In Latin America, a Biden White House faces a rising China
Donald Trump was clear with Latin America during his four-year administration: don't do business with China. The message failed to hit home.
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In Latin America, a Biden White House faces a rising China
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Well as much as america has fucked over Latin America it was only a matter of time, every time a Latin American country didn't do what American business needed or wanted they got an intervention and it was bs. American news media etc always go on and on about how bad socialism is and how socialist governments never work, but never mention the level the usa goes to in order to force that outcome, they'll try military methods, they'll fund a rebellion etc and if all that fails they'll cut you off from the world economy to make your state fail so they can continue to claim that American capitalism is the only effective method of government. I saw an old video the other day on an hasan clip where a former CIA head talked about how when Cuba was gonna give all it's people healthcare for cheap and socialised that's when the CIA needed to step in because they couldn't allow Cuba to show the world that a country considered poor by many standards could supply healthcare to all it's people for so cheap and prove how the American way wasn't the only option for government. It's disgusting that Latin American has faced constant fuckery from the usa and all major world powers the same way the Middle East has. It also sucks that won't change much because China will be using them to push it's awful views on the world stage, Latin America can't ever catch a break.
Y'all, please don't think I'm doom posting, but I have a gut feeling we're going to end up in an armed conflict with China before the end of the decade.
It's modern-day imperialism in action. China buys up so much influence in other countries that they don't "officially" have to take over the government to control a country. Rinse and repeat until they take over the world under our noses.
This is why I'm predicting conflict will happen. This plus slave labor plus repressed Hong Kong citizens...
The US barely invest in our infrastructure lol. I'm no fan of the CCP, but we deserve this. The Federal Government is broken.
We lost a ton of good people in the State Department to the buffoonery and idiocy of this administration, and both our interference in the affairs of and indifference to the plight of Latin American countries has not exactly left them with many viable options.
I mean, Honduras just got flattened by two hurricanes and there has not been a single peep out of our leaders. If China offers them a hand, even if that hand comes with conditions, they'll probably take it.
I mean, Honduras just got flattened by two hurricanes and there has not been a single peep out of our leaders. If China offers them a hand, even if that hand comes with conditions, they'll probably take it.
I mean I get you, but I just hope it dfoesn't come back to bite the people in Latin America in the arse. Hopefully this is good for them.
I don't like the framing of "us" deserving this. Even if every person is totally responsible for their vote and not being manipulated in some way, a lot of us tried to change this.
It's just long term pillaging. You give loans to these less well off countries for goods and interest. There's large stretches of road China built in the Democratic Republic of Congo that was never finished wasn't there?
I agree. But the US system needs massive changes beyond eletoral politics. Neoliberalism is a scrounge.
I mean on one hand you have an autocratic dictatorship-for-life like country that you can predict, and on the other you have a country where the leadership and attitudes change once every four to eight years (plus the added bonus of maybe invading and overthrowing your own country if they don't like you). Like neither one is ideal, but a stable government partner, regardless of the atrocities it may perpetuate on its own citizens, is probably the safer of the two choices.
It's not exactly like the US was a great partner throughout history, and given how unpredictable our international, diplomatic ties are...
It's not exactly like the US was a great partner throughout history, and given how unpredictable our international, diplomatic ties are...
I feel paranoid about any foreign investment in Argentina. It's a desperate time right now, so the country needs any help they can get. But there will come a time when greener pastures arise for China and then Argentina will be left out to dry... Again.
At least Argentina right now provides some key exports, so it will be a while before China moves to someone else.
And that is why none of these countries should trust the US.
At least Argentina right now provides some key exports, so it will be a while before China moves to someone else.
Let's be honest, you can predict the US on what matters.
And that is why none of these countries should trust the US.
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They don't.
I can already tell you that. No foreign country cares what happens in their vassal countries/trading partners as long as it doesn't disrupt the economic benefits.
Well, that's what I hope. If they invest enough, perhaps there's a chance that they actually want a more stable situation for the sake of better trades. So far most developed countries only invest superficially in Latin America.
Well.
On my region the US is known for supporting coups and trying to install a non-democratic "president".
China just came by and said "you guys need a new bridge there?"
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The only way that'll actually try to make the street "safe" is if they have plan to send people over, or make it a tourist destination, and even then, I'm not sure if you would like China's way of "protecting" street with police and other with smart phone or smart glasses that connect to a central system.
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Fuckwits on both sides are spoiling for it to occur, so it just might.
China is basically unregulated late-stage capitalism disguised as "socialism" because of their association with the USSR in the past.
I mean you are. Neither country has a desire for conflict with each other despite the tensions over economic and political interests. If anything China's expansion into the South China Sea is what'd cause conflict, not a bunch of trains and power plants.
Yeah it's just Silk Road 2.0 but in South and Centeral America. Same strategy China is doing in Africa and Asia.
Rule of thumb for all: don't trust imperialist capitalist countries. That includes China.
That said, it's obvious why Latin American would switch to China over the USA. And for reasons that won't fit this thread nor this forum. Hell, you can get a specialized doctorate just focusing on the evil that the USA has done to Central and South America in just the last 60 years.
China is also looking way more dependable when it comes to climate change compared to the USA, which is going to be THE topic going forward for the rest of our lives, especially if you're living in the hotzones right now (so South and Central America basically).
That said, it's obvious why Latin American would switch to China over the USA. And for reasons that won't fit this thread nor this forum. Hell, you can get a specialized doctorate just focusing on the evil that the USA has done to Central and South America in just the last 60 years.
China is also looking way more dependable when it comes to climate change compared to the USA, which is going to be THE topic going forward for the rest of our lives, especially if you're living in the hotzones right now (so South and Central America basically).
Basically stop fighting leftists in other nations just because they're Socialist (or Socialist leaning), and stop supporting/installing violent right wing regimes. It's a simple concept, wouldn't drive South American nations into the arms of hostile powers, would result in a stronger and healthier relationship with many of those countries, and would be far less likely to bite us in the ass down the line.
Yep that does make a lot of difference. When was the last time the US didn't think of the rest of america as its "backyard" where it could do as it pleases? Don't think you can take more than 20 countries for granted and also don't take for granted that we would like you being the hegemonic power you are. Remember the FTAA? We killed that shit, basically because we can't trust the US. OAS also has a deep trust problem in the region as well. There are many other regional organizations and guess what, they are usually created without the US, because the main reason they are created is to try and protect us from US influence.
I mean, its not like it was good before. The region is basically gambling that it can't go worse than it already is, we already have our arses bitten from the previous shenanigans.
I mean, maybe you can say that about many things, but not so much about how US treats Latin America. It has been pretty consistent in that matter. And republicans and democrats don't give a shit about the region.
Okay fair enough. I suppose what I mean is, although neither China nor the US are ideal for Latin America, one is the lesser of two evils for Latin America for now. As in, one doesn't have a history of coups and overthrowing countries and all that.
Though TBH I mean ionno if I'd say definitively that China would never do that to a Latin American country. Maybe they would if it was beneficial. I hope not.
It comes with certain terms. Latin America can never say anything negative against China ever. No matter how messed up it is. China is always right in whatever regard. Thats the message they put out there.
There may be a reason for that, considering those same leaders were involved in the coup 11 years ago under the Obama adminstration.
This article is just further fear-mongering in steps toward the eventual conflict between the U.S. and China. While their investments should be scrutinized, the massive level of difference between their activity vs the evident US neocolonialism in the area makes it an uneven comparison.
I'm admittedly ignorant of what the difference in activity is. To me, it feels like the same thing in terms of it being a type of colonialism/imperialism. I am genuinely curious why you feel it's an uneven comparison.
Because one approach involves installing dictators who throw dissidents out of helicopters, and the other involves a rich country using its stronger negotiating hand to invest in Latin America in ways that are favourable to itself. Everyone wanted China to be capitalist and now they got it.
This is essentially the same strategy they're using in Africa as well. I've read how while it might seem helpful on the surface it causes major issues for the local economy and local banks/workers.
Honestly, as shady as it is, it's probably preferable to the US' strategy of installing leaders and helping incite coups soo 🤷🏽♂️ it's hard to comment one way or another
I mean, I agree with you. It isn't ideal to rely solely on a superpower giving you money as if they had no imperialistic selfinterest in the matter. However, there are some differences. The US has been doing this shit for decades and the results are clear as day in the region. China is not at the same stage of influence as the US, which means that there is at least some leeway in which countries can get a bit more out of those deals. As others have pointed out here, China is sending funds to some very needed infrastructure and it's not because there were no alternatives. The IDB is one of the biggest banks in the world and it was created to aid latin america with much needed funding. Now why would countries go to China instead of the american-led IDB? Because their deals were better, economically and politically.
I mean, as long as they don't coup a government I guess there's a pretty big difference. Coups are not another word for switching the government peacefully for a more liberal and human rights abiding governments. Thousands if not millions of people died due to these coups, a lot more were tortured and a whole lot more had their futures taken from them. No coup government has its people best interest in mind, a lot of the shit we have to deal with today is also a part of the legacy of non-democratically elected governments. I'm not saying we always elect the best people, heck no country does. But at least we could wholeheartedly be blamed for our own shit. Also I'm pretty aware that China will eventually influence our government. But again, one is in the future, the other is a constant thing in our shared history.