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It's been over three years, do you prefer DOOM 2016's Campaign or DOOM Eternal's Campaign?
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I really enjoyed both. I like that they nailed what they wanted to do with 2016 and then just had fun with Eternal.
Arc Complex is the greatest FPS level of all time.
But overall I enjoyed 2016's campaign a lot more. Eternal's felt like too much for me at times.
But overall I enjoyed 2016's campaign a lot more. Eternal's felt like too much for me at times.
2016, if partly because I feel like the aesthetic consistency of it - versus Eternal being more 'honestly' gamified and using classic Doom elements - makes it easier for my brain to stay engaged, while Eternal is... constantly taking me out of itself
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I actually agree that Eternal's Nightmare is significantly easier than 2016's Nightmare. I don't really understand why so many people think Eternal's harder.
What do you think of DOOM 2016 overall?
2016
Sometimes less is more.
A lot of the reasons why people really love Eternal are things that make it feel less like Doom to me. I mostly want a prettier version of 1993 Doom, which 2016 isn't, but it's closer to it than Eternal is.
I think my perfect modern Doom would be a blend of Doom 3 and Doom 2016. It's like both are valid interpretations of exactly half of original Doom.
Sometimes less is more.
A lot of the reasons why people really love Eternal are things that make it feel less like Doom to me. I mostly want a prettier version of 1993 Doom, which 2016 isn't, but it's closer to it than Eternal is.
I think my perfect modern Doom would be a blend of Doom 3 and Doom 2016. It's like both are valid interpretations of exactly half of original Doom.
I like them both equally. I would give the original a slight edge just because it didn't have those silly Marauder enemies, but really they're both rollicking fun and I can't put one above the other.
Eternal's by a wide margin. The only thing I would like is a pure arcade campaign mode with all weapon unlocks from the start and no hub world. I felt those elements dragged the game down a little.
2016 had a more cohesive aesthetic, but feels flat out boring compared to Eternal's gameplay.
2016 had a more cohesive aesthetic, but feels flat out boring compared to Eternal's gameplay.
As I'll always say in these threads, Eternal took all the wrong lessons from Doom 2016 and made a different beast that I didn't like at all. Same thing that happened with Wolfenstein 2.
I liked Eternal well enough, but it just leaned into the worst parts of 2016's design. So many arenas where you had to kill waves of enemies to move on.
And the lore and story went beyond regular cringe into rarely seen and uncharted waters of cringe.
And the lore and story went beyond regular cringe into rarely seen and uncharted waters of cringe.
2016.
I thought Eternal was bloated, weirdly fixated on it's narrative after the extremely positive reception to 2016 specifically *not doing that*, has combat that's so demanding that it exhausted me considering the length of the levels, has out of place platforming sections, and Marauders.
I thought Eternal was bloated, weirdly fixated on it's narrative after the extremely positive reception to 2016 specifically *not doing that*, has combat that's so demanding that it exhausted me considering the length of the levels, has out of place platforming sections, and Marauders.
I think Eternal has the better gameplay and combat arenas, but as a "campaign" the first one flows better. It has better pacing and level design.
There was an interview with Marty about how in Eternal they always wanted the player to be engaged even when they're not in combat. This led to them adding sections like those tentacle hallways, poison water that you can't jump in, underwater swimming sections, etc., all of which I thought were genuinely terrible. Same goes with the expanded lore, story, and cut-scenes. Just really bland stuff.
There was an interview with Marty about how in Eternal they always wanted the player to be engaged even when they're not in combat. This led to them adding sections like those tentacle hallways, poison water that you can't jump in, underwater swimming sections, etc., all of which I thought were genuinely terrible. Same goes with the expanded lore, story, and cut-scenes. Just really bland stuff.
Doom 1, 2, and 2016 all have a VERY similar game design philosophy. 2016 was a proper modernization of the first 2. I fucking love it.
Eternal is so wildly different that 3 has more Doom DNA in it IMO.
I fucking hated Eternal.
Eternal is so wildly different that 3 has more Doom DNA in it IMO.
I fucking hated Eternal.
Only played Doom 2016, but from what I've seen Eternal has the same issue:
I'm just not a fan of the locked door area style combat. I wish it were more like the original Doom where you could run right past enemies if you wanted and usually the whole level was open to you and there were only a couple instances where it locked you in a room with enemies.
I'm just not a fan of the locked door area style combat. I wish it were more like the original Doom where you could run right past enemies if you wanted and usually the whole level was open to you and there were only a couple instances where it locked you in a room with enemies.
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