He knew what he signed up for. He opened all the gates and isn't dead, he's lucky enough.Gai should be the saltiest man on Earth. Orochimaru is growing motherfuckers in test tubes, yet nobody can fix Gai's legs.
He knew what he signed up for. He opened all the gates and isn't dead, he's lucky enough.Gai should be the saltiest man on Earth. Orochimaru is growing motherfuckers in test tubes, yet nobody can fix Gai's legs.
Sakura has one too but it's very shoddily written like most Naruto character arcs. And by shoddily I mean it makes absolutely no sense. To be fair to Hinata her's is simple enough and focused on entirely one thing so her's makes sense.She has an actual character arc and Sakura doesn't. It's probably that simple.
TIL there's also a naruto character named Izumi...yet another character who's characterization revolves around a male character..:I gotta give it to Izumi she's one of the few characters in anime/manga that are better because of their marriage with a male character, lol. IF she wasn't married her dynamic just wouldn't be the same.
Sakura's revolves entirely around the Sauce, at least Hinata has something else going on in her life. Neither one is super great though, but at least Hinata has some agency in that her actions have consequences on the larger story.Sakura has one too but it's very shoddily written like most Naruto character arcs. And by shoddily I mean it makes absolutely no sense. To be fair to Hinata her's is simple enough and focused on entirely one thing so her's makes sense.
What's funny is how people credit her for the Kayuga fight even though she sat out most of it. That's like crediting Vegeta for Cell, something no one does.Sakura's revolves entirely around the Sauce, at least Hinata has something else going on in her life. Neither one is super great though, but at least Hinata has some agency in that her actions have consequences on the larger story.
Man, she didn't do anything of any importance during that fight. Kakashi practically won that fight solo, in comparison.What's funny is how people credit her for the Kayuga fight even though she sat out most of it. That's like crediting Vegeta for Cell, something no one does.
Isn't that the series of a female Yakuza boss marrying a salary worker and now has to defend him while beating up many men stronger and bigger than her? =OThe only definitive exception that instantly comes to mind is this badass:
She's taking her sweet time. She already has Chun Li's buns, so let her develop the rest of the look. She could've been like Ino and settle for a poor man's Sasuke.
Isn't that the series of a female Yakuza boss marrying a salary worker and now has to defend him while beating up many men stronger and bigger than her? =O
She's taking her sweet time. She already has Chun Li's buns, so let her develop the rest of the look. She could've been like Ino and settle for a poor man's Sasuke.
Full metal?Isn't that the series of a female Yakuza boss marrying a salary worker and now has to defend him while beating up many men stronger and bigger than her? =O
Yeah, she got her ass beat and still went "you ain't shit, you overcompensating bitch".Ya'll can love Rock Lee even though he's a clown that can't win fights for the first...400 chapters or so. I can love Hinata for being brave enough to stand up to Neji.
What the fuck. Where is this fromTIL there's also a naruto character named Izumi...yet another character who's characterization revolves around a male character..:
Ya'll can love Rock Lee even though he's a clown that can't win fights for the first...400 chapters or so. I can love Hinata for being brave enough to stand up to Neji.
Sakura's revolves entirely around the Sauce, at least Hinata has something else going on in her life. Neither one is super great though, but at least Hinata has some agency in that her actions have consequences on the larger story.
Doubt she ever gets anything, author will probably let her die alone or simply not mention her anymore. If we already have panels where she says business is bad then it goes kinda downwards.She's taking her sweet time. She already has Chun Li's buns, so let her develop the rest of the look. She could've been like Ino and settle for a poor man's Sasuke.
Achievements aren't shit. Hinata did things that actually changed the direction of the story. When Pain beat Naruto, she stepped in, lost, and he went 8-tails. Without that moment the entire series takes a different path. Sakura doesn't have anything close to that. Even the stuff in the OP doesn't reach the level of actually affecting and changing the direction of the story, and the one moment that does (the Kaguya one) is definitely an exaggeration. Like 90% of that list is purely background tier shit. You could replace her with a sentient first aid kit or a radio for most of that and nothing would change.To suggest that Hinata has "something else going on" in her life is laughable when she contributed absolutely nothing to the story but cheering on the MC, she got married to him, had his kids and now every time we see her she's knitting or cooking. That's her arc.
Even if Sasuke was omitted from the plot entiely Sakura would still have her achievements.
Seriously, ain't that some shit?
Hell yeah, we can hate everyone else, but damn, not Rock Lee and Maito Gai, so good and carried the underdog appeal of the original series that was betrayed in the sequel series.
His fight losses are still better than most of even shitty fights wins in the series.
Achievements aren't shit. Hinata did things that actually changed the direction of the story. When Pain beat Naruto, she stepped in, lost, and he went 8-tails. Without that moment the entire series takes a different path. Sakura doesn't have anything close to that. Even the stuff in the OP doesn't reach the level of actually affecting and changing the direction of the story, and the one moment that does (the Kaguya one) is definitely an exaggeration. Like 90% of that list is purely background tier shit. You could replace her with a sentient first aid kit or a radio for most of that and nothing would change.
Neither of them are great, but only one of them has actual agency in the larger story and it ain't Sakura.
I saw it on the wiki but I assume it's anime filler.
Yeah, I don't understand where Ten Ten had potential came from. She was introduced and put Temari over and then never did anything ever again besides be Neji's hypeman.Just chiming in to shit on Ten-Ten. Everyone had SOME gimmick, but her's was "I use weapons". She's lame AF, she's never had a "moment" in the entire series whatsoever. My friends and I back in middle-school/high school had an on going joke where we would point out when it was 10:10AM at school and just act useless for a minute.
Some people definitely like her, just no nearly to the degree the OP thinks based on his shipperwar experience.Who likes her? People are largely indifferent to her because she's such a non-character and while she has little going for her, she has little going against her either
You misunderstand, agency in a character works like this:By that logic Kishi could have written in any other character as a crash dummy to get slapped around by pain. Any other medic could have cut him open and saved his life but somehow giving Naruto a pep talk is a totally rare skill that no one else could have done?
Honestly, more potential and interest than OP main character number xy. Never understood what people liked about Sasuke for example. Hidden weapons at least allows for cool, more grounded techniques. Personally I would have loved to see that. =/Just chiming in to shit on Ten-Ten. Everyone had SOME gimmick, but her's was "I use weapons". She's lame AF, she's never had a "moment" in the entire series whatsoever. My friends and I back in middle-school/high school had an on going joke where we would point out when it was 10:10AM at school and just act useless for a minute.
Honestly, by that logic you could probably replace most of the cast with some kind of doll that does x or y. They both could have used more and/or better scenes and development.By that logic Kishi could have written in any other character as a crash dummy to get slapped around by pain. Any other medic could have cut him open and saved his life but somehow giving Naruto a pep talk is a totally rare skill that no one else could have done?
Honestly, more potential and interest than OP main character number xy. Never understood what people liked about Sasuke for example. Hidden weapons at least allows for cool, more grounded techniques. Personally I would have loved to see that. =/
Some powers in general seemed limited or not developed to potential.
Tenten had issues in the fact that in all honesty she is way more of an underdog character than Lee or Naruto were ever built up to be. She was the weapon's expert and was bested by Temari, who also mainly fought with a weapon. She was just an oddity. If you want to talk potential and interest but completely underused was Shino. Would have loved more than a Kankuro fight and a 2 page moment against Tobi, but I feel like Shino and his clan in general was more of a "I made something incredibly broken, how do I fix it? Just not do anything with it!" kinda character
I like Shino, but buddy had bugs crawling all over him at all times, That's fucking disgusting. Less is more with him.Tenten had issues in the fact that in all honesty she is way more of an underdog character than Lee or Naruto were ever built up to be. She was the weapon's expert and was bested by Temari, who also mainly fought with a weapon. She was just an oddity. If you want to talk potential and interest but completely underused was Shino. Would have loved more than a Kankuro fight and a 2 page moment against Tobi, but I feel like Shino and his clan in general was more of a "I made something incredibly broken, how do I fix it? Just not do anything with it!" kinda character
Yeah, I don't understand where Ten Ten had potential came from. She was introduced and put Temari over and then never did anything ever again besides be Neji's hypeman.
Tenten had issues in the fact that in all honesty she is way more of an underdog character than Lee or Naruto were ever built up to be. She was the weapon's expert and was bested by Temari, who also mainly fought with a weapon. She was just an oddity. If you want to talk potential and interest but completely underused was Shino. Would have loved more than a Kankuro fight and a 2 page moment against Tobi, but I feel like Shino and his clan in general was more of a "I made something incredibly broken, how do I fix it? Just not do anything with it!" kinda character
All Uchiha other than Itachi are self-righteous, holier than thou, elitist, selfish, asshats. I think that about covers obito and a couple others that would be made
You misunderstand, agency in a character works like this:
In that moment Hinata takes action to achieve her goal (she likes Naruto but also wants to be more like him) and her action directly causes the story to take a change in direction that it would not have taken otherwise. All of the achievements the OP gives to Sakura have nothing to do with her wants/goals in the series, they're more general actions that could be taken by anyone else and have nothing to do with her specifically (as a character). Sakura, on the other hand, never really takes direct action to achieve her goal (bringing Sauske home).
- does this character have a want or a goal they want to achieve?
- do they take action to achieve that goal?
- does that action they take directly cause the story to take a change in direction?
Like, neither of them are good characters, but one clearly has agency while the other does not.
I have no idea what you're talking about. There is nothing but happiness in narutos childhood especially when swings are involvedI'm talking about when he was younger than that. We saw so many flashbacks of Naruto being shunned it was overdone lol.
Should have just written some kind of drawback into the symbiotic insects to make it less OP. Though I am not sure how his entire powers are currently.It says a lot that the two times we explicitly see Shino fight in the Boruto anime, they have to come up with plot justifications to nerf him. Against most opponents, he'd be really broken.
You don't like it, I found it cool that he has insects living in his body in some kind of symbiotic connection. The potential is great but it can be so op with shutting down chakra, etc. .I like Shino, but buddy had bugs crawling all over him at all times, That's fucking disgusting. Less is more with him.
I like Shino, but buddy had bugs crawling all over him at all times, That's fucking disgusting. Less is more with him.
Would you let him in your house tho? Would you let him hold your dog?Should have just written some kind of drawback into the symbiotic insects to make it less OP. Though I am not sure how his entire powers are currently.
Just brainstorming, but let Ten Ten have a fight with him, she uses no chakra, slashes all insects down and counters most of his abilities. Could maybe be interesting... . =x
You don't like it, I found it cool that he has insects living in his body in some kind of symbiotic connection. The potential is great but it can be so op with shutting down chakra, etc. .
And imagine how bad Kiba smells.I'm just saying, there's a reason no one ever invites Shino's clan to the cookouts
Again, done by anyone else doesn't matter. It matters that she did it and things changed as a result. She had a goal, took action to achieve that goal, and that action directly affected the direction of the story. Sakura never did, even getting stronger (which everyone did) only indirectly affects the story.I'd say wanting to become stronger, training with Tsunade and the things she did as a result of that training affect the story. I don't really see bringing Sasuke back as a goal anyone really set out to achieve, it was something some of the konoha 11 wanted to do but they didn't aggressively pursue it. Even though Naruto was obsessed with Sasuke and wanted to make him return he didn't set aside his responsibilities to chase him. There's nothing Hinata does in relation to Naruto that couldn't have been done by almost anyone else.
The reason Shino has so little screentime is likely due to just how insanely overpowered his clan is, it's like the destructo disk of the naruto series.Shino is trash. A competent fighter would have no problems taking him on.