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Iran launches drones and missiles towards Israel (Situation developing) [READ STAFF POST AND TRB]
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Edit: more updated article saying 3 drones were shot down and that's it.
That is one way to put it. At least on the media side seems they were instructed to not escalate rhetoric wise.
yeah seems iran thought isreal would let the attack slide, when they relized that wouldnt be the case, they are choosing to back down, than get in to a fight they cant win.
One missile hitting an airbase is something they can easily pretend didn't happen. If it was on the scale of their own attack, there's no way they would let it slide.
yeah seems isreal got the point across, and the right move by iran to back down.
This. and I am not sure if Isreal is willing to deescalate. in my opinion, they are looking for reasons to hit the nuclear bases of iran. I also dont understand why this response was so tame, it was the perfect oppertunity for them to take out the nuke facilities.
Because the whole world was telling them no, it's the only reason there wasn't a massive response.
April 19, 2024 5:50 AM EDT:
Reuters: Tehran plays down Israeli attacks, signals no further retaliation
Reuters: Tehran plays down Israeli attacks, signals no further retaliation
DUBAI/JERUSALEM, April 19 (Reuters) - Explosions echoed over an Iranian city on Friday in what sources described as an Israeli attack, but Tehran played down the incident and indicated it had no plans for retaliation - a response that appeared gauged towards averting region-wide war.
The limited scale of the attack and Iran's muted response both appeared to signal a successful effort by diplomats who have been working round the clock to avert all-out war since an Iranian drone and missile attack on Israel last Saturday.
Iranian media and officials described a small number of explosions, which they said resulted from Iran's air defences hitting three drones over the city of Isfahan. Notably, they referred to the incident as an attack by "infiltrators", rather than by Israel, obviating the need for retaliation.
An Iranian official told Reuters there were no plans to respond against Israel for the incident.
"The foreign source of the incident has not been confirmed. We have not received any external attack, and the discussion leans more towards infiltration than attack," the official said.
Israel said nothing about the incident. It had said for days it was planning to retaliate against Iran for Saturday's strikes, the first ever direct attack on Israel by Iran in decades of shadow war waged by proxies which has escalated throughout the Middle East through six months of battle in Gaza.
The two longstanding foes had been heading towards direct confrontation since a presumed Israeli airstrike on April 1 that destroyed a building in Iran's embassy compound in Damascus and killed several Iranian officers including a top general.
Iran's response, with a direct attack on Israel, was unprecedented but caused no deaths and only minor damage because Israel and its allies shot down hundreds of missiles and drones.
Allies including the United States had since been pressing hard to ensure any further retaliation would be calibrated not to provoke a spiral of hostilities. The British and German foreign ministers visited Jerusalem this week, and Western countries tightened sanctions on Iran to mollify Israel.
In a sign of pressure within Israel's hard-right government for a stronger response, Itamar Ben Gvir, the far-right national security minister tweeted a single word after Friday's strikes: "Feeble!".
Countries around the world called on Friday for both sides to avert further escalation.
"It is absolutely necessary that the region remains stable and that all sides restrain from further action," EU Commission head Ursula von der Leyen said. Similar calls came from Beijing and from Arab states in the region.
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Within Iran, news reports on Friday's incident made no mention of Israel, and state television carried analysts and pundits who appeared dismissive about the scale.
An analyst told state TV that mini drones flown by "infiltrators from inside Iran" had been shot down by air defences in Isfahan.
Shortly after midnight, "three drones were observed in the sky over Isfahan. The air defense system became active and destroyed these drones in the sky," Iranian state TV said.
Senior army commander Siavosh Mihandoust was quoted by state TV as saying air defense systems had targeted a "suspicious object".
Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi had warned Israel before Friday's strike that Tehran would deliver a "severe response" to any attack on its territory.
Iran told the United Nations Security Council on Thursday that Israel "must be compelled to stop any further military adventurism against our interests" as the U.N. secretary-general warned that the Middle East was in a "moment of maximum peril".
By morning, Iran had reopened airports and airspace that were shut during the strikes.
The limited scale of the attack and Iran's muted response both appeared to signal a successful effort by diplomats who have been working round the clock to avert all-out war since an Iranian drone and missile attack on Israel last Saturday.
Iranian media and officials described a small number of explosions, which they said resulted from Iran's air defences hitting three drones over the city of Isfahan. Notably, they referred to the incident as an attack by "infiltrators", rather than by Israel, obviating the need for retaliation.
An Iranian official told Reuters there were no plans to respond against Israel for the incident.
"The foreign source of the incident has not been confirmed. We have not received any external attack, and the discussion leans more towards infiltration than attack," the official said.
Israel said nothing about the incident. It had said for days it was planning to retaliate against Iran for Saturday's strikes, the first ever direct attack on Israel by Iran in decades of shadow war waged by proxies which has escalated throughout the Middle East through six months of battle in Gaza.
The two longstanding foes had been heading towards direct confrontation since a presumed Israeli airstrike on April 1 that destroyed a building in Iran's embassy compound in Damascus and killed several Iranian officers including a top general.
Iran's response, with a direct attack on Israel, was unprecedented but caused no deaths and only minor damage because Israel and its allies shot down hundreds of missiles and drones.
Allies including the United States had since been pressing hard to ensure any further retaliation would be calibrated not to provoke a spiral of hostilities. The British and German foreign ministers visited Jerusalem this week, and Western countries tightened sanctions on Iran to mollify Israel.
In a sign of pressure within Israel's hard-right government for a stronger response, Itamar Ben Gvir, the far-right national security minister tweeted a single word after Friday's strikes: "Feeble!".
Countries around the world called on Friday for both sides to avert further escalation.
"It is absolutely necessary that the region remains stable and that all sides restrain from further action," EU Commission head Ursula von der Leyen said. Similar calls came from Beijing and from Arab states in the region.
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Within Iran, news reports on Friday's incident made no mention of Israel, and state television carried analysts and pundits who appeared dismissive about the scale.
An analyst told state TV that mini drones flown by "infiltrators from inside Iran" had been shot down by air defences in Isfahan.
Shortly after midnight, "three drones were observed in the sky over Isfahan. The air defense system became active and destroyed these drones in the sky," Iranian state TV said.
Senior army commander Siavosh Mihandoust was quoted by state TV as saying air defense systems had targeted a "suspicious object".
Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi had warned Israel before Friday's strike that Tehran would deliver a "severe response" to any attack on its territory.
Iran told the United Nations Security Council on Thursday that Israel "must be compelled to stop any further military adventurism against our interests" as the U.N. secretary-general warned that the Middle East was in a "moment of maximum peril".
By morning, Iran had reopened airports and airspace that were shut during the strikes.
Thankfully this looks contained. Israel won't talk about it publicly. Iran is downplaying it.
Hey yeah an all out regional war would've been so exciting for live posting in ERA! Why didn't they think of that
Apprently Bibi gave Biden a choice. Either Israel continues strikes against Iran or Israel gets to continue genocide of Palestinians by resuming siege of Rafah.
Continued crimes against humanity and genocide of Palestinians was chosen.
One of several sources carrying this story; https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...or-not-carrying-out-large-iran-strike-report/
This has been disputed by multiple news agencies. There's no clear source and US officials deny it.
Reuters and Axios both say the report is wrong.
As a Iranian, I just want this regime gone. I dont care about live posting on era.
It could be wrong sure, but "US officials" is pretty much last source to trust at face value when it comes to Israel, Gaza and Iran. Past six months has really shown that.
The only source for the current reporting seems to be a chain from Egypt to Qatar to reporters with no clear point of origin.
I see no reason to believe it when multiple media agencies are denying it and went to their own sources for clarity.
Say what you will of how US Officials report on stuff but at least they are a defined source. Just wait for more reporting (if the Rafah stuff is true, you'd get a lot more reporting on it in the coming days) before making grand claims on how this is going about because in so far, this doesn't seem like a move from an ultimatum. This seems like what the entire world was asking from Israel, a very restrained response.
I mean, the chances of Biden actually demanding that Israel not retaliate in any way for the Iranian drone attack is pretty much nil.
The report can still turn out true if this attack is all they'll do, and that's what the US has gotten out of them in exchange for providing cover for the Rafah operation.
Egypt would know. They'd either been asked to take in fleeing Palestinians with a side of a big fat bribe to Sisi, or worse, to take part by continuing to close the crossing and provide cover as the IDF assaults the 1M+ refugees pressed against the Egyptian border at Rafah.
Either way, once again the Biden administration fails yet another foreign policy test. Purely for selfish reasons with the upcoming election, you'd hope Biden would finally pull the levers to end this war early enough that the under-informed won't still think about it come November. Yet if Netanyahu launches yet another attack on an Iranian target, and yes it's still very possible, we'll be back to where we started here.
Which tells you this is easier said than done, because if it was as easy as to pull some levers, those levers would've been pulled already.
Heck, for all we know all the levers that were available to pull have been pulled , and that's why the escalation seemed to have stopped.
Probably for the best. Iran is thumping it's chest and saying nothing happened, and other nations are playing along.
If this is how they resolve it, then that will be for the best.
Please, we don't need to bring conspiracy into this.
In fact I can refute your claim very easily. Irans attack was told to the public well ahead of time. So much so in fact that most people should have known about it. (The public at large)
Here I'll do another one, albeit unrelated. Russian was planning to invade Ukraine and our intelligence agencies warned of an impending attack. That attack then happened. This was like a week before it even happened that they warned people.
Acting like the US intelligence/"US Officials" are not to be trusted is some far right territory stuff. Yes, don't FULLY trust them, there is room for human error, error in general and they don't have the best histories in some aspects. But just blatantly and nonsensically saying "US Officials" idk what or who you are referring to even? Like there was warning about the Iran attack. Heck there has been reporting that the US warned Israel about October 7th.
So let's knock off the adjacent conspiracy talk please?
I don't agree. If Biden can get Bibi to show restraint here, that means it was easy to do and he clearly hasn't done it in Gaza.
Not only that, we there are are still levers to pull such as not longer shipping arms to Israel.
The levers haven't been pulled because it'd be counter to Biden's ideology.
Iran hit a six year high on oil exports….and it all pretty much went to China. Iran knows how to evade sanctions. The question becomes how do you go after China.
Just because you can make Bibi show some restrain in Iran doesn't mean that first, is easy to do, and second, it's easily accomplished in Gaza. Those axioms are not true.
It wasn't easy to do in Iran and exponentially so in Gaza.
Sorry but too me that makes no sense, Biden would be elated if he could stop all the Israelian attacks because his first priority is to make it to the White House.
You'd think he'd sacrifice his political future to make Bibi happy? Again, makes no sense at all.
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Either way, once again the Biden administration fails yet another foreign policy test. Purely for selfish reasons with the upcoming election, you'd hope Biden would finally pull the levers to end this war early enough that the under-informed won't still think about it come November. Yet if Netanyahu launches yet another attack on an Iranian target, and yes it's still very possible, we'll be back to where we started here.
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DJT is going to run as the "peace" candidate and it's going to very hard for Biden to refute that. He has impotently stood by while Israel escalates violence throughout the region.
Either way, once again the Biden administration fails yet another foreign policy test. Purely for selfish reasons with the upcoming election, you'd hope Biden would finally pull the levers to end this war early enough that the under-informed won't still think about it come November. Yet if Netanyahu launches yet another attack on an Iranian target, and yes it's still very possible, we'll be back to where we started here.
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DJT is going to run as the "peace" candidate and it's going to very hard for Biden to refute that. He has impotently stood by while Israel escalates violence throughout the region.
bibi has an additional outside lever in the form of iran being able to functionally fight back
he doesn't have that issue when it comes to genociding gazans
It makes no sense, yet it's exactly what happened and what's happening. Biden can literally tell Netanyahu to stop. Just like that. It's exactly what Reagan did in 82. At the very least Biden can cut, withhold or threaten to withhold aid. He doesn't even need Congress for this. Gallant has said so.
What you're saying paints a politically rational Biden, and everyone would like that, but it is simply counterfactual.
Honestly Bibi doesn't even seem the most bloodthirsty here:
www.cnn.com
The government is personally calling out the opposition party leader for posting "lame" on Twitter following the attack, after having previously said that Israel should "go crazy" so everyone in the region knows never to mess with them.
Live updates: Israel launches strike on Iran, US official says
Israel has carried out a strike inside Iran, according to a US official. Follow for live updates.
The government is personally calling out the opposition party leader for posting "lame" on Twitter following the attack, after having previously said that Israel should "go crazy" so everyone in the region knows never to mess with them.
That seems to be the case though the official/mfa position might not be the IRGC position so we'll have to wait and see until someone from IRGC comments.
It makes no sense that "The levers haven't been pulled because it'd be counter to Biden's ideology".
I heard a couple days ago that there isn't much of a point in launching strikes on their nuclear facilities anymore, because the program has proceeded so far already and in order to cause meaningful setbacks, the scale of the attack would have to be truly massive (at which point it might as well be open war). Targeting the nuclear facilities with smaller strikes would probably only serve as an excuse for Iran to build the bomb after all.
What you're struggling to understand is that stopping "the Israeli attack" in the abstract is not a first priority. To Biden, Israel must come out triumphant based on certain criteria that have not been met (and in fact cannot be met), which take precedent over everything else. He's ideologically opposed to even the mere appearance of coming short to full unwavering support for Israel. And no matter what the polls say, he believes what he's doing is the right thing to do.
If the US threatened cutting off weapons and ammo if Israel doesn't implement a ceasefire, you'll have a ceasefire the next day. We know this. We also know that Israel can't defend itself on its own and need the US and their allies mobilizing to stop a direct attack. Netanyahu might whine over such decisions, but no one is gonna side with him defying the US besides Smottrich and Ben Givr.
Yeah talk about handing an easy winning argument there. Trump can even claim that even before Oct 7th, the only thing Biden was doing was try to copy his Abraham accords in bringing in Saudi Arabia with the unhinged possibility of giving them a nuclear program in exchange, and he couldn't even get the deal done.
Exactly.
I don't think so. I think he has a stronger allegiance to the strategic future Israel represents (or what he think it represents) than gloryhounding over a political future that is merely a feather in the cap of a decades long political history. You're not thinking long term here. Biden has been doing this for a while.
Supposedly only three missiles were fired and the target was a radar as assumed:
abcnews.go.com
Israel-Gaza live updates: Israelis fired 3 missiles in limited strike
Six months after Hamas terrorists invaded Israel on Oct. 7, the Israeli military continues its bombardment of the neighboring Gaza Strip.
abcnews.go.com
This is not true.Honestly Bibi doesn't even seem the most bloodthirsty here:
Live updates: Israel launches strike on Iran, US official says
Israel has carried out a strike inside Iran, according to a US official. Follow for live updates.
The government is personally calling out the opposition party leader for posting "lame" on Twitter following the attack, after having previously said that Israel should "go crazy" so everyone in the region knows never to mess with them.
The opposition leader called out the minister of national security for tweeting "lame" hours after Israel's attack in Iran, saying it hurts Israel's image or something. Said minister (Ben Gvir) is the one who said it needs to go crazy, and he's a known far right psycho in Israel who unfortunately gets too many votes these last few years
This makes me sad. If Iran gets nukes, the people will never be free from this regime, just horrible..
That makes perfect sense because Biden's ideology is that Israel can do whatever it wants and Biden won't stop providing them weapons ever.
About as restrained a response as we were ever going to get out of the current Israeli government.Supposedly only three missiles were fired and the target was a radar as assumed:
Israel-Gaza live updates: Israelis fired 3 missiles in limited strike
Six months after Hamas terrorists invaded Israel on Oct. 7, the Israeli military continues its bombardment of the neighboring Gaza Strip.
Whats Iran getting nukes have to do with the current regime prolonging? There still can be a new govt.
And its not like Israel and US increasing their Nuclear arsenal isn't a bigger worry for people wanting peace? De-nuclarizing starts from the top. These smaller countries are getting nukes simply just because they can't get as much pressurized as they are getting right now by the World's Super powers if they had nukes..
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Getting nukes won't do my people any good. It will bring them more sanctions and block them even further from the world. Iran's power system is built in a way that there really can't be a new government. Everything is controlled and fake
US has said they have no involvement and current reporting has no details. Baghdad says Israeli airstrike but no confirmation from any source.
Might be some regional proxy fighting or engagements going on.
Also Iran seems to be backing down:
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1781450732685648029/