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Jordan Peele's one movie was a more interesting horror movie than any horror movie Eli Roth has ever done. That's why his name is being mentioned.
kinda disagree. hostel alone is one of the most interesting concepts in horror, imo. it could be fleshed out to be so much, kinda like the purge.


but he's the most interesting modern horror movie director off that one movie alone?



great post, good argument.

if you disagree, can you list other directors you would put before him? if that's not too much, maybe what makes their work interesting outside of being extremely competent? i said why i wouldn't compare him to eggers or wan.
 

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kinda disagree. hostel alone is one of the most interesting concepts in horror, imo. it could be fleshed out to be so much, kinda like the purge.


but he's the most interesting modern horror movie director off that one movie alone?

You're telling me Hostel is a more interesting concept than a smartly written and acted horror film that's also a social commentary about race in America?

What am I reading?
 
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You're telling me Hostel is a more interesting concept than a smartly written and acted horror film that's also a social commentary about race in America?

What am I reading?

i didn't say that but what does that have to do with this thread, though? i said i kinda disagree about get out being more interesting than roth's entire career because hostel alone is incredibly interesting and that coupled with his other films makes him out to be a more interesting filmmaker currently.


I asked if he was the most interesting director in modern horror off that alone. if i'm comparing filmographies, i would definitely say roth is more interesting regardless of Peele having an amazing debut.

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Roth is interesting in all the wrong ways.

Fede Alvarez, Robert Eggers and S Craig Zahler are all much more interesting

Also Oz Perkins

I looked this guy up, and he directed Asylum Blackout? I caught that on a horror movie channel at, like, 2 a.m. years ago. It was one of those C-tier horror movies where you could just feel the potential of the director just bubbling beneath the surface.

And I didn.t know the guy who did the Raid movies directed the only good short on VHS2. :P
 

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i didn't say that but what does that have to do with this thread, though?


I asked if he was the most interesting director in modern horror off that alone. if i'm comparing filmographies, i would definitely say roth is more interesting regardless of Peele having an amazing debut.

talk that instead.

You just said Hostel was one of the most interesting concepts in Horror in reply to me saying Jordan Peele's Get Out was more interesting than anything Eli Roth has ever made. Can I not reply directly back to you without you asking what does this have to do with this thread?

And that's why it has everything to do with this thread. i don't know if I think he's the MOST interesting modern horror director, but he's definitely among them. However I can see some people think Peele is the most interesting modern horror director off that one film alone and can't wait to see his next horror "scoial thriller". It dealt with horror in socially relevant everyday situations people have to deal with in a very tense, creepy, and entertaining way without being heavy handed.

I disagree, and cannot see how anybody can think Roth's filmography is in anyway more interesting than Peele's first film. I don't think you realize how landmark "Get Out" was/is and will be in the future.
 

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I can't believe nobody mentioned Takashi Miike. Dude made the most batshit insane horrors, past or present, I've ever seen. And he's prolific, coming up to the 100th film already.
 

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Roth isn't even close. I'd say that list would include Mike Flanagan, Jordan Peele, Robert Eggers, and maybe Gareth Evans. His VHS short was really excellent, and showed he has a lot of talent for horror.
 

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Can we really call Peele a horror director after making one movie? Maybe if his next movie is also a horror/thriller/comedy/social thriller we can say that.

Any who, I hate horror movies but based on this list

https://www.google.com/search?q=horror+movies+2010's

The Guest was the best horror movie of the of the 2010's. I also liked It Follows, The Babadook, The Witch, and Attack the Block. I haven't seen The Green Room but everyone says that's great but like I said, I don't like horror movies so they have to get praise on the level of Alien or The Thing for me to watch.

I do like how Eli Roth chooses to make the most inappropriate movie he can and rub it in the faces of his audience. He's made Death Wish during a time of increased gun violence and Knock Knock and Green Inferno seem inappropriate at any point past the 50's. The only movie I've seen of his is Green Inferno and I thought it was a crappy knock off of that that South Park episode.

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Is he a good director? No. Is he a good horror movie director? I'm not sure what "good" even means in that sense but he has a knack for choosing agitating films.
 
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You just said Hostel was one of the most interesting concepts in Horror in reply to me saying Jordan Peele's Get Out was more interesting than anything Eli Roth has ever made. Can I not reply directly back to you without you asking what does this have to do with this thread?

And that's why it has everything to do with this thread. i don't know if I think he's the MOST interesting modern horror director, but he's definitely among them. However I can see some people think Peele is the most interesting modern horror director off that one film alone and can't wait to see his next horror "scoial thriller". It dealt with horror in everyday situations people have to deal with in a very tense, creepy, and entertaining way without being heavy handed.

I disagree, and cannot see how anybody can think Roth's filmography is in anyway more interesting than Peele's first film. I don't think you realize how landmark "Get Out" was/is and will be in the future.

I mean, I explained why somebody might find Roth's more interesting in the OP with full understanding of the Get Out's impact. I also explained why I don't consider Peele to be the most interesting in horror right now while still acknowledging his potential.

what didn't i realize? your reasoning behind that could be applied to something like funny games and i would definitely argue that funny games is more interesting than Get Out. don't try to patronize me.


Roth isn't even close. I'd say that list would include Mike Flanagan, Jordan Peele, Robert Eggers, and maybe Gareth Evans. His VHS short was really excellent, and showed he has a lot of talent for horror.

has evans showed more interest in directing horror? his short was fantastic and one of the best in the series. would love to see him dive into it.

eggers is still eh to me. the witch was incredibly overrated. i find it interesting that he might have a lane for making really grounded period pieces/horror movies from fairy tales/urban legends. his dedication to realism is a unique one.

oculus was surprisingly decent and i enjoyed hush. i'm shocked that hasn't been done before or i might just be unaware.
 

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I mean, I explained why somebody might find Roth's more interesting in the OP with full understanding of the Get Out's impact. I also explained why I don't consider Peele to be the most interesting in horror right now while still acknowledging his potential.

what didn't i realize? your reasoning behind that could be applied to something like funny games and i would definitely argue that funny games is more interesting than Get Out. don't try to patronize me.

If anybody's patronizing it's you. I answer your questions and you ask me what does that have to do with this thread. Then tell me what exactly to talk about, when anything I've posted has been relevant to this thread.
 

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Not even close. He's like a horror fanboy who makes films slightly better than Rob Zombie's, but he has such an immature mindset that he can't make anything of substance. To be fair, I somewhat enjoyed Hostel Part 2 though. Fede Alvarez, Robert Eggers, and Mike Flanagan come to mind.
 
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Justin Benson and Aaron Scott Moorhead definitely deserve to be mentioned alongside the likes of Flanagan, Eggers and Peele. Resolution and Spring are both great and unique and their latest film The Endless looks bonkers (100% on RT too).

Roth hasn't made anything interesting since his first film. They're getting worse and worse.
 

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Eggers had the best horror debut in years. Over peele too. Definitely got my eyes on that nosferatu remake
 

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has evans showed more interest in directing horror? his short was fantastic and one of the best in the series. would love to see him dive into it.

eggers is still eh to me. the witch was incredibly overrated. i find it interesting that he might have a lane for making really grounded period pieces/horror movies from fairy tales/urban legends. his dedication to realism is a unique one.

oculus was surprisingly decent and i enjoyed hush. i'm shocked that hasn't been done before or i might just be unaware.
Evans next movie is Apostle which is about a man rescuing his sister from a cult. So I'm hoping he took a more horror approach alongside the action

Eggers next movie is Nosferatu, where he's again taking a period accurate approach for both the look and culture of 1800s Germany and of the vampire beliefs and lore of the time

Flanagan's next work is a Netflix series adaption of The Haunting of Hill House
 
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If anybody's patronizing it's you. I answer your questions and you ask me what does that have to do with this thread. Then tell me what exactly to talk about, when anything I've posted has been relevant to this thread.

only because i rather not have this devolve into, "how can roth be interesting when *insert movie here* is better/more interesting than *insert roth movie* here." because i rather discuss the director as whole rather than singling out one movie to compare against the other.
 

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Justin Benson and Aaron Scott Moorhead definitely deserve to be mentioned alongside the likes of Flanagan, Eggers and Peele. Resolution and Spring are both great and unique and their latest film The Endless looks bonkers (100% on RT too).

Roth hasn't made anything interesting since his first film. They're getting worse and worse.

I guess I need to watch Resolution because I really liked Spring. Can't wait for The Endless.

only because i rather not have this devolve into, "how can roth be interesting when *insert movie here* is better/more interesting than *insert roth movie* here." because i rather discuss the director as whole rather than singling out one movie to compare against the other.
I was comparing one modern horror film director's filmography to another to make the case how uninteresting Eli Roth is.
 
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Evans next movie is Apostle which is about a man rescuing his sister from a cult. So I'm hoping he took a more horror approach alongside the action

Eggers next movie is Nosferatu, where he's again taking a period accurate approach for both the look and culture of 1800s Germany and of the vampire beliefs and lore of the time

Flanagan's next work is a Netflix series adaption of The Haunting of Hill House

Apostle has so much potential. I really doubt it but it would be great if this built on everything in the VHS short.


i feel like Alfonso CuarĂłn could make a great horror movie

oh, that would be really interesting. he has an amazing eye.
 
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I was comparing one modern horror film director's filmography to another to make the case how uninteresting Eli Roth is.
you haven't even told me how eli is uninteresting, you just asked how anyone could find him interesting, which i explained in my first post.

you're not really making a case.

like i said, i think get out is interesting and peele holds potential but i wouldn't say he's the most interesting modern horror movie director. regardless of how great get out is as a film.
 

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you haven't even told me how eli is uninteresting, you just asked how anyone could find him interesting, which i explained in my first post.

you're not really making a case.

like i said, i think get out is interesting and peele holds potential but i wouldn't say he's the most interesting modern horror movie director. regardless of how great get out is as a film.

The point was he's more interesting than Eli Roth, y'know the person this thread was about, and you asked if not Roth, than who else? LOL

Unlike a lot of people, I don't think Roth is terrible. I just don't think there's much depth in any of his films compared to other modern horror film directors and relies too much on excessive violence to evoke any type of emotion from audiences.
 
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The point was he's more interesting than Eli Roth, y'know the person this thread was about, and you asked if not Roth, than who else? LOL

Unlike a lot of people, I don't think Roth is terrible. I just don't think there's much depth in any of his films compared to other modern horror film directors and relies too much on excessive violence to evoke any type of emotion from audiences.

you've already said that you don't know if peele's the most interesting in modern horror and i've already said why i don't feel he is, so what are you tryna argue about?

that's not necessarily a bad thing but i think movies like a few of his movies are actually tryna to evoke something from the audience besides making them squeamish. hostel had some commentary about power and greed. green inferno commentary on the sect of volunteerism that is more selfish/self-serving than genuine altruism. they may not have all worked but i don't think his movies are gore for the sake of gore for the most part.

is there another modern director close to raimi or jackson with brain dead? cabin fever seems to be the closest.
reflecting back on torture porn - is it fair to classify hostel in it? i'm still really surprised at just how subdued hostel is when looking at some horror movies after.
 
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you've already said that you don't know if peele's the most interesting in modern horror and i've already said why i don't feel he is, so what are you tryna argue about?

that's not necessarily a bad thing but i think movies like a few of his movies are actually tryna to evoke something from the audience besides making them squeamish. hostel had some commentary about power and greed. green inferno commentary on the sect of volunteerism that is more selfish/self-serving than genuine altruism. they may not have all worked but i don't think his movies are gore for the sake of gore.

It's been so long since I've seen Hostel. I remember enjoying it for what it is, but not thinking much else afterwards. I've started watching Green Inferno, but decided to watch something else upon being reminded Eli Roth directed it. it's 34 percent on Rotten Tomatoes didn't help either. Perhaps I should give that a chance. Better yet, I'm going to watch that this weekend, and update you on what I thought.
 

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Not even close. He's like a horror fanboy who makes films slightly better than Rob Zombie's, but he has such an immature mindset that he can't make anything of substance. To be fair, I somewhat enjoyed Hostel Part 2 though. Fede Alvarez, Robert Eggers, and Mike Flanagan come to mind.

Eli Roth at his best doesn't come close to Rob Zombie at his best.
 
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It's been so long since I've seen Hostel. I remember enjoying it for what it is, but not thinking much else afterwards. I've started watching Green Inferno, but decided to watch something else upon being reminded Eli Roth directed it. it's 34 percent on Rotten Tomatoes didn't help either. Perhaps I should give that a chance. Better yet, I'm going to watch that this weekend, and update you on what I thought.

surprisingly less gore than the talk around it. it actually does a decent job of building paranoia and tension. the world building around it that gets expanded upon with sequels kinda sets it apart from saw, imo. the sequel does something interesting and has the rich girl buy herself out of the torture ring - it's a like a real quick smack of reality in this fucked up world/movie he built. it's little things like that that inspired this thread.

eh, have you seen cannibal holocaust? i wouldn't give place it that low but obviously, the premise of the movie seems really out of touch in this day and age. cannibalism movies work way better now when they're "close to home" or backwoodsy rather than a bulletpoint for exotic people. along with what seems like an attack towards "social justice warriors. it's a weird movie but an overall disappointment to me.


Eli Roth at his best doesn't come close to Rob Zombie at his best.

whoa, what's zombie's best? if it's the devil's rejects, roth has came close and surpassed that. with almost every movie really. if it's not that, roth has surpassed it with every movie.
 

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It's always been weird reading the Eli Roth hate on the old place and now here. I remember at the time Hostel was a huge breath of fresh air in the genre, and now people take it for granted. I think it's one of the best horror movies of the past two decades. I haven't seen Part II in some time but I remember it being better-directed but not as well-plotted. Cabin Fever was also a gem at the time for its personality but it too is now taken for granted apparently. He also produced The Last Exorcism, also one of the best modern horror films.

Anyway, I'll nominate Greg McLean. Wolf Creek 1 and 2 and Rogue are all great. The CGI in Rogue and the ending of WC2 are rough but it's compensated by how great the rest is.
 

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Damn, Green Inferno isn't on any of my cable apps. Hostel, Hostel part 2, and Cabin Fever is though.

Is Rembrandt going to make me rewatch these films and reassess Roth's Work? Hmmmmmm.... LOL
 

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It's always been weird reading the Eli Roth hate on the old place and now here. I remember at the time Hostel was a huge breath of fresh air in the genre, and now people take it for granted. I think it's one of the best horror movies of the past two decades. I haven't seen Part II in some time but I remember it being better-directed but not as well-plotted. Cabin Fever was also a gem at the time for its personality but it too is now taken for granted apparently. He also produced The Last Exorcism, also one of the best modern horror films.

Anyway, I'll nominate Greg McLean. Wolf Creek 1 and 2 and Rogue are all great. The CGI in Rogue and the ending of WC2 are rough but it's compensated by how great the rest is.
I don't think you're using the right phrase, people aren't dismissing Hostel and Cabin Fever because of familiarity or because similar other movies. Hostel may have some stronger elements, but Cabin Fever is some campy over-the-top silliness.
 

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Anyway, I'll nominate Greg McLean. Wolf Creek 1 and 2 and Rogue are all great. The CGI in Rogue and the ending of WC2 are rough but it's compensated by how great the rest is.
McLean is fabulous. He directed Belko Experiment which was bonkers. It was written by James Gunn. And I just rented on Amazon video Daniel Radcliffe in Jungle which he wrote or produced. Crazy jungle survival movie. He's a really great director. I have yet to watch the stinker ghost movie he directed last year.

whoa, what's zombie's best? if it's the devil's rejects, roth has came close and surpassed that. with almost every movie really. if it's not that, roth has surpassed it with every movie.
Say what you want about rob zombie, but Devils Rejects is a top tier one of a kind horror movie.
 

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Damn, Green Inferno isn't on any of my cable apps. Hostel, Hostel part 2, and Cabin Fever is though.

Is Rembrandt going to make me rewatch these films and reassess Roth's Work? Hmmmmmm.... LOL

Is Rainforest Shmainforest from South Park on your apps. It's the same thing but it has Jennifer Aniston and Cartman beating endangered species with a stick.
 

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Roth is not even that good as a director, so the most interesting is kind of a stretch. Fede Alverez go to a kind of similar vibe and it's so much better that it's unfair to compare
 

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James Wan for me.

Peele has done one so far, hard to say he's the most interesting one. His one was a homer, but let's see what he has next.

Roth definitely was interesting but seems to be interested in putting his name on films and not as much doing them now...and Green Inferno was terrible.
 

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Law of averages and all, can't call Peele one of the best if all he put out was one lol. For all we know his next 5 could be a flop putting Roth ahead of him.

And I'll never understand the praise Witch gets. I'm a huge horror fanatic and that movie was a damn snoozefest.
 

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Fair, but Evil Dead and Don't Breath are both better Roth kind movies than anything Roth made
While fun and good, neither of those movies come close to a three minute Thanksgiving trailer.

And I'll never understand the praise Witch gets. I'm a huge horror fanatic and that movie was a damn snoozefest.
Preach dude. Took me four times to get through the movie and I shrugged at the end.

No argument here. He is a genius. He can direct anything.
 

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whoa, what's zombie's best? if it's the devil's rejects, roth has came close and surpassed that. with almost every movie really. if it's not that, roth has surpassed it with every movie.

For me nothing Roth has done comes close to Devil's Rejects or even House of a 1000 Corpses....

Shit give me Halloween II over most of Roth's work.... Roth is a guy I want to love but have yet to... Hostel and Cabin Fever are his best and frankly neither are all that spectacular... at least Zombie's Halloween 2 is fucking weird.

Like Roth is a guy I want to love, truly because he's a guy who clearly loves the horror genre... but he just never really gets there for me.

The best horror auteur right now is I'd say Ti West.

The biggest problem with Cabin Fever is it was marketed as a straight up horror movie but it was far more gory comedy than anything else... which ruined my enjoyment of it when i saw it in theatres.
 

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The best horror auteur right now is I'd say Ti West.

The biggest problem with Cabin Fever is it was marketed as a straight up horror movie but it was far more gory comedy than anything else... which ruined my enjoyment of it when i saw it in theatres.
Ti West also did the sequel nobody wanted (because the premise sucked), Cabin Fever 2.
 

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Looking up TI West's filmography I haven't seen nor heard of his any films. I guess I need to check them out. Damn, none of his films make any money at the box office.
 

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Ti West also did the sequel nobody wanted (because the premise sucked), Cabin Fever 2.

After extensive re-editing and re-shooting by the producers, director Ti West requested to have his name removed from the film and replaced with the popular pseudonym Alan Smithee. Because he was not a member of the Directors Guild of America, his request was denied by the producers and he remains credited as the film's director. West has since disowned the final product claiming that it is more a product of the producers and executives than that of his own.[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabin_Fever_2:_Spring_Fever


Innkeepers, House of the Devil, The Sacrament are phenomenal especially the first two.
 

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I really liked the Sacrament. Made "found footage" movies exciting because they aped Vice documentary tendencies at first. And when the moment the movie goes dark, you know it's coming but you're still not prepared.
 

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I really liked the Sacrament. Made "found footage" movies exciting because they aped Vice documentary tendencies at first. And when the moment the movie goes dark, you know it's coming but you're still not prepared.

I'm sad Ti West seems to be branching away from horror, all three of the movies I listed are so different yet such great horror films.
 
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Damn, Green Inferno isn't on any of my cable apps. Hostel, Hostel part 2, and Cabin Fever is though.

Is Rembrandt going to make me rewatch these films and reassess Roth's Work? Hmmmmmm.... LOL
he deserves it!


It's always been weird reading the Eli Roth hate on the old place and now here. I remember at the time Hostel was a huge breath of fresh air in the genre, and now people take it for granted. I think it's one of the best horror movies of the past two decades. I haven't seen Part II in some time but I remember it being better-directed but not as well-plotted. Cabin Fever was also a gem at the time for its personality but it too is now taken for granted apparently. He also produced The Last Exorcism, also one of the best modern horror films.

Anyway, I'll nominate Greg McLean. Wolf Creek 1 and 2 and Rogue are all great. The CGI in Rogue and the ending of WC2 are rough but it's compensated by how great the rest is.

the last exorcism is so fucking good. i was really high last time i watched wolf creek 2, lol, is it still on netflix? i need to give it a rewatch. i think a roth hate now comes from people not rewatching any of his movies since the backlash came. i honestly think a rewatch of hostel 1/2 in 2017 will surprise a lot of people.


Say what you want about rob zombie, but Devils Rejects is a top tier one of a kind horror movie.

oh, it definitely is. it's why i kinda get the comparisons to roth, honestly.


Fair, but Evil Dead and Don't Breath are both better Roth kind movies than anything Roth made

cabin fever is a better evil dead movie than the remake, though... don't breath is so good. i wouldn't argue it being better than anything roth has made but i also wouldn't call it a roth kind movie.


Roth is not even that good as a director, so the most interesting is kind of a stretch. Fede Alverez go to a kind of similar vibe and it's so much better that it's unfair to compare

don't have to be a great director to be an interesting one and being a great director won't make your work interesting.


For me nothing Roth has done comes close to Devil's Rejects or even House of a 1000 Corpses....

Shit give me Halloween II over most of Roth's work.... Roth is a guy I want to love but have yet to... Hostel and Cabin Fever are his best and frankly neither are all that spectacular... at least Zombie's Halloween 2 is fucking weird.

Like Roth is a guy I want to love, truly because he's a guy who clearly loves the horror genre... but he just never really gets there for me.

The best horror auteur right now is I'd say Ti West.

The biggest problem with Cabin Fever is it was marketed as a straight up horror movie but it was far more gory comedy than anything else... which ruined my enjoyment of it when i saw it in theatres.

cabin fever is pretty weird in a good way. he's kind of the tarantino of horror but it's a lot harder when your references or inspirations are in kind of a "trashy" genre and that's always gonna be hit or miss with people. cabin fever is 100% a b-movie that wants to be a great b-movie; not a b-movie striving to be something as self-aware as scream. it's why i find his work so interesting. like i said in the OP, he kinda explored the tucker and dale vs evil angle in cabin fever in 2002. i still can't think of another movie based around torture like hostel that actively tries to show the depravity of the premise - outside of just showing the torture; it drives the overally depravity of it all so much more.

ti west directed the sequel to cabin fever, weirdly and roth also produced the sacrament. they seem to be pretty close. i think roth's influence is kinda understated.


I really liked the Sacrament. Made "found footage" movies exciting because they aped Vice documentary tendencies at first. And when the moment the movie goes dark, you know it's coming but you're still not prepared.

i agree, it's really great and the vice thing really sells it. kinda places it in the blair witch realm. i'm so sad that roth didn't go for that angle when making the green inferno, though i can see him being cautious about aping cannibal holocaust too much.

Looking up TI West's filmography I haven't seen nor heard of his any films. I guess I need to check them out. Damn, none of his films make any money at the box office.

i didn't know any of them had wide releases, honestly.
 

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ti west directed the sequel to cabin fever, weirdly and roth also produced the sacrament. they seem to be pretty close. i think roth's influence is kinda understated.

As I implied before holding Cabin Fever 2 against Ti West is pretty silly...

I'll put House of the Devil and Innkeepers up against most horror movies made in the past say 20 years.