 

[Kyuuji]

J.K. Rowling is a flawed human being who has said terrible things

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..tad bit more than that:

Through the significance afforded to her by the Harry Potter IP, JK Rowling:

• Has repeatedly sent out and echoed transphobic rhetoric.
• Relates transition to being a new form of gay conversion therapy, one that should be further restricted.
• Has driven trans children to self harm and suicide.
• Has given voice, promotion and platform to numerous transphobes and large anti-trans groups.
• Led a revolt that saw GRA reform scrapped, despite a 70% approval rating prior.
• Added to a pressure that resulted in links to support systems for vulnerable trans children being removed by the BBC.
• Has grown an influence that saw trans teenagers face further restrictions in accessing puberty blockers.
• Has been cited by foreign politicians in their own bids to restrict trans rights, healthcare access and freedoms.
• Poisoned discourse around trans access to bathrooms.

She is actively destructive to trans lives. Especially those in the UK, and of younger people looking to live as themselves. An utterly vile and contemptible woman.

 

[Zem]

Thanks as always Kyuuji. If ever there was a game for this forum as a whole to refuse to feed into the pre-release hype, it's this one.

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Hopefully the admins and mods learned their lesson from Cyberpunk and those hype threads are not a thing for this game. This game is worse than Cyberpunk I think since the creator is even more blatant with her transphobia than CDPR (which is an "accomplishment").

 

[Deleted member 59126]

..tad bit more than that:

Through the significance afforded to her by the Harry Potter IP, JK Rowling:

• Has repeatedly sent out and echoed transphobic rhetoric.
• Relates transition to being a new form of gay conversion therapy, one that should be further restricted.
• Has driven trans children to self harm and suicide.
• Has given voice, promotion and platform to numerous transphobes and large anti-trans groups.
• Led a revolt that saw GRA reform scrapped, despite a 70% approval rating prior.
• Added to a pressure that resulted in links to support systems for vulnerable trans children being removed by the BBC.
• Has grown an influence that saw trans teenagers face further restrictions in accessing puberty blockers.
• Has been cited by foreign politicians in their own bids to restrict trans rights, healthcare access and freedoms.
• Poisoned discourse around trans access to bathrooms.

She is actively destructive to trans lives. Especially those in the UK, and of younger people looking to live as themselves. An utterly vile and contemptible woman.

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I'm not defending her actions Kyuuji, she's done terrible things. I'm just asking if the Wizarding World has to be squelched as opposed to her being held accountable.

 

[Kyuuji]

I'm not defending her actions Kyuuji, she's done terrible things. I'm just asking if the Wizarding World has to be squelched as opposed to her being held accountable.

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An IP that contributes to her ability to do all of those things and more is one I'm not going to give a fuck about. This is coming from someone that was a significant fan of Harry Potter and grew up with the franchise. Choosing not to contribute to its continued success isn't what killed the fond memories of it for me, having the creator of it wield its success as a means to endanger trans lives, restrict our rights and poison discourse around me did.

 

[JuniperAndSage]

Should we boycott Disney because Walt was a racist Nazi sympathizer?

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If Walt Disney were alive, and using his money to fund the Nazis and advocating for their ideology, I wouldn't give him any money to pass on to them, no.

 

[Jombie]

Fuck this game.

 

[Platy]

Bold move to delay this game ... this gives JK even more time to destroy her image and be a bigot ... which can mean she might show her true colors with racism or gay rights

 

[Zedelima]

We should have a separed thread about JK just like we have for CPDR

im excited about this game and i hate her

 

[Platy]

We should have a separed thread about JK just like we have for CPDR

im excited about this game and i hate her

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TERF JK Rowling continues to be a hateful bigot.

Oh what in the name of fuck

www.resetera.com

 

[Deleted member 59126]

An IP that contributes to her ability to do all of those things and more is one I'm not going to give a fuck about. This is coming from someone that was a significant fan of Harry Potter and grew up with the franchise.

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What about the actors and producers who have denounced her actions? Or all the people who worked on the films who don't share her views? I get that she profits off the IP, but isn't the IP larger than just her now? Doesn't the IP also belong to the hundreds of people who helped make the books, or the thousands of people who made the films, or the millions of people who are fans?

Is it conceivable to condemn J.K. Rowling's actions but still love's the Wizarding World?

 

[Surakian]

Where does this line of thinking end though? Should we boycott Disney because Walt was a racist Nazi sympathizer? Should we ban Pulp Fiction because Weinstein produced it? Should Seinfeld be forever shelved because of the racist actions of Micheal Richards?

J.K. Rowling is a flawed human being who has said terrible things, but she's also brought joy to 100's of millions of people. Is it the right choice to condemn all the good she brought to the world because of the bad she brought as well? Isn't it possible to separate the two?

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The difference is Walt isn't alive to share his Nazi-sympathizing thoughts and profit off of it all. If he were alive, it would be a whole other situation.

JK Rowling gains notoriety and money from the success of her IP. She uses that money and fame to lobby against trans rights. By continuing to support her IP, you are directly contributing to maintaining her fame and wealth.

Weinstein is ruined and has gone to prison. What a poor example.

 

[Kyuuji]

What about the actors and producers who have denounced her actions? Or all the people who worked on the films who don't share her views? I get that she profits off the IP, but isn't the IP larger than just her now? Doesn't the IP also belong to the hundreds of people who helped make the books, or the thousands of people who made the films, or the millions of people who are fans?

Is it conceivable to condemn J.K. Rowling's actions but still love's the Wizarding World?

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What about them? No, it isn't larger than her nor does it belong to the fans because we don't live in Hogwarts or another fantasy world, we live in the real one. Yes it's obviously conceivable to still love the Wizarding World and condemn JK Rowling, just not directly support and contribute to its success and prevalence.

 

[Surakian]

We should have a separed thread about JK just like we have for CPDR

im excited about this game and i hate her

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We do, but pigeon-holing discussion of her beliefs into one topic so people can be blissfully ignorant about her transphobia in other topics related to the Wizarding World IP is not how things should go.

 

[Sams]

Super excited for this game. Hopefully the team can take as much time as they need to make this really special.

 

[Smokeymicpot]

I'm also thinking Horizon and God of War are next.

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I assume God of War will be especially since we saw nothing of it yet. Maybe even GT.

 

[Deleted member 59126]

The difference is Walt isn't alive to share his Nazi-sympathizing thoughts and profit off of it all. If he were alive, it would be a whole other situation.

JK Rowling gains notoriety and money from the success of her IP. She uses that money and fame to lobby against trans rights. By continuing to support her IP, you are directly contributing to maintaining her fame and wealth.

Weinstein is ruined and has gone to prison. What a poor example.

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That's a good point about Weinstein, but you're focusing on the specifics of my query as opposed to the heart of the question. What successful company doesn't employ horrible tactics and/or horrible people, and should we boycott them all?

 

[NekoNeko]

no need to rush it, maybe consider not releasing it at all?

 

[FF Seraphim]

However long it takes to get it right.

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True but wouldn't this also amount to more crunch for the devs? Anyway best to not have abother Cyberpunk incident.

 

[Kyuuji]

That's a good point about Weinstein, but you're focusing on the specifics of my query as opposed to the heart of the question. What successful company doesn't employ horrible tactics and/or horrible people, and should we boycott them all?

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This argument is one that's used to dissuade people from action, not one to push for progress. The notion that we shouldn't push back against bigotry unless we are able to address all bigotry, everywhere, at the same time, in equal amounts, is a fundamentally moronic point. Do you employ this same line of reasoning toward all those you see pushing back against people causing direct harm to minorities? If not, why do you feel the need to invoke it here?

 

[Surakian]

That's a good point about Weinstein, but you're focusing on the specifics of my query as opposed to the heart of the question. What successful company doesn't employ horrible tactics and/or horrible people, and should we boycott them all?

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It isn't about boycotting them all, but limiting your monetary investment in these companies and businesses that hire awful people or use horrible tactics. Some companies cannot be avoided, and in those cases it is still important to bring up the horrible things these people do. Frivolous entertainment like video games, books, TV shows, and films, though? That's easy to avoid. You can choose what you consume in this case. By choosing to buy this game knowing what you know about the creator of the IP and how she wields her influence against the trans community, you are actively supporting a terrible person.

 

[anariel]

That's a good point about Weinstein, but you're focusing on the specifics of my query as opposed to the heart of the question. What successful company doesn't employ horrible tactics and/or horrible people, and should we boycott them all?

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If they are the primary creative force behind the existence of the IP and thus stand to gain the most by having it spin off into more and more products, I would say yes, absolutely. I don't think that people would be this eager to defend Harry Potter if Rowling were an unabashed white supremacist or something similar.

 

[Deleted member 59126]

This argument is one that's used to dissuade people from action, not one to push for progress. The notion that we shouldn't push back against bigotry unless we are able to address all bigotry, everywhere, at the same time, in equal amounts is a fundamentally moronic point. Do you employ this same line of reasoning toward all those you see pushing back against people causing direct harm to minorities?

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I'm not arguing against holding J.K. Rowling culpable for her actions, I'm arguing that the art is separate from the artist.

 

[Deleted member 59126]

If they are the primary creative force behind the existence of the IP and thus stand to gain the most by having it spin off into more and more products, I would say yes, absolutely. I don't think that people would be this eager to defend Harry Potter if Rowling were an unabashed white supremacist or something similar.

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In my opinion pedophillia is the absolute lowest thing a human being can do, but I still fucking love the album Thriller.

 

[Kyuuji]

I'm not arguing against holding J.K. Rowling culpable for her actions, I'm arguing that the art is separate from the artist.

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The Harry Potter IP isn't separate from JK Rowling. Not exactly a difficult thing to understand when she's out there actively wielding the influence and fanbase it currently affords her against trans people.

In my opinion pedophillia is the absolute lowest thing a human being can do, but I still fucking love the album Thriller.

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Ok.. weird point to throw out with pride. Michael Jackson might be dead but his victims aren't. Makes it more complex perhaps than Rowling, but I certainly avoid his music now and think it's relatively poor to show unabashed adoration for him and his music, knowing he was using the influence it afforded him to rape children.

 

[Kyuuji]

e: dp

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

I'm not arguing against holding J.K. Rowling culpable for her actions, I'm arguing that the art is separate from the artist.

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I mean you can't, it's impossible.

The money you give to this game would end up in her hands, and she will use that money to actively further her agenda.

If nothing else you'll have a whole year to think about this before making a decision.

 

[Surakian]

I'm not arguing against holding J.K. Rowling culpable for her actions, I'm arguing that the art is separate from the artist.

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Harry Potter is JK Rowling, though. Perhaps if this were 30 years in the future where she's stepped out of the limelight and the franchise has grown apart from her influence and ideas and she doesn't receive that much money due to her diminished role, sure. That'd be a fair argument. This isn't that, though. She has a very active role in how her IP is handled still and is the face of Harry Potter. It is her brainchild. She made it. There is no separating her ideals from these things.

Hogwarts Legacy might be a bit more distant in the fact that she is not involved directly in its creation and development, but she's the one who is going to make the most money off of it after the developer and publisher get their cut. It's her IP. The money will then get funned into more of her TERFy bullshit.

 

[nicoga3000]

Makes sense. COVID was gonna have these lagging effects.

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Yup. I'd rather any game that was slated to finalize development during COVID take longer so that we get the best product we can.

 

[CRIMSON-XIII]

No problem at all. I am in no hurry to buy another game right away. The next two things I buy are Kena and Mass Effect Trilogy. There is no need for this game (or the Batman games IMO), until 2022 or beyond. But this is just my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 59126]

If they are the primary creative force behind the existence of the IP and thus stand to gain the most by having it spin off into more and more products, I would say yes, absolutely. I don't think that people would be this eager to defend Harry Potter if Rowling were an unabashed white supremacist or something similar.

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The Harry Potter IP isn't separate from JK Rowling. Not exactly a difficult thing to understand when she's out there actively wielding the influence and fanbase it currently affords her against trans people.


Ok.. weird point to throw out with pride. Michael Jackson might be dead but his victims aren't. Makes it more complex perhaps than Rowling, but I certainly avoid his music now and think it's relatively poor to show unabashed adoration for him and his music, knowing he was using the influence it afforded him to rape children.

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I mean you can't, it's impossible.

The money you give to this game would end up in her hands, and she will use that money to actively further her agenda.

If nothing else you'll have a whole year to think about this before making a decision.

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Harry Potter is JK Rowling, though. Perhaps if this were 30 years in the future where she's stepped out of the limelight and the franchise has grown apart from her influence and ideas and she doesn't receive that much money due to her diminished role, sure. That'd be a fair argument. This isn't that, though. She has a very active role in how her IP is handled still and is the face of Harry Potter. It is her brainchild. She made it. There is no separating her ideals from these things.

Hogwarts Legacy might be a bit more distant in the fact that she is not involved directly in its creation and development, but she's the one who is going to make the most money off of it after the developer and publisher get their cut. It's her IP. The money will then get funned into more of her TERFy bullshit.

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Thank you for speaking with me. I have a lot to think about.

 

[Deleted member 59126]

Ok.. weird point to throw out with pride. Michael Jackson might be dead but his victims aren't. Makes it more complex perhaps than Rowling, but I certainly avoid his music now and think it's relatively poor to show unabashed adoration for him and his music, knowing he was using the influence it afforded him to rape children.

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I didn't state that I loved him, just the album.

 

[Kyuuji]

I didn't state that I loved him, just the album.

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Doesn't change much for me honestly. Play the music and think it's a jam if you like, but feeling a need to say how much you love the work of someone who raped children despite that fact is just whack to me. Especially when his victims are still alive. I think he should be blacklisted from radio too, in case you think this is a localised contention. How popular his music was doesn't move the needle on how I feel knowing he preyed upon and raped children also enamoured by it.

 

[Deleted member 59126]

Doesn't change much for me honestly. Play the music and think it's a jam if you like, but feeling a need to say how much you love the work of someone who raped children despite that fact is just whack to me. Especially when his victims are still alive. I think he should be blacklisted from radio too, in case you think this is a localised contention. How popular his music was doesn't move the needle on how I feel knowing he preyed upon and raped children also enamoured by it.

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What about companies like Sony? They used child slave labor to make the PS5.

 

[Khanimus]

Fuck Rowling. The world doesn't need her shit anymore.

 

[Kyuuji]

What about companies like Sony? They used child slave labor to make the PS5.

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The exploitation of the Uighur population is abhorrent and companies that benefit from that exploitation have blood on their hands. I've written to my MP several times raising the issue of Uighur muslims in China, donated to causes working toward them and signed petitions around government action in the UK. Perhaps stop trying to use other issues in the world as some weird "gotcha" for inaction in each instance. Minorities aren't playing cards for you to throw out when someone points out someone abusing another. That's not the action of someone who genuinely cares, it's the action of someone who doesn't want to feel bad for engaging with things.

This is the second time you've felt a need to point elsewhere when I tell you reasons behind why I dislike certain products or artists. I can't do everything nor do I claim to, but it's better than persistently acting like people have to solve all the worlds ills if they hope to combat some of them.

 

[ZeoVGM]

This delay is less "the game isn't ready", and more "the biggest PR company in the world wants it delayed so they can do major positioning work throughout 2021 for the overall franchise so this game and the next movie launch with minimal backlash".

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This is almost certainly not the case.

 

[Surakian]

Thank you for speaking with me. I have a lot to think about.

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No problem. We are all trying to learn. At the end of the day it is your choice what you consume. Nobody will jump through the computer and call you an awful person if you buy the game in the end, but what is important is not being dismissive of JK Rowling's actions or the feelings of trans people who do not want to see her get any more money and power that enables her to lobby away their rights away little by little.

I will say whataboutisms are not great arguments to use against one thing or another. The world is filled with problems and we can tackle multiple ones at the same time while recognizing some things are more difficult to solve.