Genuine question: Do any of you successfully speed tune?
I have never had enough resources to actually speed tune anybody so I gotta live in the garbage.
I look in all these guides with despair as it's never gonna be optimal for me.
I try but it's a pain and I don't really keep track of all the buffs that could screw up some of that tuning like my Bronya having E2 boost the DPS speed even more. I also stop bothering about full set on my Support other than the planar when I'm speed tuning.
Genuine question: Do any of you successfully speed tune?
I have never had enough resources to actually speed tune anybody so I gotta live in the garbage.
I look in all these guides with despair as it's never gonna be optimal for me.
I've only done this with my DoT team, which to be fair seems easier than Bronya/Sparkle teams. Asta is at 161 speed to get her Ultimate up 100% of the time, providing 50 speed to Kafka and Black Swan. The 2 of them have just enough speed that Black Swan goes first and both will hit 161 speed after Asta's Ultimate (Kafka is at 111, Black Swan 113). It works great, but again, it's pretty straightforward. Once their speeds are set Asta keeps her Ult up at all times and I don't have to worry about who goes when.
I'm finally playing through the 2.1 story and man...they really need to tone down the dialogue. I left it on autoplay, walked away and an hour later they're still going lol.
Disagree with this, I almost never read notes and barely pay atention to the simulated universe story (that according to some people, has some very relevant information). And I was still able to easily follow what was happening. I think it's mostly the terminology that can still confuse some people imo.
2.1 was good despite the bloat because it was all about the most interesting and well written character they've introduced. 2.2 was about a mediocre villain engaging in muddled philosophical debates where both sides are kind of talking past each other, and it basically makes everything Aventurine did last patch pointless. You could cut all of that and nothing would change.
Also I like the SoulGlad audition detour as an idea, but instead of it being fun it was just boring and Firefly spent the whole time whining about what a waste of time it was, so... Why is it there?
I actually found the trailblazer options in the new story quest to be an overall negative. I'm fine with a silly meme reply every now and then, but every dialogue option was full of them. Took me out of the story at times.
Also I like the SoulGlad audition detour as an idea, but instead of it being fun it was just boring and Firefly spent the whole time whining about what a waste of time it was, so... Why is it there?
This bit really got to me because with the way you were once again traveling 1 on 1 with Firefly, and even went through similar settings to the rooftop buildings, I thought for sure there would be callbacks to your time with her in 2.0. There were so many opportunities for quiet moments between Firefly and the Trailblazer, reminiscing about their last time together, how things have changed, the good and bad in Penacony, etc.
Instead we got Firefly complaining about how this was pointless.....
Gotta say it was kinda stupid fun to fight the final boss using my scuffed break team of a hastily geared HMC with RM, Gallagher and lastly Himeko for a bit of story authenticity.
Gotta say it was kinda stupid fun to fight the final boss using my scuffed break team of a hastily geared HMC with RM, Gallagher and lastly Himeko for a bit of story authenticity.
Himeko lowkey a good super break enabler sub until Firefly. Since super break applies to every enemy hit, her AoE FUA and Ult did pretty good amounts of damage.
I'm only half way through the story but I really do feel like they went overboard with trailblazer meme options this time. I don't mind having them as options a lot of the time but it kind of bugged me when all three options are some wacky meme choice even during relatively serious conversations. It doesn't help that some of them just seemed kind of forced, I feel like in previous patches the meme choices at least sounded a little more natural.
Technically she's not suppose to be there physically fighting though, lol. But I'm surprised how well this team did, decent damage put out by the breaks and super breaks.
Himeko lowkey a good super break enabler sub until Firefly. Since super break applies to every enemy hit, her AoE FUA and Ult did pretty good amounts of damage.
That ending was hype. Dan Heng plus Jing Yuan delivering the final blow and then the fake chapter ending before Black Swan yanks you out of the dream, then fighting the real final boss with Robin and the actual train saving your bacon... *Chef's kiss*.
Belobog is still the best story for me, but Penacony did try to keep it more grounded.
2.1 was good despite the bloat because it was all about the most interesting and well written character they've introduced. 2.2 was about a mediocre villain engaging in muddled philosophical debates where both sides are kind of talking past each other, and it basically makes everything Aventurine did last patch pointless. You could cut all of that and nothing would change.
Aventurine forcing Acheron to use her power pushed everyone into the real Dreamscape and into Dreamflux Reef.
That was his plan. To break through into the real Dreamscape. Whether it was to corner Acheron(who he figured was an Emanator and powerful enough) or somehow detonate the Trailblazer's Stellaron.
We'd have never gotten there otherwise.
You do get a text message from him later and he kind of explains what happened to him but it's a bit of a cop out on their part.
But Aventurine's arc in 2.1 wasn't pointless.
I think the HSR writers watched Inception numerous times for inspiration.
keeping random pieces pays off. still probably will grind for more fitting rope and things eventually. now if only i had anything for firefly except a break rope
Big disagree, I like this more than any of the belobog main story stuff overall personally. It's been fun to glue it all together for me where belobog felt like pretty standard storytelling, saying it's been on the decline since belobog is also sorta implying this is worst than xianzhou arc which is ??? that shit was ass with improper lead up and pay off
I'm surprised Belobog is in such high regard. It was fine, but I didn't think it was in any way remarkable apart from the final boss for obvious reasons.
i dont think any of the stories is particularly good but i do think penacony's setting and background feel far more accomplished than the rest. The vignettes in a cup is probably my actual favorite bit of story in the game period.
yep so zero cycled aventurine lol. I thought the best way to use robins ult was right at the end of a cycle but its actually to use it as soon as available, as 1, it generates more energy so robin can guarantee an ult on next turn, 2, if your characters are even modestly fast they will still get 3 turns in a cycle with two of those having robins full buff active. Put her in the middle beside aventurine so she will get hit a few times for energy as well.
Ill have no more of this Topaz is mid/only good at e1/s1 nonsense anymore to boot.
Any thoughts on Prydwen's latest tier list? They seem to have revised their grading system and now allow for 4* gacha LCs and the 5* standard LCs.
Criteria
Manual play,
Using optimal team composition/support characters,
Character level 80,
All Major Traces unlocked and skills upgraded to level 8,
Character equipped with level 80 non-limited 4★ or 5★ Light Cone(including the 'standard' Light Cones),
Battle Pass Light Cones aren't taken into account because you can't obtain them without spending,
Character equipped with 5★ upgraded gear with optimal Main Stats and Sub Stats (with 24 desired sub stats out of a possible 54),
Eidolon level 0 for 5★ characters,
Eidolon level 0/6 for 4★ characters.
Roles
We compare characters within their role - so damage dealers are compared to other damage dealers and the ratings are adjusted based on their performance within the role. Don't try to compare characters between roles (for example an amplifier with a damage dealer), because their ratings mean different things.
Damage Dealer - Rating is heavily influenced based on the characters ability to deal enough damage to achieve the 3-star objective, the easier and more quickly achieved the higher the rating,
Specialist - Rating is heavily influenced based on the damage they provide, defense or efficiency boost created by the unique teams these characters create or the utility they provide against certain encounters,
Amplifier - Rating is influenced based on the damage amplification abilities of the character and the utility they provide to the team,
Sustain - Rating is influenced based on the characters ability to keep the team alive and the utility they provide. The more utility and higher the safety, the higher the rating.
Other criteria affecting the ratings
Each tier list rates characters based on their average value in the specific game mode it represents. The higher a character is rated on the tier list the greater their power and more widely they can be used effectively in the mode. We consider:
Flexibility - how the characters kit functions against various enemy types, amounts of enemies and their ability to perform when not fighting against enemies vulnerable to their element,
Investment - some characters require specific limited 5★ units, heavy investment in certain relic sets or an abundance of sub-stats in order to function at the highest level. Each of these points impacts the rating in a negative way. - the more the character requires to perform well, the bigger the impact,
Utility - recently released characters possess abilities that lie beyond their defined role, for example Amplifiers/Sustains that can deal decent damage. The more a character helps the team outside of their role, the bigger positive impact on their rating it has.
My own thoughts just from personal experience:
Agree
Gallagher's greatness is recognised.
QQ stays winning.
Blade's placement is... depressingly accurate. Hoping Jade's release heralds the return of the king as OhSatan promised.
Acheron really is the pinnacle at the moment. Even without balling out like some of you, at E0 it's my go-to "turn brain off" auto team even in MoC.
Disagree
I would swap Huo Huo and Fu Xuan personally.
Gepard is far too low, especially now that they're accounting for his signature LC. His utility, while limited, exists and when it comes to just keeping everyone alive he should be ahead of Bailu at least.
Probably the biggest disagree is Pela. Again looking at their new criteria that accounts for flexibility, investment and utitlity, she should be way higher.
I'd bump up Asta.
I think it's mostly spot on and my disagreements are minor but I also kinda wish there was some hotter takes. I dunno, it would be interesting to have them just flat out say Ruan Mei is better than Robin or vice versa and let the hate flow :D
I get it though, they're a good resource for people and different characters serve different purposes so it's difficult and unnecessary to stake out a bold claim. Also hell hath no fury like a character stan sleighted.
Any thoughts on Prydwen's latest tier list? They seem to have revised their grading system and now allow for 4* gacha LCs and the 5* standard LCs.
Criteria
Manual play,
Using optimal team composition/support characters,
Character level 80,
All Major Traces unlocked and skills upgraded to level 8,
Character equipped with level 80 non-limited 4★ or 5★ Light Cone(including the 'standard' Light Cones),
Battle Pass Light Cones aren't taken into account because you can't obtain them without spending,
Character equipped with 5★ upgraded gear with optimal Main Stats and Sub Stats (with 24 desired sub stats out of a possible 54),
Eidolon level 0 for 5★ characters,
Eidolon level 0/6 for 4★ characters.
Roles
We compare characters within their role - so damage dealers are compared to other damage dealers and the ratings are adjusted based on their performance within the role. Don't try to compare characters between roles (for example an amplifier with a damage dealer), because their ratings mean different things.
Damage Dealer - Rating is heavily influenced based on the characters ability to deal enough damage to achieve the 3-star objective, the easier and more quickly achieved the higher the rating,
Specialist - Rating is heavily influenced based on the damage they provide, defense or efficiency boost created by the unique teams these characters create or the utility they provide against certain encounters,
Amplifier - Rating is influenced based on the damage amplification abilities of the character and the utility they provide to the team,
Sustain - Rating is influenced based on the characters ability to keep the team alive and the utility they provide. The more utility and higher the safety, the higher the rating.
Other criteria affecting the ratings
Each tier list rates characters based on their average value in the specific game mode it represents. The higher a character is rated on the tier list the greater their power and more widely they can be used effectively in the mode. We consider:
Flexibility - how the characters kit functions against various enemy types, amounts of enemies and their ability to perform when not fighting against enemies vulnerable to their element,
Investment - some characters require specific limited 5★ units, heavy investment in certain relic sets or an abundance of sub-stats in order to function at the highest level. Each of these points impacts the rating in a negative way. - the more the character requires to perform well, the bigger the impact,
Utility - recently released characters possess abilities that lie beyond their defined role, for example Amplifiers/Sustains that can deal decent damage. The more a character helps the team outside of their role, the bigger positive impact on their rating it has.
My own thoughts just from personal experience:
Agree
Gallagher's greatness is recognised.
QQ stays winning.
Blade's placement is... depressingly accurate. Hoping Jade's release heralds the return of the king as OhSatan promised.
Acheron really is the pinnacle at the moment. Even without balling out like some of you, at E0 it's my go-to "turn brain off" auto team even in MoC.
Disagree
I would swap Huo Huo and Fu Xuan personally.
Gepard is far too low, especially now that they're accounting for his signature LC. His utility, while limited, exists and when it comes to just keeping everyone alive he should be ahead of Bailu at least.
Probably the biggest disagree is Pela. Again looking at their new criteria that accounts for flexibility, investment and utitlity, she should be way higher.
I'd bump up Asta.
I think it's mostly spot on and my disagreements are minor but I also kinda wish there was some hotter takes. I dunno, it would be interesting to have them just flat out say Ruan Mei is better than Robin or vice versa and let the hate flow :D
I get it though, they're a good resource for people and different characters serve different purposes so it's difficult and unnecessary to stake out a bold claim. Also hell hath no fury like a character stan sleighted.
I still don't really agree with Aventurine being that high in PF specifically, and agree with you that Gepard and Pela feel lower than they should be, but generally seems solid enough?
Trying to make tier lists will definitely get weird as more specialized teams crop up though. Like Gepard or FMC with trends are huge for Acheron, who is clearly super strong, but do you value that as strength for them or her? HMC is also in a funny spot considering the "teams" listed are not really there, since it's more for future characters and support.
I feel like Ruan Mei moving up is inevitable with the break characters. It's kinda mind boggling to think about how generically good she already has been when nobody has really cared or did a ton with the break effect aspect of her kit.
Any thoughts on Prydwen's latest tier list? They seem to have revised their grading system and now allow for 4* gacha LCs and the 5* standard LCs.
Criteria
Manual play,
Using optimal team composition/support characters,
Character level 80,
All Major Traces unlocked and skills upgraded to level 8,
Character equipped with level 80 non-limited 4★ or 5★ Light Cone(including the 'standard' Light Cones),
Battle Pass Light Cones aren't taken into account because you can't obtain them without spending,
Character equipped with 5★ upgraded gear with optimal Main Stats and Sub Stats (with 24 desired sub stats out of a possible 54),
Eidolon level 0 for 5★ characters,
Eidolon level 0/6 for 4★ characters.
Roles
We compare characters within their role - so damage dealers are compared to other damage dealers and the ratings are adjusted based on their performance within the role. Don't try to compare characters between roles (for example an amplifier with a damage dealer), because their ratings mean different things.
Damage Dealer - Rating is heavily influenced based on the characters ability to deal enough damage to achieve the 3-star objective, the easier and more quickly achieved the higher the rating,
Specialist - Rating is heavily influenced based on the damage they provide, defense or efficiency boost created by the unique teams these characters create or the utility they provide against certain encounters,
Amplifier - Rating is influenced based on the damage amplification abilities of the character and the utility they provide to the team,
Sustain - Rating is influenced based on the characters ability to keep the team alive and the utility they provide. The more utility and higher the safety, the higher the rating.
Other criteria affecting the ratings
Each tier list rates characters based on their average value in the specific game mode it represents. The higher a character is rated on the tier list the greater their power and more widely they can be used effectively in the mode. We consider:
Flexibility - how the characters kit functions against various enemy types, amounts of enemies and their ability to perform when not fighting against enemies vulnerable to their element,
Investment - some characters require specific limited 5★ units, heavy investment in certain relic sets or an abundance of sub-stats in order to function at the highest level. Each of these points impacts the rating in a negative way. - the more the character requires to perform well, the bigger the impact,
Utility - recently released characters possess abilities that lie beyond their defined role, for example Amplifiers/Sustains that can deal decent damage. The more a character helps the team outside of their role, the bigger positive impact on their rating it has.
My own thoughts just from personal experience:
Agree
Gallagher's greatness is recognised.
QQ stays winning.
Blade's placement is... depressingly accurate. Hoping Jade's release heralds the return of the king as OhSatan promised.
Acheron really is the pinnacle at the moment. Even without balling out like some of you, at E0 it's my go-to "turn brain off" auto team even in MoC.
Disagree
I would swap Huo Huo and Fu Xuan personally.
Gepard is far too low, especially now that they're accounting for his signature LC. His utility, while limited, exists and when it comes to just keeping everyone alive he should be ahead of Bailu at least.
Probably the biggest disagree is Pela. Again looking at their new criteria that accounts for flexibility, investment and utitlity, she should be way higher.
I'd bump up Asta.
I think it's mostly spot on and my disagreements are minor but I also kinda wish there was some hotter takes. I dunno, it would be interesting to have them just flat out say Ruan Mei is better than Robin or vice versa and let the hate flow :D
I get it though, they're a good resource for people and different characters serve different purposes so it's difficult and unnecessary to stake out a bold claim. Also hell hath no fury like a character stan sleighted.
its hard to really say unless you own every character. Like to me i cant picture dan with horns or jingilu being much stronger than Ratio because he is a complete beast for me.
of the ones i own definitely probably agree with blade, if there is a victim of power creep its him. Ruan mei/robin yeah i think it kinda makes sense to have them together as your splitting hairs and it depends what your team is for which one is better, same as sparkler i imagine.
left out the most important list too. The one where Kuru Kuru still reigns supreme.
The small heals should still be great for Acheron teams though, allowing Gallagher to sustain more comfortably.
OR, maybe it will allow us to use Acheron with no sustain, using Welt + Jiaoqiu + Sparkle instead. Maybe Welt's delays + the small heals will be enough?
Man, I already know this unit is gonna tempt the shit out of me to pull for Eidolons and/or S1. I might really have to skip Ruan Mei's rerun...
Wrapped up all the new 2.2 content today after a LOT of playing. Even outside the story, the new stuff was quite chunky. I'm also happy that the minigames were more challenging this time, which was especially welcome for the Clockie minigame. A few of those had me stumped for a while, which never happened in the previous updates.
By the way, the English localization, outside the main story itself, keeps struggling with keeping to one tense. It will randomly jump back and forth between past and present tense in the middle of dialogue (and particularly with the white text on black background story screens), which is such a rookie writing mistake that I question the QA effort they put into the side content's localization texts. The main story doesn't have this issue, just the side stuff. There was less of this mistake in 2.2 than in previous versions, but it's still there and feels like nails on a chalkboard whenever it pops up.
When you think about it he is too good and better the more you invest. E0s0? Strong ss hell, Ultimate debuffs. E0S1? Well add his follow up to the debuff list. E2S1. Everything he does outside skill debuffs.
I find it hard slotting him out of a team when I do PF or MoC. Fu Xuan will help with the FOMO feeling.
I got Robin to lvl 80, need to farm relics. And when Firefly drops, I'll get her , her LC so I can make that Firefly/Harmony TB/Gallagher/someone team.
Oh thats neat. I also got a Gallagher from the LC banner while going for Swordplay or an early Topaz LC, so hes E3 now. E4 seems like a pretty valuable con.
