Considering Izuku isn't a trillionaire really doubt he'd be able to face most of the quirk users in this world. Kid with basic h2h and a baseball bat is getting fucking KO'd by Bakuguo 9 out of 10 times unless he's got some good ass plot armor
I Always Thought My Hero Academia Wasted Its Premise (slight spoilers)
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But Batman without all of his psychoses is a much less interesting character than Superman is.
But Batman is on a team with gods and fights Darkseid, an opponent that completely dwarfs him. He's defeated literal gods of the DCU. In fact, Dark Knights Metal implies that if Batman became evil he'd be able to kill every hero on earth easily (Not the first time it's been implied, but I think it's the most recent).
Deku would work just fine as a quirkless support hero. I feel like it'd be way better than what we have now, actually. Honestly, ever since I started MHA I'd been wondering when we'd get a Batman type hero.
How Deku is dumb and Todoroki isnt? A big part ofTodoroki personality is that he is super dense at times when it isnt about his dad.
So you stop liking him better after chapter 2? And like I explained in the manga thread back when we had this discussion, no Deku never was the under dog for long, just before the sports festival he was the one that Todoroki, the one at the top of the class, saw as his biggest rival, that was the moment that any status of underdog was lift for deku
That's another thing that rubs me the wrong way, another series that introduces cool girl characters only to do jack shit with them.
Granting, I'm also a One Piece fan, so...
I mean, One Piece isn't the worst with this
If MHA did the four emperors, Big Mom would get jobbed instantly to show how cool Zoro is or something
The women in MHA are dire
Ochako peaked in the sports fest and holy fucking shit Momo, Iida got over almost trying to murder someone before you got over your confidence issues. I half expect Todoroki to hash things out with his father before she gets her groove back
Mina's just there to get saved for Kirishima
Tsuyu is cool when she does anything, though
Jesus Christ man you're so ready to disagree did you even think about what I said?
He was an underdog a lot longer than that. I'd say until he mastered full cowling and could go a fight without breaking half his body
There you go editing out your post again. I don't even know why I respond to you anymore
Batman doesn't work just fine though. Not only does he have endless amounts of capital to fund his tech, he pretty much has genius level intellect and foresight to such an extreme extent that his contingency plans have contingency plans. Like we've grown to accept Batman, Green Arrow, Nightwing, etc.. as capable despite being without powers but anytime they have to deal with actual powered individuals all kinds of exigent circumstances have to come into play.
Of course MHA could do this same thing but that doesn't make it better. It's just substituting actual powers with pseudo-powers.
Don't worry when the series is ending Deku will finally acknowledge gravity girl has a vagina and they'll pop out a kid for the epilogue.
No it wouldnt. In the same arc that you are talking about the best performers in each battle were the female characters except for the battle that included Bakugo. So it was more about Bakugo than some possible implied dislike for female characters by the author
No he wasnt. I already explained back then and even explained again in my post. But you ignored the explanation both times
When Mina was saved by Kirishima? She was the one saving people when he froze
If Mei was a buff as fuck middle age man, who doesn't make the gadgets himself.
Also thanks for bring up Mei. Quirkless Deku could still work of you made him as smart as Mei. Make him an inventor who uses his own gadgets. He gets into UA so he can make gear for the other students, but starts using his own stuff.
It would also be cancelled and since MHA was horikoshi last chance he wasn't going to risk that
Funny you mention that because of the chapter just released today is the opposite of this
Honestly I think you could do a powerless of severely under powered character up against super powered villains and other heroes, you just would need to write the story so that its not just getting into a brawl that wins fights. Its totally possible but it'd require some fairly clever writing, both on the short and the long term but it could be done and has been done in other stories.
That's your opinion, just like how in my opinion he was more of an underdog character until he mastered full cowling. I don't know what "back then" is, and you edited your post after I quoted you already
I don't think it would have. The reason it's popular isn't because Deku has powers, it's because it's a superhero world manga that came out around the time the Marvel movies were getting big. Deku being quirkless wouldn't change that. Hell, him being the Batman/Iron Man of the world might even help.
That isnt an opinion. That is just using the definition of underdog
"a competitor thought to have little chance of winning a fight or contest."
When the strongest guy in the class considers you the biggest threat you isn't someone that is thought to have little chance of winning
That is easy to say in hindsight, but we don't know how shueisha decides what series should continue or dropped, or even more important, what series should be even approved to be serialized. It is very probable that the condition for MHA to be serialized is that Deku had a quirk.
My issue with Deku/Izuku aren't with his quirks, but that the series kind of began with this whole concept that he has these amazing powers, but he's going to need the support of his friends in order to fully realize his potential.
Then with each passing arc, that mattered...less and less? Fewer and fewer of Class 1A were involved in Deku/Izuku's efforts to the point where the series is almost exclusively focused on him, Bakugou, and Todoroki. I -at least- thought that Ochako and Iida would get some attention, but it really is just those three I mentioned.
Doesn't help that the villains in this series are so, SO bad. If they're not fighting each other (which actually happens rather frequently for some reason?), they're incompetent at fighting the UA folk, giving the cast, and Deku, little reason to grow as characters.
Will admit the Kirishima's big moment this season was great though.
Then with each passing arc, that mattered...less and less? Fewer and fewer of Class 1A were involved in Deku/Izuku's efforts to the point where the series is almost exclusively focused on him, Bakugou, and Todoroki. I -at least- thought that Ochako and Iida would get some attention, but it really is just those three I mentioned.
Doesn't help that the villains in this series are so, SO bad. If they're not fighting each other (which actually happens rather frequently for some reason?), they're incompetent at fighting the UA folk, giving the cast, and Deku, little reason to grow as characters.
Will admit the Kirishima's big moment this season was great though.
Edgy, typically no, dull and with a lack of consistent logic behind its magic, yes.
As someone who's been watching both series from the beginning, I would say that Yami and Zora are among the few noteworthy characters in Black Clover, most others are just okay or otherwise rely too much on a single personality gimmick. The villains pretty much all suck.
Eh but even in world trigger I grew way tired of the MC being useless. Like he's really useless and not good at anything, he's not even really smart. It's frustrating
I don't see it. In Deku vs Todooki he was still the underdog. No one was betting on Deku over Todoroki, and in fact when Todoroki went full power he won. Deku struggles that whole fight. Deku learning the best way to use his quirk during exercises, breaking his bones in battle, controlling his power output...all of that stuff is him being an underdog.
The other students have had their quirks since they were 4, Deku was playing catch up for a while. Nowadays he doesn't have the same struggle and is less of an underdog.
Kind of irrelevant. Deku doesn't need to build a Trillion-dollar mech suit, or tank, or jet or whatever. He also doesn't need to become a Bat-God. He just needs to have a passable knowledge of fictional mechanical engineering, robotics and his already displayed penchant for analyzing his friends and foes. Spider-Man isn't filthy rich or meta-human smart and he managed to build web-shooters and trackers. There's no need to go overboard and have him build a giant mech-suit or anything.
the fact that he inherited the most powerful ability is what makes the series boring. the other characters are far more interesting than him but the manga will always have to revolve around him and that will always be a drag. he's also boring as shit and reminds me a lot of tsuna from hitman reborn. i stopped reading the series because i really don't care about deku.
I would appreciate a manga/anime with decent villains. Even Demon Slayer which I love a ton has pretty mediocre villains.
Just because he wasn't the favourite against one character doesnt mean he is an underdog, it isnt how things work. If your logic worked then Deku would be the underdog to this day because he is still weaker than Bakugo and Todoroki
Nah, as someone who is ho hum on the series currently , a quirkless Deku wouldn't have made it more interesting.
If anything, All Might should've had a more conceptual power, rather than something as straightforward as super strength to give Deku something more interesting to work with and to allow himself to differentiate himself from All Might without going down the path we've gotten with recent developments.
If anything, All Might should've had a more conceptual power, rather than something as straightforward as super strength to give Deku something more interesting to work with and to allow himself to differentiate himself from All Might without going down the path we've gotten with recent developments.
Yeah, this makes no sense to me why he idolizes his bully. One of my issues with Deku
It's not just Todoroki, dude used to literally break his bones fighting because he had poor control. If you can't see how the early version of the character was more of an underdog then what we have now I don't know what to tell you.
We also don't know how strong Deku is compared to Bakugo and Todoroki, the last time he fought either of them he was much weaker
all might should have given the user the power they invision. all might chose power and deku could have chosen some other kind of power to use. Or perhaps since he was such a hero nerd he could have got powers from all his fav heroes but shitty imitations and had to work hard to make them work together.
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By the time of the sports festival he already knew how to punch at 5% so no he didnt need to break himself. In fact in the calvary battle he used 5%
And underdog isnt an adjective. You either is an underdog or isn't
The point is the same. It doesn't make him powerless, it just gives him pseudo powers. And Spidey's intelligence is still Genius level to be able to make those gadgets. It's just that, like so many things in comic universes, the scale is absurd.
The Everyman stand-ins in comics are only an "Everyman" in contextual comparison to the other super powered beings. But they're still super in comparison to actual average people in those worlds. Deku being a quirkless character in the world of MHA doesn't even just make him average. It makes him less-than-average. So a truly quirkless character becoming a hero doesn't work. And a quirkless hero that uses tech instead of a quirk is just changing the dressing. It's not an improvement. Just a surface level change.
I actually thought that Deku would basically become Batman early on. And while I was kinda disappointed that it didn't happen, his relationship with All Might quickly made me okay with the decision.
He couldn't punch consistently until full cowl and in my opinion he was an underdog, like I said, until he mastered full cowling. Disagree all you like, but deal with it
Midoriya is still a kid learning to control the world's greatest power and live up to and surpass his idol
fuck all that powerless Batman shit, cool glowing powers are sweet
the Deku/All Might relationship is where is the truth
fuck all that powerless Batman shit, cool glowing powers are sweet
the Deku/All Might relationship is where is the truth
There's even a character whose quirk is she makes really good gadgets, just making a smart guy wouldnt cut it or would just be another quirk in this universe
That's why Mumen Rider from One Punch Man is the best.
Agreed.
Her Quirk is being able to zoom in with her eyes.
I ended up dropping MHA an arc or two ago.
When the series first started I just wanted to see Deku do better without destroying himself and now I'm pretty meh on current Deku and the stuff they've set up with him. Deku probably will end up having a latent quirk of his own that combines what his parents have at the the end of the story. Deku was cool early on because you had the whole "can I be a hero without a quirk" thing, but that's kinda gone now and the other characters have more vibrant personalities and abilities.
When the series first started I just wanted to see Deku do better without destroying himself and now I'm pretty meh on current Deku and the stuff they've set up with him. Deku probably will end up having a latent quirk of his own that combines what his parents have at the the end of the story. Deku was cool early on because you had the whole "can I be a hero without a quirk" thing, but that's kinda gone now and the other characters have more vibrant personalities and abilities.
Osamu is actually super smart and is the one coming up with all the strategies. His thing is that he tries to find ways to work around his physical limitations.
With female characters in WSJ battle series Black Clover is probably the best with MHA and Demon Slayer towards the bottom. I haven't read Jujitsu Kaisen and Samurai8, but from what I've heard the latter is probably bottom of the list in Jump.
Mx0 was super good.
Yes, her quirk has nothing to do with her being smart enough to make gadgets. A quirkless person could have taken her place and nothing would have changed.
She uses her quirk once and it's as a gag.
I mean, that's already happening in the current series. Dude just ass pulls from his OP power to win fights with no ingenuity involved. He's also like, the dumbest character who the author constantly tries to make look smart.
Deku should've had Monoma's quirk. It would allow him to use his observational abilities and hero/villain obsession to copy other quirks and put his own spin on them. He could've even kept his initial limitation in that his body isn't a a good vessel to house abilities properly.