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I am disappointed by the lack of diversity depicted in Squadron 42
- Thread starter Vela
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OP: I'm disappointed that there are too few PoC in the game
Era: Wow, Soandso is in the game?! Awesome
Era: Wow, Soandso is in the game?! Awesome
Just like sora87 above you, people refusing to engage with the questions raised in the OP are showing their asses
Where's "there"?
Lol tbe only thing diverse about that cast is that they have different looking faces and names.
I'm really intrigued by this claim that Spainiards, Portuguese, Italians, and Greeks aren't white. How far can we push this, can I get an "Occitanians aren't white" next? How about the Swiss. C'mon they're right on the border with Italy, surely they must have gotten a little sun here or there.
We can end white supremacy right here, clearly white people just never existed at all outside of the northern fjords of Norway and Svalbard. We've been living in a glorious multi-colored post-racial world this whole time.
Where's "there"?
IMDB, as i said.
I said, very precisely that the main cast isn't diverse. This image is the main cast.
The rest of the cast is more diverse. As seen in imdb. Is it that hard to click on a link ?
Now this is enough to raise some eyebrows I was wondering the same thing. Fuck what the OP talking about right my favorite actor from my favorite t.v show is in the game coolzies..
I dont find it racist necessarily myself but honestly I can't even blame somebody who does its as shortsighted as it gets.
That's the main cast? Whew not very diverse. And if people want to bring up supporting casts I think adding "in the main cast" to the title wouldn't change OP's argument and could help people from linking IMDB.
Cmon man, really? 5 whole black guys, an asian woman, and persian guy listed in "other cast" among a sea of white people and you call that diversity?
wow, someone understand the reason the cast probably was selected....
My calling the claim blank is bad english on my part, I honestly could not think of the word in the moment / I was thinking cart blanche or single colour stroke (hah), basically how unnuanced the usage of the word is.
I agree that it is not diverse for main cast, I just think calling the entire game racist is a step that conjures up entirely different images in my head of actual intentional racist propaganda.
I do not think it is a coincidence, but one born of a myopia on Chris Robert's part from his social sphere and upbringing. The guy is a white 50 something man who worked in Hollywood and grew up watching star wars- i think he just hired the big positions based upon his circle of friends (Hamill, Davies, etc) and his favourite sci-fi media. Which given his age and Hollywood experience are all white people basically.
I just think there is a big distinction to make between implicitly following racial norms (which are normatively not good of course) and many more explicit forms of racism.
I see you're tying to do the "I don't see color, only talent" thing but even then it makes no sense to have the main cast be so fully white unless you believe only white people have the talent to pull this off.
Yeah, main cast is super white. But, I am pleased by the diversity of the supporting cast as I've watched gameplay snippets here and there.
I thought it was pretty well known Chris Roberts was a 'conservative' of a certain kind. Looking back though I can't find it googling easily -- probably just dog whistle stuff I read a while back.
lolOn one hand, the OP is absolutely right.
On the other, this is the audience at CitizenCon:
Perhaps I am just an old school marxist focused on the base, but I think bodily and economic oppression tend to be worse than super structural cultural oppressions. Like as an example, I think U.S. cops shooting black men to death or how poor black people in the U.S. are more readily incarcerated for minor infractions to be more harmful than non-diverse casting decisions in media.
I do think the super structural media problems though send signals about who is in charge and definitely do not help people feel cared for, loved, or represented.
On one hand, the OP is absolutely right.
On the other, this is the audience at CitizenCon:
It's less diverse than a Trump rally.
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What's the difference between AfD making a game only featuring white people versus Cloud Imperium Games making a game only featuring white people? What difference does that make to the end product that we play anyway? I.e. intent does not matter. It's still racism.
Both class and race are inter-connected. As a Marxist, you should know this. + Culture matters in how society is structured - material conditions reinforce cultural conditions and vice versa.
Yeah I always find that odd that people blanket Iberian/Greek people as "not white". Like there are a lot of Spanish people with Moor or even Berber descendants, or Greeks with Turkish descendants. But there are a hell of a lot of pale as fuck white people people from the European Mediterranean countries. But I guess when you view everything from an American sense only North Europe and some of West Europe is "white".
I think you do not fully understand the affects of racism and how it can have lasting consequences beyond the initial action.
Non-diverse hiring decisions can lead to lower economic mobility. Lower economic mobility can lead to individuals living in lower income areas. These areas are heavily monitored by police because of racial biases. And the individuals living in these areas are more likely to have interactions with the police.
I'm using the scenario above to show how your examples of a black person getting shot by the police and non-diverse hiring can easily be connected.
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It's definitely not a mindset I ever encountered in europe.
Yah. The ratio of men to women is just fucked, too--it bugged me when I first watched the trailer, so I went back and counted, and - not counting the aliens, or anyone in super bulky armour with covered faces - there were four women, to twenty-seven men.
Like what the shit, my guy.
Like what the shit, my guy.
Are there no PoC with similar talents?
They at least have Kanye. Maybe Mike Tyson too.
They currently don't even have female character models in Star Citizen. That's on the "roadmap" for the next release. lol
Agreed, it's not, it's the projection of American ideas on European people. There are Spanish, Italian, Irish, Dutch, French, and Greek people in my job and you could create a line up containing one of all of them and you could conceivably struggle to pick out that they were from different countries, never mind different races.
They have female characters in SC. Not playable female characters, which are coming soon, as you said.
'I dont see color, I see talent' is a real problem that should be addressed with.
Even Naughty Dog had that problem with Uncharted 4.
That said I don't think it's being racist, but they could have done a hell lot better.
Even Naughty Dog had that problem with Uncharted 4.
That said I don't think it's being racist, but they could have done a hell lot better.
There's one for the hall of shame.
They always try to flip it on you like you're the one in the wrong for asking for more diversity.
Well we know AfDs aims and desires - to basically cleanse Germany and European mainland of people of colour and non-christian Germanic ancestry. I think them making a game would have an intentional political message.
CIG having the implicit racial status quo being upheld but not having that overt messaging changes the degree of badness in my brain about it. I do not like it or prefer it, but I think it is less evil?
Recognising the interconenctedness of race and clas is not something I would argue against, my bad if it came across that way. My statement below that one agreed with what you are saying, it is a dialectic so they influence each other: but the base is still the base. I just think the racisms that are associated with abject suffering (not sure what you are eating tonight, feeling fear for your life) are more direct, more painful, and more urgently bad and problematic. That is why I think changing the base is a primary concern and the superstructural ones secondary if we had to make a choice between the two. Obviously, it would be great if the two could change at the same time. Which is why I will not complain ever about people having problems with diversity - but it would be nice to be able to discuss degrees of intentionality and degrees of badness.
I think in the grand scheme of it all it is all very connected - good point. And I do not have the effects of racism negatively affect me. I just really think the bodily, economic oppressions of racism are worse in the moment than the other ones. I am sometimes amconflicted about the cultural turn in marxism. I wrote my thesis about the political value of video games for emancipatory purposes, but at the same time I feel like maybe we are losing some of the political clout and big picture goals when we overly-focus on cultural productions. I am not sure how to best bring about change, but I know I want those bodily-economic ones to be solved more quickly and urgently than the cultural ones because it means life or death for people.
Also, thanks for this conversation - I have felt so politically apathetic as of late.
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User banned (1 Month) - dismissing concerns of representation over a series of posts + history of severe infractions
Maybe the guy hired the people he wanted, their is no onus on creators to make sure POC / minorities are represented.
If I was to create a game / book or movie, hitting arbitrary targets of representation would not be a part of my creative process, if the story led to POC being part of the narrative then I would gladly include them, or people of different genders / sexual orientation.
I don't believe affirmative action has a place in all areas. In the work place, education etc .... absolutely.
Creativity is not one of those places.
Vote with the your wallet against this game if the representation is not sufficient / to your liking and support those that meet your personal criteria.
Shaming people where it does not belong is a bit strong, as is the racist label.
If I was to create a game / book or movie, hitting arbitrary targets of representation would not be a part of my creative process, if the story led to POC being part of the narrative then I would gladly include them, or people of different genders / sexual orientation.
I don't believe affirmative action has a place in all areas. In the work place, education etc .... absolutely.
Creativity is not one of those places.
Vote with the your wallet against this game if the representation is not sufficient / to your liking and support those that meet your personal criteria.
Shaming people where it does not belong is a bit strong, as is the racist label.
Yikes, I wonder how did nobody over there realize a lack of diversity this shocking in the main cast in the early stages of this.
And holy shit at some people in here trying to justify this because there's a few poc in the supporting cast.
Oh and another one is the color blindness shit argument some people try to make, yikes.
And holy shit at some people in here trying to justify this because there's a few poc in the supporting cast.
Oh and another one is the color blindness shit argument some people try to make, yikes.
You know there are actual videos coming out weekly of white people harassing minorities for being in a pool, asking for directions, speaking a different language, trying to go into their apartment, babysitting white children and then some.
On one hand, the OP is absolutely right.
On the other, this is the audience at CitizenCon:
I found Charly !!! (well, i think i did)
