On the 2.1 boss, and it always annoys me when bosses force me to build up characters I usually don't use because of the gimmick, as none of my main DPSs are AOE.
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I was using HTB/Luka/RM/Gallagher against the triple elites in the previous fight and the damage was amazing there, against the boss the damage was certainly lower. I switched Luka for Kafka against the boss and the Super Break damage was nice, she ulted for 300k with 125k of it coming from Super Break alone which was quite a surprise.
Moving forward HTB/Ruan Mei/Gallagher seem to be BiS units for Super Break teams for now, because each of them has something that increases Super Break damage along with being able to do a nice chunk of damage themselves
I mean yeah, if you're not using units they're designed to support it's not gonna be great lol. Do the combat trial for them.
HTB, RM, and Gallagher is basically the meta trio to slot in any DPS built for break effect.
Right, and that's fine - but in the context of the 'bar' being Ruan Mei or Robin or Sparkle, Harmony MC not being 'as' universal/OP as some folks are saying was why I was asking.
I'll try out Xueyi in the new weekly boss with MC along with Ruan Mei and/or Gallagher, I'm sure I'll see better numbers, certainly - which would/could eventually replace Xueyi with Firefly or Boothill.
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after a FUA team focused PF, i guess a BE team would be next lol
with jade and boothill coming out soon, i dont know if it makes sense to fish for xueyi eidolons and build her. i like her design, but at E2 (maybe E3 when she is on a character selector), I dont see myself getting her to E6 without getting too close to rolling Robin (im on a guarantee). kind of a bummer
it's never a good idea to fish for a 4 star on a banner you aren't interested in lol
i feel the same way. i still like his gameplay but his character is lame imo
HTB and Ruan Mei would probably go off in a Firefly team
But there is a question if you run both. Since both boost team mates Break Effect, how does them boosting each other work? Since they give a percentage of their break effect to team mates
But there is a question if you run both. Since both boost team mates Break Effect, how does them boosting each other work? Since they give a percentage of their break effect to team mates
The buffs to break effect (and efficiency) should both stack. She has a cap on her attack scaling at 360% but that shouldn't matter for the super break and break damage, which gets better the more break effect she has.
Anyway to answer the original question the percentage of buff given should only take into account their own BE% before team buffs.
Acheron might have become my favorite character in HSR, which I wasn't expecting. In 2.0 I thought she was a cool character but not much more, in 2.1 it got me closer, especially during her conversation with Aventurine at the end, but I think 2.2 really brought it all together for me. Previously I just thought the scenes with the old guy were neat flavor things for her but those final few flashbacks really worked with it tying back into the Penacony story. I doubt this is the last we see of her but I would be sad if it is.
I think I'll post more thoughts on the patch once I've slept on it but I am extremely satisfied.
I think I'll post more thoughts on the patch once I've slept on it but I am extremely satisfied.
As a Megaten enjoyer, so far I really like Harmony continuing to be the Law route. 2.2 is interesting so far, Boothill's my current favorite of the featured characters with Robin and Sunday.
2.4 lightcone leaks are pointing to Jiaoqiu and Screwllum it seems. Is this the first time we've had two male characters in an entire patch?
I was pretty meh on Gallagher initially, but the more we see of him, the more I like. I hope this means we can see other factions like the Mourning Actors or the Omen Vanguards in the future. Since the SU storylines often allude to future plotlines, I'm even more excited for future updates especially if Finality is involved.
2.4 lightcone leaks are pointing to Jiaoqiu and Screwllum it seems. Is this the first time we've had two male characters in an entire patch?
Someone said that a breakpoint for BE for Firefly was like 350%
Ruan Mei's A2 gives 20% Break Effect
HTB at E4 will give 15% of their break effect, but is that including the 20% given by Ruan Mei?
In addition if you are running Watchmaker with HTB that is 15-30% from the ult and 30% from the relics.
This is mine currently, will probably swap out the Keeles for Penacony's. But if everything with the calcs make sense.
20% (from Ruan Mei) + 30% (15% of HTB (putting it at 200) )+ 30% (from HTB ult lvl10) + 30% (from the relics)
Thats 110% Break Effect bonus just having Ruan Mei and HTB in the party
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Still a possibility the FUA LC is for Feixiao instead of Screwllum, if she has a summon like JY does. Hope so because if they've held Screwllum for over a year until like the worst possible time for me they can fuck off lol
You know, there's not actually much room to make a Pela+, who does what Pela does but better. And so I'm thinking Jiaoqiu is very likely to be able to solo sustain. That cone just does more defense reduction, which makes me think the reduction built into his kit isn't huge.
Nobody actually wants much more than 50% defense reduction. Most people prefer buffers. Acheron teams will have another debuffer, Firefly and Black Swan have access to a bunch of defense reduction, and even Boothill will be able to get to 34% with new relics and e1. Pela already inflicts debuffs at a very high rate, with the right cone. She has a 3-turn ult (or faster), is fully SP positive, and builds tons of speed. You can blatantly power creep Pela (and they've been reluctant to do this) and you're still not giving people much reason to actually spend jade.
One option would be to expand debuffs to more than just defense reduction. Give significant amounts of vulnerability or res pen, maybe. You're still power creeping not just Pela but Silver Wolf too. But the kit we have is defense reduction, and I'm not sure you really can power creep Pela with more of that, for the teams that actually want it over a Harmony.
Nobody actually wants much more than 50% defense reduction. Most people prefer buffers. Acheron teams will have another debuffer, Firefly and Black Swan have access to a bunch of defense reduction, and even Boothill will be able to get to 34% with new relics and e1. Pela already inflicts debuffs at a very high rate, with the right cone. She has a 3-turn ult (or faster), is fully SP positive, and builds tons of speed. You can blatantly power creep Pela (and they've been reluctant to do this) and you're still not giving people much reason to actually spend jade.
One option would be to expand debuffs to more than just defense reduction. Give significant amounts of vulnerability or res pen, maybe. You're still power creeping not just Pela but Silver Wolf too. But the kit we have is defense reduction, and I'm not sure you really can power creep Pela with more of that, for the teams that actually want it over a Harmony.
I think leaks are saying Feixiao is Hunt, isn't she? It makes more sense for her to be playable than Screwllum though, I agree.
They stack very well?
You get both of them, so you're looking at +80% Break Effect if your HTB has 200% BE, and 110% with the Watchmaker Ult bonus.
The only thing that can't stack is the Watchmaker buff, so may be worth building your Ruan Mei with the Thief set instead of the Watchmaker set.
Another synergy according to Guoba is that Ruan Mei's 50% Break Efficiency also increases all Super Break damage by 50%, because one of the multipliers is the number of "Break Units"' of toughness damage in the attack. i.e. Most Ults without Ruan Mei have 3 Break Units, and 4.5 with Ruan Mei.
Really hoping that when a true 5-star limited Super Break character hits that Harmony TB's gear will move over seamlessly.
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That's your profile pic for the rest of this game.
This will be me next patch, I wouldn't be able to resist the FF/Sam combo pack.
I finished 2.2.
God damn.
God damn.
Based on the upcoming character releases in 2.3 and how 2.2 ended it's clear the "epilogue" patch isn't going to be like the Luofu's that was like a wet fart.
This is probably going to be pretty meaty.
This is probably going to be pretty meaty.
Finished 2.2 story. Man that was looong.
Aside from the story I have to say I also really appreciate the way they are evolving the combat. The new mechanics combined with the new enemy mechanics are just really good stuff. I'm genuinely impressed with how this is their first ever turn-based game, cause at this point I think this has one of the best combat systems in the genre.
I'm pretty impressived with how they've managed to tie and theme all these various threads together in a satisfying way. There are still a bunch of unresolved questions and threads (Sparkle buttons, IPC takeover, Firefly), which I assume will be handled in the epilogue, but so far this was a really strong showing.
I feel like Wildfire is still the single most undistilled hype moment in the game, but this was hype in its own way which actually makes it a more impressive in a way, given how the storyline and themes were incredibly more complex compared to the honestly pretty basic story Belobog told, which maybe makes me appreciate this actually more overall.
And honestly, the boss fight is close. The "church rock" in the first phase was great and then Robin came in and we fought alongside her song while slamming the entire goddamn train into the face of the boss while everyone from the crew got a cheesy line in. It's just cool, man.
I also think having the antagnoistic force be "Order" is brilliant given the foreshadowing from the SU update that told us how Order got absorbed into Harmony.
Also think Sunday was a good "villain". He's a good kid that just got really jaded over time but still wanted the best for everyone, and just went about it in a very wrong way. Curious what happened to him, I got a message from Robin asking me to help look for him when going back to the grand theatre, so there's still something there. And there's still the epilogue at worst. In the same vein, we still need to find out what happened to the Dreammaster unless I missed it.
The twist with Misha was also really cool, only brought down slightly because the EN translation fucked up in 2.0. (My biggest gripe right now is probably the EN QA at the moment, they have consistently messed up something in every 2.x patch which unncessarily lessens the experience).
The fakeout ending was fantastic. When you first defeat the boss and then Jing Yuan and Dan come in with the Xianzhou fleet to quickly wrap up, it felt incredibly unsatisfying, but plausible given this was setup as a potential outcome during the Dan and Boothill scenes. Then "it's over" and wraps up very neatly. It felt ever so slightly off at first, but got more and more "wrong" until the truth is revealed and everyone comes together in Harmony to break the false dream and do the real bossfight and get the real ending. Really good stuff.
Acheron got great moments, Black Swan did, hell even Boothill. Only Sparkle and Aventurine kinda didn't, but as mentioned expected follow-up to that in 2.3.
I also liked Firefly date 2.0 a lot better than the first once, even though it felt awkwardly placed. In retrospect I appreciate it though. Really curious to see what her "3rd death" is gonna be, and what the big gains are that Elio predicted she would get out of this endeavour. I guess she'll get healed in some way or another, which will tie into the upgraded SAM form we saw on the splash art.
I feel like Wildfire is still the single most undistilled hype moment in the game, but this was hype in its own way which actually makes it a more impressive in a way, given how the storyline and themes were incredibly more complex compared to the honestly pretty basic story Belobog told, which maybe makes me appreciate this actually more overall.
And honestly, the boss fight is close. The "church rock" in the first phase was great and then Robin came in and we fought alongside her song while slamming the entire goddamn train into the face of the boss while everyone from the crew got a cheesy line in. It's just cool, man.
I also think having the antagnoistic force be "Order" is brilliant given the foreshadowing from the SU update that told us how Order got absorbed into Harmony.
Also think Sunday was a good "villain". He's a good kid that just got really jaded over time but still wanted the best for everyone, and just went about it in a very wrong way. Curious what happened to him, I got a message from Robin asking me to help look for him when going back to the grand theatre, so there's still something there. And there's still the epilogue at worst. In the same vein, we still need to find out what happened to the Dreammaster unless I missed it.
The twist with Misha was also really cool, only brought down slightly because the EN translation fucked up in 2.0. (My biggest gripe right now is probably the EN QA at the moment, they have consistently messed up something in every 2.x patch which unncessarily lessens the experience).
The fakeout ending was fantastic. When you first defeat the boss and then Jing Yuan and Dan come in with the Xianzhou fleet to quickly wrap up, it felt incredibly unsatisfying, but plausible given this was setup as a potential outcome during the Dan and Boothill scenes. Then "it's over" and wraps up very neatly. It felt ever so slightly off at first, but got more and more "wrong" until the truth is revealed and everyone comes together in Harmony to break the false dream and do the real bossfight and get the real ending. Really good stuff.
Acheron got great moments, Black Swan did, hell even Boothill. Only Sparkle and Aventurine kinda didn't, but as mentioned expected follow-up to that in 2.3.
I also liked Firefly date 2.0 a lot better than the first once, even though it felt awkwardly placed. In retrospect I appreciate it though. Really curious to see what her "3rd death" is gonna be, and what the big gains are that Elio predicted she would get out of this endeavour. I guess she'll get healed in some way or another, which will tie into the upgraded SAM form we saw on the splash art.
Aside from the story I have to say I also really appreciate the way they are evolving the combat. The new mechanics combined with the new enemy mechanics are just really good stuff. I'm genuinely impressed with how this is their first ever turn-based game, cause at this point I think this has one of the best combat systems in the genre.
Thank you. I might as well level him up if I'm gonna be using him.
There is a trial TB available to use, but you are unable to see what is equipped so you can't tell if it's good or not.
Finished the update before bed. I actually think that surpassed the end of Jarilo-6 for me and was just a lot of fun all around
HTB is a LOT of fun and makes it easier to skip Robin even if I've warmed up to her. Story also kinda sold me on Firefly whenever she is going to show up but I will have to wait and see what my resources are like at the time. I really want to start saving up for Akash since who knows when he will (hopefully) make an appearance.
the fakeout was very well done, although I figured it out pretty fast with how quickly they were moving things along
How tf does Sunday expect me to follow anything happening in this "play" when he insists on talking at the same time as the mannequins. This shit is annoying as hell.
So the story ending.
The hell? This was way way too conceptual a climax compared to the end of the previous worlds. The boss' entire scheme is just get us to the end of his rope to... have a fair fight with him? And our motivation is... just do it cuz that's what we do as trailblazers and we take the hard jobs?
Also why are we famous after this? We did nothing. We got bailed out! I have no idea why it has galactic consequences. I'm still not even 100% sure what we did other than protect some dreams. Did Sunday, like, die? Where's Robin? Was the festival just people watching our weird fight? What about the buttons handed out?
What a really really strange ending. I probably have 20 questions of things they didn't make clear. There are some dangling plot points teased that are just ignored. Ugh, rude to tease a bunch of interesting stuff and then not explain it. They're usually good at this!
The hell? This was way way too conceptual a climax compared to the end of the previous worlds. The boss' entire scheme is just get us to the end of his rope to... have a fair fight with him? And our motivation is... just do it cuz that's what we do as trailblazers and we take the hard jobs?
Also why are we famous after this? We did nothing. We got bailed out! I have no idea why it has galactic consequences. I'm still not even 100% sure what we did other than protect some dreams. Did Sunday, like, die? Where's Robin? Was the festival just people watching our weird fight? What about the buttons handed out?
What a really really strange ending. I probably have 20 questions of things they didn't make clear. There are some dangling plot points teased that are just ignored. Ugh, rude to tease a bunch of interesting stuff and then not explain it. They're usually good at this!
The winning strategy is not to listen to the drivel he's spouting. I'm almost at the end of the story, can't wait to shut him the fuck up already
The banter among the party and the other NPCs has been pretty fun in Penacony, but yeah he has the most generic of meaningless JRPG boss babbling I've heard in years.
just tried Robin + Kafka + BS + Huohuo, the DOTs hit harder
and if you finish the battle with Robin still in her ult, the reward screen bgm is replaced by her song lol
had to dip into the Firefly fund to get her, but it's worth it with all the team comps possible
and if you finish the battle with Robin still in her ult, the reward screen bgm is replaced by her song lol
had to dip into the Firefly fund to get her, but it's worth it with all the team comps possible
You are very likely to extend your rotation by a turn if you don't use a ERR LC, like Robin's sig or Bronya's sig. I think a faster rotation is better than the higher atk buff on the event LC.