Rembrandt

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Okay, I watched Cabin Fever last night for the first time and in between laughing and being disgusted, I was thinking about just how enjoyable this is considering the things I've heard. it's actually a really solid horror-comedy and is better than any of these intentional horror homages like dudebro party massacre. the intentional cheesy atmosphere almost turned me off but i stuck with it and even with the intention to create that cheesy atmosphere, eli still delivered a solid film and while it might have worked with a more serious tone, its attempt to balance the horrors of the people in the cabin with the surrealism/absurdity of everything else makes for a much more entertaining movie. you have the cop that seems straight out of a skit with him constantly talking about parties and while at first he just seems like a dumb, young cop tryna make a friend, you then see him ride off on a bicycle ringing its bell. it's so ridiculous but it really works because it doesn't rely on these moments to be enjoyable like the aforementioned movie - instead of making those elements the main attraction, they just exist in the world. the pancake scene is insane but what's even crazier is that it basically leads to a revenge plot and invents tucker and dale vs evil along the way. I haven't seen the remake but i just saw that ti west (???!!!) directed the sequel before his big break which is even weirder (but another point to roth's strength as producer, but i'll get to that later). cabin fever is essentially a modern evil dead and the best "cabin horror" movie since. i love cabin in the woods but that quickly veers more into horror-comedy, like evil dead 2, whereas cabin fever and evil dead 1 both have more serious/horror tones.

and this weird movie came out the same time as the ring, blade 2, resident evil, halloween resurrection, jason x, and basically a lot of other movies that definitely weren't like this.


then he went on to create the hostel series which unfortunately got hit with the bad rap of being torture porn, even though the first one wasn't really full of it. the concept of hostel alone is interesting and frightening, playing off people's fear of both traveling and going to small countries. an underground torture ring full of rich, powerful people from across the world preying on tourists. it does a solid job of building that up and some of the people paying for this experience so it doesn't feel just like a disconnected threat. it feels and seems a lot worse when you see the background of the people paying for this experience, their reluctance or enthusiasm, etc.


and the series somehow got better and better; the 3rd one is still pretty good, even though roth had nothing to do with it. the series' closest comparison is saw and it seems a little unfair to compare the two. even with saw having a plot that gets insanely convoluted - the main draw is still the traps, the violence, and gore; its attempts to say something more about the violence almost always falls flat with no real depth behind something like amanda creating inescapable traps and even with them trying, it's hard to care with the plot being so unnecessarily confusing. the audience knows that. the directors know that. the plot was written around the traps and shit. hostel's violence was designed around the plot.

he had the thankskilling trailer in death proof and that had such a positive reception that people constantly asked for him to develop it into a real movie. who knows if it ever will.


but instead he created the green inferno. a modern homage to cannibal genre movies of the old. the movie received so much hype on the festival trail and with roth comparing it to the classic cannibal holocaust (but with a herzog eye!), but it ended up in release hell where it was delayed for two years before it finally released. a gory movie that basically showed why those films aren't made anymore - it was panned for its lack of scares and excitement. fair complaints. it does lack the impact of cannibal holocaust, which had the low-quality camera quality, timing of filming/release to help make its impact bigger. cannibal holocaust sought to criticize documentarians by portraying them as selfish, harmful people that burned villages to stage scenes and find enjoyment in doing so; when the climax happens, it seems well deserved. the "savagery" of the cannibals wasn't unprovoked and was an interesting tackling of cultural relativism and voyeurism. green inferno's targets are the same as the internets. the characters are rich environmentalists and eli roth tackles the subject of superficial volunteerism by having the main character only really get involved because she's interested in a guy. the group seemingly does no research on their own of the people and situation there. etc. etc. it's actually a pretty decent concept that can be wrongly misinterpreted as an attack on volunteerism in general, which i don't think was the intent.

where the movie falls flat is everything that happens once they get kidnapped. cannibal holocaust did a great job of exploring the situation a lot more and building up the tension. you get dropped into the situation quickly and it escalates quickly. inside the cage once captured, there really isn't much there besides roth displaying gruesome images every other scene. that works if you're interested in the gore but the comparisons to cannibal holocaust makes it fall flat. the tension starts coming from within the cage with the characters plotting their escape and taking advantage of each other. some entertainment comes from that but there's really not much there that can happen, especially with the cannibals becoming more background threats compared to what's happening in the cage. i enjoy the movie but it's definitely a disappointment.


he follows that up with knock knock, a throwback to erotic-thrillers with keanu reeves starring. knock knock is a subversive home invasion movie that involves reeves being tortured among other things by two beautiful strangers. it builds up tension well even though something immediately strikes you as wrong - but it could be either side, really. the main criticism around this was the shift in tone and it not being played as serious as it should have been. others say its his best movie because of that and it's a possibility the movie is a comedy or a satire of the film he's remaking and the genre in general. i actually don't remember much of this movie so i'm not gonna speak on it a lot.



i can't think of any other modern horror director with such an interesting filmography and ideas. he's not robert eggers or even james wan; he's kind of in a league of his own and really more reminiscent of someone like sam raimi. now he's gonna be directing bruce willis in a remake of death wise.

if not roth, who else?
 

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Fede' Alvarez, Jordan Peele, Adam Wingard, Mike Flanagan, Jeremy Saulnier, James Wan, etc.. are all more interesting modern horror movie directors than Eli Roth.
 

Lord Brady

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He didn't even make the best Hostel movie. He's more hack than anything else. I'd take Jordan Peele over him.
 
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NotGreatBob

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Jordan Peele and Robert Eggers have made two of the best horror films of the past decade in Get Out and The Witch.

Not a fan of Roth at all.
 

Garmonbozia

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Disagree pretty hard.

Mike Flanagan, Fede Alvarez, Ti West, Adam Wingard

They're way better than Eli Roth, even with the occasional dud on their filmographies.

Edit: How could I forget Eggers...
 

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Roth is a pretentious windbag who makes shit tier horror films. Like others have said Id lean more toward Eggers, Aronofksy, Drew Goddard.
 

HStallion

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Gareth Evans is a better horror director than Eli Roth with the cult segment of VHS2 alone. I'd love to see him take on a full length horror film.
 

foggy

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Roth is interesting in all the wrong ways.

Fede Alvarez, Robert Eggers and S Craig Zahler are all much more interesting

Also Oz Perkins
 

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I love Cabin Fever, but no...no not at all.

Mike Flanagan might not be the most interesting, but I feel like he has had a hell of a solid run so far.
 

Jerm411

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Kojima made a better horror flick than Roth ever has with P.T. ....

All his movies are shallow and one beat that go for shock value over substance...
 

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He's more hack than anything else.
Yeah I agree on that. Personally I hated most of his movies, mostly because he has a knack in having extremely dislikeable people as protagonists, some of the most insufferable charmless characters I ever seen in a horror movie.

That seems to be his modus operandi, copy classic grindhouse films and add a touch of douchebaggery on top.
 
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Graefellsom

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Ti West. Robert Eggers, Wingard (though Blair Witch remake is awful)

Eli Roth's Cabin Fever and Hostel were both pretty good but not nearly on a level with the other people.


edit: I mistakenly attributed Planet Terror to Eli Roth because I'm a silly goose.
 
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foggy

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i would be interested in him doing a slasher. what makes you think he was built to do that, though? none of his movies are slashers.

He loves gore, he has an irreverent(putting it nicely)/juvenile sense of humor, loves putting beautiful women in his films, typically has terrible characters getting their comeuppance, limited cinematic skill but can still make a movie fun from time to time.
 
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The third Blair Witch movie is more interesting to me then any Roth movie even because I have such complicated feelings about it. Im pretty sure I totally fucking hate it but its also got a lot of interesting stuff and a totally bonkers ending

I find the Saw movies more interesting then Hostel tbh.
 

HStallion

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I'd like to see Neill Blomkamp attempt some more horror features after that Zygote short film he made with Dakota Fanning. The monster design and realization in the film was amazing!
 

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Knock Knock and Green Inferno were fun movies. His executive produced Aftershock was interesting as well.

Cabin Fever, and the first two Hostel movies are horror classics.

Looking forward to Death Wish as well. He does different things in every movie.
 
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Rembrandt

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I find the Saw movies more interesting then Hostel tbh.
really? just the opposite for me. i enjoy the traps but besides that, eh. plus they got overly long and the plot is nonsense.

hostel is a much more interesting concept to me and the second one does a way better job of establishing the backworld and motivations without ending up tangled like saw.
 

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Roth was built to be a guy directing Friday The 13th films. Dude would've been to them what Yates was to Potter.

No. Like every other movie he makes he would claim to love the preceding entries and completely miss the point of what people like about them. Say what you will about 80s slasher movies, but they are fun. Eli Roth movies are not.
 
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Rembrandt

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Lol

Like, not even close, as the other replies have covered. He's mediocre.
i literally say the same thing at the bottom of my post.

but i'm not comparing him to people like that. i feel like he's in more of the sam raimi field.

regardless of the quality of the movies, i don't find eggers interesting as a horror movie director so far.

i definitely find peele interesting. ti west has been interesting, though hit and miss outside of his main movies. wingard is starting to convince me that he would better outside of the horror field looking at the guest. you're next was a disappointment and so was blair witch, though both enjoyable.