But they did have two or so of their games exclusive to New 3DS
How would you feel if Nintendo Switch Plus “exclusives” still came to OG models, as Cloud Versions?
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My feelings exactly. This is a PS4 Pro situation, the base Switch will outsell the Switch Pro as long as it's available. Every game being developed will aim for adequate OG performance.
I guess I don't really get the question.
If you're a bystander, why would it matter?
If you own the pro, why would you be disappointed for others to have the option to play some of the games the same way?
If you own the OG Switch, I can see where it could be frustrating if third parties abandon the OG to cloud ports entirely, but that's highly unlikely for the vast majority of third party titles. A cloud title is a much harder sell than a native port, and most third parties won't want to abandon the market potential of nearly 100M users.
If you're a bystander, why would it matter?
If you own the pro, why would you be disappointed for others to have the option to play some of the games the same way?
If you own the OG Switch, I can see where it could be frustrating if third parties abandon the OG to cloud ports entirely, but that's highly unlikely for the vast majority of third party titles. A cloud title is a much harder sell than a native port, and most third parties won't want to abandon the market potential of nearly 100M users.
I don't think anyone is expecting exclusives from Nintendo. Especially not anytime soon. Maybe way down the li e when a successor is released we could get a Fire Emblem Warriors situation.
People are expecting third party games on other platforms that would be very difficult to port to the OG Switch.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a big demanding third party or two launch exclusive on the new model.
From there I don't really see Nintendo preventing companies from doing it, but I don't see many companies jumping to make much of any games exclusive because of the massive portion of the install base they would be missing out on.
But those were ports from more powerful hardware. No such Nintendo games exist relative to the Switch.
It would be good if people actually read the OP. It is clearly talking about games from more powerful platforms, not games developed exclusively for the Switch, such as 1st party.
As a backup option that's fine. I do not like not being able to backup them locally though.
Seems like a band aid option for owners of the original which kinda sucks for original owners. I think some companies would just not spend the time and investment to make a playable version on OG Switch even if it was possible if it became the norm.
My question also would be if the cloud version would come with the physical, pro version? Seeing as companies really like to rip off Nintedo users I wonder if they'd try and charge you seperately for physical for pro and cloud for OG.
My question also would be if the cloud version would come with the physical, pro version? Seeing as companies really like to rip off Nintedo users I wonder if they'd try and charge you seperately for physical for pro and cloud for OG.
I really hope so.
Cloud versions for the OG model, and games that actually take advantage of the improved hardware. Best case scenario for me, but I can see why people would be against it.
Cloud versions for the OG model, and games that actually take advantage of the improved hardware. Best case scenario for me, but I can see why people would be against it.
The fact of the matter is that there are quite a few games on other systems that just can't be ported to the existing Switch. If they were possible, they would likely be on the OG Switch already (Ex: RE7).
Oh yea I understand that. I think it would be a shame if companies started to default to creating a cloud version instead of considering a port. Things like Dragon Quest or Witcher 3 for example which were possible to port and well regarded but problably were quite an investment. I could see it being a hard sell to argue for a native port if a Cloud version is cheaper and easier to provide.
As others have said, the audience for the OG Switch is massive. If a native port for the OG Switch is possible, they'd go for it.
if there's a crossbuy option i'd be fine with it. if i bought a cloud version of a game, i'd want to get the native version for free when i upgrade to a switch pro.
Nintendo will stay on regular Switch. It's the third parties we're talking about. You simply cannot have Mafia 1 or Red Dead 2 running on regular Switch. It's either Switch Pro or none at all.
By the time PS5 and XSX gen grows big enough, third parties will abandon the old Switch regardless. Games will be too demanding to have downports of. Even something like The Witcher 3 took a year to bring to Switch.
But as everyone said, many of Resetera members don't use their Switches for anything beside first party titles and indies. It's natural for those folk to understand to concept of this. Switch Pro is clearly not for them. It's Nintendo's attempt to make presence in the mainstream gaming area. Switch has already missed many important titles like Call of Duty, Battlefield and Star Wars games. It's totally make sense for Nintendo to want a slice of that cake.
I'm vaguely expecting games to be tailored to the pro, released on OG but optimisiation slipping on OG. From the third party perspective at least.
And would a cloud solution really be the easy option? Sounds like more of a commitment than print, sell and forget port.
Just realized something... PaulGaleNetwork. This is the person who leaked details about PSABR, right?
Cloud versions are honestly terrible.
I'd just prefer them to cut the cord, or have a low-spec version. Like, New Switch games can't be run portable on old switches, and run in portable mode docked.
I'd just prefer them to cut the cord, or have a low-spec version. Like, New Switch games can't be run portable on old switches, and run in portable mode docked.
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Just realized something... PaulGaleNetwork. This is the person who leaked details about PSABR, right?
Correct Obi-wan! Haha. Yes it's me! Good seeing fellow gamers with memories. Fun times!
Whatever Nintendo does, I hope it's consumer friendly and able to be understood by the majority.
I don't care I am usually in favor of more options for ppl
if this is comparable to a ps4 pro jump it shouldn't be an issue but... this seems bigger than that? Could be mistaken
if this is comparable to a ps4 pro jump it shouldn't be an issue but... this seems bigger than that? Could be mistaken
There will be a lot of PS4 + Xbox One ports that were simply impossible on the current Switch due to it's CPU. The new CPU could be up to an 8x improvement then you probably have double the GPU power, double the ram (with at least double the memory bandwidth). It's probably going to be an enormous leap in tech over the original and that's ignoring DLSS which will take 1080p games to 4k when docked.
The difference between the Playstation 4 and Playstation 4 Pro or Xbox One and Xbox One X is not the same universe as the difference between the current Nintendo Switch and the Playstation 5/Xbox Series X.
The Switch is ALREADY completely locked out of ports from the new-gen consoles, so if the new Switch isn't it is getting exclusives by default.
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I liked both my launch 3DS and Majora's Mask New 3DS XL, but feel like this Nintendo Switch revision could potentially be more important for people to upgrade to.
Very true and definitely what I was trying to convey!
That's right...and even Game Boy Color.
What type of internet speeds to you get?
I think that most agree that cloud gaming is their least desirable, but if it's that or nothing, having the option to play in some capacity beats missing out on an experience for some.
The portability factor is definitely huge, but part of that portable nature is still being in your house and in different rooms...so at least in those cases, cloud gaming would still work. It would be on the more difficult side to have cloud access on a car ride, however.
Similar to how Doom had part of the game on a cartridge and part (the multiplayer) as a download mandatory situation, Square-Enix could very likely compress a lot of Final Fantasy XV onto a 32gb cartridge, with an "on the box note" that a mandatory X amount of gb of storage space is needed to download the rest of the game. Also, Nintendo Switch's cartridges are only going to get cheaper. Not that anyone is rushing to use 64gb ones, but a couple of years from now, I wouldn't be surprised to see certain titles utilize them (or like I said earlier, split the game up).
Hopefully Nintendo launches Nintendo Switch Plus right alongside The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 2, with the former showing just how mind-blowing of an impact it has on the latter. This, along with other games that resonate well with fans and we could be looking at a very strong selling "enhanced" model.
Yeah, even if it's a case where the eShop or cartridge you get, that will work on your eventual Nintendo Switch Plus, in the meantime, allows access to a cloud version of the game on your current Nintendo Switch or Lite.
Right. Maybe making the games $50 for cloud versions, with the understanding that they may/will one day leave, is a softening blow. Perhaps it gives you a discount for if you buy the game digitally in the future. Or best option is that when you get the title on eShop or in cartridge format, it comes with cloud access to said title.
I liked and still enjoy my New Nintendo 3DS XL too.
I'm glad you see it as a "if it's the only console a person has and is their only option to play it" situation, because that's what I was getting at. And I agree, it would have been nice to have Kid Icarus work with the second stick on my New 3DS XL.
I see where you're coming from. I sit in the boat of, the more content and options, the better. Cool though.
Fair enough.
Do you plan on upgrading to the new model?
Yeah.
You nailed it. Exactly my thoughts and thanks for commenting!
Right!? They ran very well for me, too. If Nintendo made cloud versions cost lost or included them with purchases of digital versions, it'd be terrific.
Yeah, certain components could definitely make sense like you suggested with Destiny 2.
A small percentage of 90 million, like .005% of the owners, buying a heavy hitter game for Nintendo Switch, as a cloud only title, would still be a whopping 450,000 "copies" sold. That's not going to happen for every game, but if a publisher thinks they could bust out that type of number at $50 a pop on base models, while the "real" game sells for $60 on Nintendo Switch +, I can see them wanting that money.
For certain titles that have yet to come to Nintendo Switch, it seems like developers are confident that they can't get it to run, even scaled down on the platform. A cloud version though? Maybe.
oh boy...a 90gb cartridge. sounds fun. Does it either cost $100 or will the cart only contains half the game and the player got to download the other half?
Before anyone retort me using 'muh compression'.....there's only so much you can compress...we are not living in HBO's silicon valley' world.....there's no real life pied piper......there's no magical 'middle-out' compression.
32gb cartridges in 2021 cost less than they did in 2017. 64gb cartridges, I could see being in the wild, should a game be big enough that it needs it, within the next year or two...and at more acceptable costs. Add cartridge costs going down, the possibility of splitting the file size between cartridge and download (like has happened before), and some compression, I can't see any 100gb game in the world today, having an excuse to not be on Nintendo Switch Plus (if it's capable of running it), by 2023. If the system is able to replicate the success of the current one, it will have a big userbase in no time. Some developers were late to jump on the NS bandwagon and I don't think they want to miss the boat this time. We'll see!
That's why I thought that having a game in some capacity was better than not having it at all.
I'd rather not have any exclusives at all. Every game should run natively in both models in some capacity, otherwise don't bother with it
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I think that the majority of "no" votes here are answering the wrong question– instead expressing that they don't want exclusive games to start with. Because otherwise, what's the harm? Better than not having it at all, as others have said. Some games simply won't be able to run on both models.
How would I feel?
Bad. Obviously.
It's seems like a buckwild thing to do...which is why I have to believe that it is something Nintendo is definitely considering.
I am really dreading a switch upgrade. It's gonna be:
Bad. Obviously.
It's seems like a buckwild thing to do...which is why I have to believe that it is something Nintendo is definitely considering.
I am really dreading a switch upgrade. It's gonna be:
- Saves won't transfer over
- Licenses won't transfer over
- Accounts won't transfer over
- Screenshots you accidentally took will
- That demo you downloaded and forgot to play will be the only thing you can access.
It's kind of amazing how many people here still don't know this.
How would you feel if it's a Switch Plus with exclusives, then the following device is a Switch 3 while Nintendo continues to support the Switch Plus?
If by "properly" you mean like Hyrule Warriors 3D, I don't see it. I imagine the Breath of the Wild sequel will have similar performance to the original on the base hardware. There's not really much need to push it further when the upgraded model is targeting 4K (and potentially a higher frame rate now that they're experimenting with Skyward Sword).
Not just compression, but asset quality. You could slash assets (which make up the vast majority of game storage) to 1/4 the level of detail for the Switch and nobody would bat an eye. Compressing something that's closer to ~30-40 GB and maybe requiring a little extra be downloaded to get under 16 GB? Perfectly reasonable. Or if they're cheaper by then, 32 GB carts exist and should be borderline easy to fit the game in.oh boy...a 90gb cartridge. sounds fun. Does it either cost $100 or will the cart only contains half the game and the player got to download the other half?
Before anyone retort me using 'muh compression'.....there's only so much you can compress...we are not living in HBO's silicon valley' world.....there's no real life pied piper......there's no magical 'middle-out' compression.
You absolute monster!!! How low do you want the door texture to be? 4x4 texture?
No way in hell there are many exclusives for the Switch Pro. There might be a few small 1st party games, and maybe a few 3rd party games, but the OG Switch has just sold way too many units for them to actually go down that path.
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What you said is true and that's that there is a good amount of people out there without the best internet. How all of the numbers of players break down would be fascinating to see.
Perhaps as internet speeds become more reliable across the world...
A downgraded version that is still acceptable, would be most desirable.
It'll be interesting to see how the thing is marketed. I don't think it'll be a full on #2, but hey, it certainly could be.
Yeah, third parties and their games is definitely far more likely than Nintendo's own.
If a Nintendo Switch 2 would play Xbox Series S games at PS4 Pro levels, released in November of 2023 for $400, that'd be one helluva machine.
If those "exclusives" were still available on base models as cloud versions, would you still feel the same?
I see. Good seeing a variety of opinions.
That's good!
I'm glad you see it that way as well. Getting DMC5 out there on the system, even if only natively on the NS Plus, would be a good thing. And provided a cloud version of the game be made available on base models...perhaps at a more affordable cost, why not?
Yeah, I think that Nintendo Switch 2 will eventually come out, with Nintendo still supporting the other models for a while into the new sequel console. I can't see them abandoning the base NS units any time soon.
What if Nintendo doesn't, but third parties do?
Yeah, something is better than nothing.
Right.
Hopefully we find out during a big June Nintendo Direct!
Nintendo is on a roll right now and I'm sure they're being extra careful to not have another Wii U situation. Hopefully they have learned.
Those two would be great to have on the new model. Give gamers more opportunities to play more games and for some titles, the first time capable of being played natively, on the go. Could you see Red Dead Redemption 2 and Borderlands 3 having cloud versions on the base NS platforms or not?
I agree.
Thank you! You get what we're about to receive and the potential within! If the reports are accurate, the leap will be significant and not taking advantage of the new capabilities to their fullest, would kind of be a shame. Give cloud versions which are better than nothing to people that can't upgrade yet and it's a win-win for everyone.
Absolutely.
What happened in your Control experience? It worked well for me. Unless it was an internet issue, then I understand that.
Of course. If they can scale their games to run across all models, that would be optimum.
Maybe if they just can't run at all on the base model. Hopefully this new system sells extremely well, so that 2 years into its lifespan, we're looking at 30+ million designated units of it out there. 150 million Nintendo Switch owners by March 3rd, 2024 with 30 million of them being Nintendo Switch Plus owners seems quite possible. And at that time, boom, cue Nintendo Switch 2 for release, while still supporting NS/NS Lite/NS+ until November, 2025.
Yeah perhaps not from Nintendo, but from third parties, perhaps.
Actually it's expected for games to have even smaller sizes with DLSS. All the devs have to do is port their game at lower resolutions and DLSS would do its magic of bringing the resolution to an acceptable level.
It's worth nothing that these "miracle ports" most likely won't feature 4K visuals. As they're demanding games, the juice DLSS frees would be used to get the game to run.
Control devs Remedy tried that but didn't work. So it's cloud only on base Switch. It might come to Switch Pro as a native port.
This is the scenario I'm fine with. Third party games would most likely just be ports from other systems I already own.
If Nintendo does make exclusives for this this new model, and its not a Switch 2, then that number of exclusives would probably be small. It would be pretty shitty to have to buy a new system just to play a small handful of games that aren't available anywhere else.
I know this is an enthusiast forum, but I would bet the majority of people who play games, including myself, don't like spending money on new hardware if we don't have to. Its why I like long generations, and if I can play a game on a system I already own I'll just do that.
I don't think they should make any games for the "Switch Plus" that don't run natively on the regular base model Switch.
Same. If they don't run natively on the original Switch, then the Switch Pro might as well be a new console entirely.
It is, though.
Everything we're hearing points to this being an iterative upgrade, like an iPhone 2.
Again, I really don't think PS4 pro level is possible in handheld even in 2023. I think 2.5TFs is probably the peak but of course dlss might help.
I also can't see Nintendo going over $300-$350. I don't even think Pro will go over $300. $399 would be way too high IMO.
especially when you consider there is real possibility $299-$350 Ps5 slim in holiday 2023, when Switch 2 could release, and potentially $200-$250 (at worst $299 still) Xbox series s
If a game literally couldn't run on the Switch, but could on the "Pro", the existing units sold are irrelevant.
I wouldn't be as pissed off because my switch is pretty much Nintendo games only, Xbox is for the rest.
But I would still think it was a dick move. Give games enhancements or whatever you gotta do. But exclusive only games is not cool.