Lol if you not used to washing yourself after having a piss or shit then I'm assuming you get use to that level of hygiene.
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Iceland male circumcision ban: 'Growing anger from religious communities'
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Lol if you not used to washing yourself after having a piss or shit then I'm assuming you get use to that level of hygiene.
At my work place we have a jug and tap so it's cool. I work for a bank head office we Muslims have good facilities like prayer room and a toilet with tap and jug.
Most of them won't either.
Let's be honest, jews are doing it so it will never get banned in Germany.
Then why not leave it until they are older?
Seems parents who do it to their young children do it through fear of a tradition not carrying on.
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Up next, why have I got haemorrhoids from holding in shits constantly?
Brand the child like us, for we must make them one of us. A bit meh when it's splashing water on a baby/child's head without asking them, far more serious when it's taking a knife to their genitals.
Don't read maliciousness into my post. I did not compare it to having your spine ripped out from your body, I simply called it exactly what it is. A procedure that permanently alters the body.
I would like to point your attention to this post, that I agree completely with:
So: Being circumcised, or having another body-altering procedure performed for non-medical reasons, should be the choice of the individual. That is my stance.
Cause it's less painful when you are an infant. My nephew had it done recently. He cried once it was done. Hour later he's back to normal. Also who cares when we want to do it. Maybe some of us prefer to be cleaner at a younger age. It's easier to wash you private parts when it is circumsized as well. It is a Muslim tradition to wash yourself everytime you have a piss or shit.
I'll say it again
I know so many Muslims including myself who have been circumsized at a young age. We are okay with it. It seems people who haven't had it done the most are annoyed at this which I find hilarious
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No idea I havent got a a child myself. So far all my nephew's have had it done in the past 10 years when they were infants. That's about 8 people in my immediate family. There the recent ones, and of viruses if you include the rest of my immediate family like me and the older generation. None of have had any issues. In fact we are all happy we are circumsized.
enlighten me, how is it easier to clean your dick? You make it seem like washing an uncut dick is an difficult task.... you wash your dick the same way, cut or not cut, there's no difference dude!
But nevermind that, you should read more reaction in the thread, what do you do about people who are not happy that their parents did that? Not every jew or muslim decide to follow their religion later in their life
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Not every Jew or Muslim believes they need a cut penis in order to be practising in their faith. It's where logic clashes with tradition. As a grown adult everyone has to ask themselves why would a God care if a babies penis was cut with a knife? How does that make you a better person? How does it make you have some "VIP" access to being a "true believer"?
It's one of the most ridiculous traditions parents seem to get bloodlust over, instead of simply letting their own children they've carried and brought into this world make their own decision about irreversible surgery when they reach adulthood.
Time will not remember this practice well, as is seen by global rates dropping with circumcision, even in America.
you pull the foreskin back and voila washing it is the same as if it were circumcised. there is no difficulty to it, the hygiene argument doesn't have any merit.
People are annoyed because it's an irreversible unnecessary medical procedure and the child has no say in the matter but. By those two points alone it's clearly an immoral act.
Exactly, and not knowing anyone like that personally is a terrible argument. It is asinine to assume that whatever hundreds of acquaintances one has could possibly represent all of the billions of people on earth.
Hah! My old boss had them and he'd constantly bitch about it. Someone stole his donut once and he had a meltdown. Shit was hilarious.
Yup. It might have made sense once upon a time (even that is questionable), but It's a long outdated religious practice that doesn't serve any real purpose.
I had mine done late (medical reason) and while it does hurt, the pain isn't that bad. The sensitivity is an issue, but again, if pain is the main reason to do it when they are young and can't make an informed decision, that's as poor reasoning as saying it's tradition.
The percentage of Muslims and Jews not following their parents religion is low. The percentage of those muslims and jews who don't follow their parents religion that are unsatisfied with having a circumsized penis and are regretful probably not that high as well. And the ones who are annoyed that they are circumsized, I guess I get where they are coming from but luckily in my family and friends this hasn't happened to none of us. Id just say circumsizion isn't a huge deal first of all it's not like a massive tattoo on your face. It's not a pain you deal with. I think most people can get over it.
But like I said everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But me and my circle of friends and family are happy with it and I'm glad it's not a ban in the UK so I'm good. There are many things I don't agree with such as 5he hygiene if toilets no access to a jug and tap in every toilet. Teaching the population that cleaning your private parts with water when taking a shit or piss is something I don't understand here in the UK. But it's okay it's a different culture you don't seem me going out making a thread about it or telling everyone there are not hygienic. I just deal with it and make sure my kids will learn what hygiene is. You need to understand there are different cultures and not everyone is the same as you. It might seem alien to you but that's just how it is.
Precisely, pulling back foresking takes fractions of a second. It's on the about same level of complexity as pulling up your sleeves to wash your hands.
Yes they are. We are all entitled to our own opinions and choices. That includes being circumcised.
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The sensitivity is a bitch afterwards. I guess like me you couldn't walk properly for a while lol.
The thing is, unless you had it cut as an adult (or at least a teenager), you don't have a comparison point.
You simply don't know what it is to have foreskin. So you like being cut because that's all you know.
And yes, those of us who are uncut also don't know how it is to be cut. But at least whe know it's not the hassle many imagine it to be and that losing the foreskin would mean losing a bunch of sensations.
Cool like I said lucky you opinion doesn't affect the law in the UK
I'd also like to mention. The percentage of Muslims leaving the religion is low. In comparison to say Christianity. For example in my town the mosques are more busier than ever. So the Muslim population is growing. I think the issues of unsatisfied Muslims (well non Muslims after leaving the religion) with a circumsized penis is rather low.
So fuck them, at least it saved a bigger number of people the discomfort of doing it latter in their life.
Oh man, shit was rough for a good few weeks. The first week was the worst, I couldn't stand anything touching it and not getting erections was a tough time when my girlfriend at the time decided to be a dick and take pleasure from teasing me.
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I wish we'd see more of this kind of thing but coming from the religions themselves, I feel all it will make them do is put up their guard and do it any way, but in worse conditions, endangering the health and lives of the children.
All these silly rules religions have like not eating certain foods and such. The Universe is so inconceivably huge and full of wonders we haven't even imagined yet - but we think the entity that created it all gives a shit whether we eat one mammal and not the other, bow our heads so many times a day or that we slice off pieces of our childrens genitals off? I mean what sick bastard came up with that one?
Genital mutilation of both sexes for religious reasons is disgusting and abhorrent. "Because religion sez so" should no longer be the sole acceptable reason for anything.
All these silly rules religions have like not eating certain foods and such. The Universe is so inconceivably huge and full of wonders we haven't even imagined yet - but we think the entity that created it all gives a shit whether we eat one mammal and not the other, bow our heads so many times a day or that we slice off pieces of our childrens genitals off? I mean what sick bastard came up with that one?
Genital mutilation of both sexes for religious reasons is disgusting and abhorrent. "Because religion sez so" should no longer be the sole acceptable reason for anything.
Is this allowed in this forum. I thought this forum has a mix of atheist, Christians, Muslims etc. We are allowed to disagree as long as we are not offensive. Some things are best kept to yourselves. I don't agree with alot of stuff but I still try to be respectful. So just trying to get this straight, are we allowed to make offensive remarks about other religious groups in this forum just wanna know the rules that's all?
How many have to complain before you see a problem? Or are you saying everyone who has ever had it done is happy it was done?
Anyone pushing for baby circumcision in 2018 (excluding legit medical cases) is a fucking monster that should have their baby taken away from them.
Everyone I know are happy. All my friends and family and community in the my area. Being a grown adult and having it done probably be more painful just look at one of the above posters lol.
You find it hilarious that I'm happy that this wasn't done to me at a young age before I had time to codify and form my beliefs ?
If it's hygenic from a pure medical perspective let's do it for the entire male populace then. Or offer and promote its benefits.
See no reason it should be allowed to kept being done due to religious reasons before someone had grown up . (Note as I said if it's much safer and hygenic as young ppl then promote it for the whole
Populace )
A person who has only ever had experience of one particular way of having something is obviously going to be fine with it. They know nothing else. It's indoctrination, the only way religions can function.
I guess I need to inform my sister she needs her baby taken away. I should have been taken away from my parents too damn it.
What part did you find offensive? I'm happy to expound. My general point was - religion is a personal choice, and should not be the sole reason for political, medical, social etc policies.
Time to let your kid choose their own belief.
Well unfortunately then I think it's the religion as a whole people disagree with in this forum
In Islam you meant to raise your kids as Muslims it's a actual rule in Islam.
I can sort of understand older generations falling for religious/traditional nonsense. But we're far too educated today to advocate literal mutilation of babies.
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bow our heads so many times a day or that we slice off pieces of our childrens genitals off? I mean what sick bastard came up with that one?
It's cool that's your opinion. But you can simply say you don't agree with this religion due to these reasons. But let me tell you if you went into a conversation with a Muslim. And you stated what sick bastard came up with that. Do you not think that is being offensive. Fair enough if you think it's sick but you don't go out and say what sick bastard came up with that. As God came up with that, which you are implying god is a sick bastard.
I plan on if I have kids . I'm not going to impose my views on them just like while parts of my family was religious they allowed me the freedom to decide . Something I am very grateful for . Plus this line of argument on religion can be taken to extremes .
So do you agree my brother's and sisters should have their kids taken away from them they did in in the last 5 to 6 years to their kids. Do you think they need their kids taken away from them?
You didn't answer my questions. There are people - in this thread I believe - who wish it hadn't been done to them.
How many have to complain before you see a problem? Or do you believe everyone who has ever had it done is happy it was done?
Yep, compounded by the fact it was family that had it done to them.
I mean, you can personalize hypotheticals if you choose, but sorry, yeah if you abuse and mutilate a child, I don't think you still deserve to be a parent.
I didn't initiall see the highlight, sorry. The "sick bastard" comment was directed only at the circumcision example and I think you know that because you left off the other example I gave about food restrictions. I tried to make my comment as generally about religion as possible - many religions have praying practices, food restrictions and Islam is not the only religion that practices circumcision. Again, my comment was not directed any one religion, but them all as a general concept.
As for your god coming up with circumcision - that is your opinion and belief. I don't believe in your god.
Lol well I'm glad you don't make the rules in this country
By the way my brother's kids are high achievers at their schools. Won many awards etc. He takes parenting extremely serious, private tuition, good education. Actual parenting and not just leaving them in a nursery. He's mortgage free and has invested alot of money into their future as well. But I guess he doesn't deserve to be a parent cause he circumsized his boys early on.
So in you ruling what would you do you would take his kids away. Who would take care of his kids. Would you put them in a foster home. Or up for adoption. What about a scenario where his kids cry for their dad and don't want to be removed form their parents. Would you forcibly removed his kids?
I really don't understand how god can supposedly have given us foreskins, but then been really keen on us cutting them off.
So you think in a conversation this won't offend relgious people. There is words you can use are better such s I don't agree with this and that. Or keep some stuff to yourself.
Do you think your siblings would circumcise their kids if it were illegal and punishable with prison time?
Do you think more than 2 billion of the population in the world should be sent to prison?