Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner threaten to sue The Lincoln Project over Times Square billboards
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Literally walked by Times Square yesterday knowing nothing about this but thanks lawsuit for making me aware of it today!
Amazing how so many people don't get this. Unreal. These are the same people who stayed home in '16 because Hillary didn't pass the purity test.
Their usefulness is extremely questionable
More than half of their money goes back into their own companies
Dave Wasserman also had a tweet thread - that I cant find rn - showing that their ads are much less effective than people think.
That's what articles have pointed out (3 of them linked here!) That people will continue to ignore.
That's quite an assumption based on absolutely nothing.
I dont like Joe Biden or Kamala Harris...but Im still voting for them (because voting otherwise is idiotic in this case) and I did the same in 2016.
But this is not equivocal at all.
That poster already got one assumption wrong (that libs aren't donating to TLP in the millions) so ig they decided to go for an even wilder one. A bold strategy.
Truly, purity testing has gone too far when we start testing Republicans.
Who among us hasn't called for Muslims to be shot in their houses of worship?
It's no more baseless than all the caterwauling that anyone who likes these ads is donating to TLP or is too stupid to understand that TLP is made up of republicans.
You already baselessly assumed that libs weren't donating to TLP in the millions and were proven wrong with 3 different links, why the heck would anyone take your assumptions seriously again lol
Again, the world is a lot bigger than Era. Just because we recognize the grift doesn't mean everyone else does.
Edit: and even then id say Era at large doesn't recognize the grift bc y'all still think they're useful when all evidence points to the opposite
So what's the solution? Because the fact the Project exists seems a general failure on one side of the political spectrum, and its not necessarily the right.
If they are able to easily cosplay leftists and be effective, what does that say about the left in general.
I can't get mad at two assholes punching each other after a fight pops off, particularly since the people around them really aren't doing shit. This whole 'well they are snakes in the grass!' as opposed to who, the GOP?
Where's this group that's doing similar work that TLP is sucking up the oxygen from?
How? Give me a tangible way they're going to backstab or con us or whatever. I'm seeing a lot of fearmongering about this being a grift, but no legitimate substantiation to it.
Well besides the fact that all the cofounders' views are much closer to Trump's than Biden's, even if they disappear after the election it's still a grift.
Over half their fundraising goes back into their own companies and their ads aren't effective.
About time someone went after them too.
His idiotic family need to feel the heat. Kushner especially, super incompetent criminal headlining Government activities.
His idiotic family need to feel the heat. Kushner especially, super incompetent criminal headlining Government activities.
The links that show that they're funneling liberal money into their pockets doesn't substantiate that it's a grift? Those millions aren't getting refunded after Trump loses.
While the Lincoln Project are pretty shitty people themselves who have turned on Trump, the one thing they are not is stupid - most are high profile lawyers who more than likely (100%) did their homework so good fucking luck Jarvanka...
Trumps will get "hand down my pants" Rudy to defend them...lol
Trumps will get "hand down my pants" Rudy to defend them...lol
What? They will try to get the Republican nominee to win the election after next (on Dem money!). What more do you need?
And their marketing/reach will be exponential since a majority (I assume) of their current donors/followers/engagements are Democrat.
Plenty of other outlets and organizations do the same shit for free.
But they've been super funded to relevancy and gaining popularity with people...like this very forum. They've become a giant social media presence in thanks to the left propping them up, pandering to gullible leftists and grifting more money from them in the meanwhile. The right just took the same grift they been using on their end, flipped the script a bit and started rake in the cash.
And yes it does say alot when leftists can be so easily manipulated with some basic ass shit talking.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. They do and say the shit the Dems won't that irritates the GOP
They make good ads. Funny shit
The lectures really get old lol. We know the Lincoln Project's true intentions and who they really are, but turning down nukes because of their origin in the middle of a war is an idiot's strategy.
Exactly. But holier than thee and purity tests are more important than that. All I care now is getting Trump out.
Read the thread. This would be a revelation to some people.
There are a shocking number of posts in here presuming that people know the composition, history, and agenda of the core members of TLP. Most people do not, and quite a few of them have posted that reality in this very fucking thread. I bet if you ask your parents who they are, most of them have no idea either.
These people are hoping to influence the democrat platform. Evidence suggests they are doing just that. Treat them with a 10 foot pole.
God, if only there were this much concern when Leftists do shit like vote third party, write-in, or undervoting. If there were this much concern when Leftists cry publicly that both sides are the same and that there are no good choices. When they say that an establishment conspiracy blocks their personality cult candidates from getting mainstream nominations.
Leftist/tankie/'rose' types are installing Amy Barrett on the Supreme Court until 2050 with their ineffectiveness.
If only anybody gave a shit about that instead of...The Lincoln Project.
Biden's campaign alone is raising a billion fucking dollars. Stop pretending that liberals/progressives/leftists are focused on propping up TLP.
Leftist/tankie/'rose' types are installing Amy Barrett on the Supreme Court until 2050 with their ineffectiveness.
If only anybody gave a shit about that instead of...The Lincoln Project.
Biden's campaign alone is raising a billion fucking dollars. Stop pretending that liberals/progressives/leftists are focused on propping up TLP.
I dunno. Buying up Foxnews adverts to troll Trump into picking dumb fights as opposed to righting his long leaky ship, I don't think that happens with a leftist org.
On the issue of cash grifting, I mean of course, these are abhorrent people. That cash would go a long way on a local level, they should be smart enough to funnel that cash there, but that cash would have never went to work on a local level because that's not the kind of quick endorphins thrill that breaks out checkbooks.
Exactly. So old. Anyone who donates to TLP is a moron. But cheering their ads ans laughing at them is just fine.
I also believe that most on ERA understand that TLP in 2024 will be running a pro-Republican series of advertisements and that the people running it aren't new to politics so they aren't going away anytime soon regardless of what happens and were without a doubt going to be doing something anyways. Us on ERA aren't going to change any of that.
Some do however that understand in the short term through Election Day they can reach people not on ERA to some degree. If not then we wouldn't even be concerned about them getting donations or their ads being effective or not.
If anything they do right now can translate to vote for Biden then it is a net positive in the current fight to remove Trump from office.
I just don't think we should have these lectures every single time a thread is made. Make a TLP awareness thread and do it there. These threads today always turn into the same thing we are seeing right now.
Some do however that understand in the short term through Election Day they can reach people not on ERA to some degree. If not then we wouldn't even be concerned about them getting donations or their ads being effective or not.
If anything they do right now can translate to vote for Biden then it is a net positive in the current fight to remove Trump from office.
I just don't think we should have these lectures every single time a thread is made. Make a TLP awareness thread and do it there. These threads today always turn into the same thing we are seeing right now.
Man it sure would be nice if that plane crashed. A man can dream.
Just wait til they run their negative ads against people like AOC in the near future
Doesn't really apply in this case. Those are huge billboards in one of most famous places in the most famous city in the world.
Are the bulk of their donations dem/liberal? This sounds like a massive assumption. And the moment they switch gears to the Republican propaganda machine again, would these same people keep donating?
I saw records broken from liberals donating to the Senate swing states, felon voter registration and the overall Biden campaign, but not this.
As if the last four years hasn't been a perpetual tantrum about how leftists stayed home on Clinton when they came out in larger numbers than Clinton voters did for Obama on 2008. Even if that were the case, it's not like you can't do both.
The real play is to put some grifters in front of as many marks as possible while there's a ton of close races across the country. Expand their email and follower lists and their war chest. When they flip, and you know they will because you're smart and don't need to be lectured on this, they'll have more resources than they should. Absurdly short sighted to get some dopamine off an ineffective "Trump bad" billboard.
It's not the liberals on this site who end up being useful idiots for right-wing propaganda.
They might get that influence unfortunately because establishment Dems are kinder to conservatives than they are the progressive influences of the party. That cozying up to the right is the fault of the Dem representatives that do it and they need more criticism when they do. My hope is that AOC, Bernie, Warren, Omar and people like them roast the Dems hard if they end up giving more posts to conservatives and big business cronies than they do progressives. This a big problem the Dems have right now and it precedes and goes well beyond the Lincoln Party.
Why not both? You can have a multitude of concerns.
We all know voting third party is a trash vote (because the two party system is trash as well as the electoral college, but thats another topic)
We all know that voter apathy in the past was a huge issue and needs to be adressed (but thats another topic)
Nobody is equating any side to the other (besides you, however)
Why is fundraising millions and billions of dollars a good thing for ANY candidate in a political race? why is that not a big red flag on any side (also another topic)
The topic here is, "Fuck the lincoln project, dont fucken trust them".
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That's not a clever retort as you might think. Just super goofy. Useful idiots consume and disseminate propaganda.
"Orange man bad"
Yeah the Dems cannot get lulled into complacency and think that all their political enemies will be as easy as Trump.
But who are we kidding, this is the Democrats we're talking about, they're already talking about bipartisanship with the traitorous fascists.
Yes, the problem is not a bunch of neocon grifters with millions of dollars, it's...Rose Twitter and tankies, the incredibly influential electorate in national elections.
There's something to be said about attacking someone where they live. Sure, they could out up those billboards in Ohio, or Florida, but it won't sting as much, or cut as deep, as when they're placed in New York, amongst their friends and peers.