Jade Raymond introduces Haven, a new Montreal-based game development studio working on an original, new IP for PlayStation
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I totally agree with this.
really really not liking all this talk about many multiplayer projects from Sony.
Just leave this to all other publishers, since this is the only thing 90% of the industry is doing.
No need to make more of the same all the industry is doing.
Theres just so little huge AAA 3 person narrative games on the market that seeing the only publisher that do this, spending resources on doing more of those GaaS games makes me sad.
The division, ghost recon, rainbow six, battlefront, battlefield, COD, valorant, overwatch , counter strike. Fortnite, halo, for honor, titanfall, apex legends, back 4 blood, destiny, alien, state of decay, battlegrounds, … and this without even think…
the list can go on and on and on…
I mean, people want more of this games?
How many games exactly the same people still want?
How is possible to play so many competitive or GaaS games?
People that play single player games, finish one and go to another for other stories and characters/worlds but this GaaS games people keep there playing for months/years…
Theres really need for many more of this?
So lets get this straight:
Naughty Dog: Working on Factions or a New Multiplayer Experience, TLOU Remake (rumored), New IP (assumed), Part III (on the pipeline).
Insomniac: Spider-Man 2 (assumed), Multiplayer project (rumored).
Guerrilla: Horizon 2 (in Production), Multiplayer project (heavily rumored).
Bend: New Open World IP (Sorta Confirmed)
Asobi: Astro's Playroom VR/Rescue Mission 2 (assumed)
London: New IP (rumored), Blood and Truth Sequel (assumed)
San Diego: MLB
Santa Monica: God of War Sequel (in Production), New IP (heavily rumored)
Sucker Punch: Tsushima Sequel (assumed)
Pixelopus: New IP (Sorta confirmed)
Polyphony: GT7 (in Production)
XDEV/Visual Arts: Assisting and working on multiple projects (assumed)
Housemarque: New IP (Sorta confirmed)
Nixxes: PC port support (assumed)
Partnerships:
Haven: Online GAAS (rumored)
Firewalk: Multiplayer New IP (confirmed)
Devation: New IP (confirmed)
To me, the upcoming first party lineup seems like a healthy balance of single player and multiplayer stuff. And lot of these MP projects could easily be modes for their single player counterparts. So I think some people here are blowing things out of proportions (as always).
Naughty Dog: Working on Factions or a New Multiplayer Experience, TLOU Remake (rumored), New IP (assumed), Part III (on the pipeline).
Insomniac: Spider-Man 2 (assumed), Multiplayer project (rumored).
Guerrilla: Horizon 2 (in Production), Multiplayer project (heavily rumored).
Bend: New Open World IP (Sorta Confirmed)
Asobi: Astro's Playroom VR/Rescue Mission 2 (assumed)
London: New IP (rumored), Blood and Truth Sequel (assumed)
San Diego: MLB
Santa Monica: God of War Sequel (in Production), New IP (heavily rumored)
Sucker Punch: Tsushima Sequel (assumed)
Pixelopus: New IP (Sorta confirmed)
Polyphony: GT7 (in Production)
XDEV/Visual Arts: Assisting and working on multiple projects (assumed)
Housemarque: New IP (Sorta confirmed)
Nixxes: PC port support (assumed)
Partnerships:
Haven: Online GAAS (rumored)
Firewalk: Multiplayer New IP (confirmed)
Devation: New IP (confirmed)
To me, the upcoming first party lineup seems like a healthy balance of single player and multiplayer stuff. And lot of these MP projects could easily be modes for their single player counterparts. So I think some people here are blowing things out of proportions (as always).
I only play single player offline games, so if this is an online GaaS game, why would I play something that doesn't align with my tastes at all? Hence my hard pass.
Sony exclusives have historically been great multiplayer games! /s
I'm sure a brand new independent studio assembled with people who have little to no Sony connections will be bound to those historical precedents.
When 3rd person cinematic games are the #1 thing that they pump out, yes it is. They're slacking on the other side of game's
I'm not really a fan of most GAAS games but I'm going to wait and see what this game is before I decide if I want to play it or not.
Don't care about multiplayer.
Don't care about GaaS.
It's alredy low on my list of interest.
Yeah why not? If it's good I'll play it.
I don't care about filling some sort of quota.
You make it seem like we've seen all there is to see when it comes to multiplayer games lol
If Sony can bring the level of quality, polish and creativity that they do for their singleplayer games to multiplayer then that's a win for the industry.
It is easy to dismiss the game because of many factors:
• Backed by Sony who are bad at producing and managing online games
• Project is exclusive because Haven needs capital from a publisher
• Small studio taking on service online gaming
• Fresh studio with a new project, means it is 3+ years away
• It is a studio led by a director/manager whose latest ventures include Stadia, EA Motive and a failed Ubisoft online service game
There is a list of gaming devs who left Riot/Bungie/Blizzard/EA at their peak, only to end up with mediocre independent games bankrupting themselves. You need to tell me what is exciting about this Jade-Haven-Sony partnership.
If you are the type of person who is excited about every game, and gives everything a chance, then you might be talking with the wrong people. People like me, who see a project and have to put it somewhere on the spectrum (most likely to fail/disappoint -> most likely to wow), the forecast is that it will either be a mediocre short-lived online game, or the partnership will break apart before the game is even out.
My issue is not fear of Sony abandoning SP games. My issue is "and another GAAS title". How many GAAS titles can be played at the same time? Time is limited resource for everyone, playing same game for years is not something I want. I want as many nes and interesting experiences and stories as possible.
This is my issue as well. I hate anything meant to lock you into one game for extended periods of time with no end. I typically like my games to have beginnings and endings. There's just too much stuff to play for that and not enough time.
it's cool if you're someone that doesn't buy or play a lot of games throughout the year and want to get a good bang for your bucks but that's not me.
GAAS is such a broad term that it does not make sense to parse meaning before the game is even shown, especially from a rumour.
Love to see folks yap about how Sony just stay focused on dishing out the same kind of games year after year and don't make any attempt to diversify, especially in an era where the industry is consolidating and the potential is now there for some ip to no longer have an appearance on PS.
I think you're overselling GAAS games.
I play/buy alot of games(my ps4 catalog alone is in the hundreds) and I still manage to juggle multiple GAAS titles in any given year.
It's really no different than any other game.
For example I play fortnite a couple of times a week. I spend about an hour or two every few days to play MTGA for the past 3 years. I had a Valorant addiction that lasted a few months. I play destiny for a few weeks when new DLC drops.
And I do all this while also weaving in single player games when they become available.
It's not a big deal.
Wasn't expecting such baseless and nonsensical FUD when I saw that this thread got bumped. There's absolutely no indication that Sony is going to move towards multiplayer GAAS and ditch single player, and games as a services isn't the boogie man close minded enthusiasts who don't on this forum think it is either. It's such a broad term.
The irony is that this forum seems to love FF14 and fighting games.
A large slice of ERA still has a very narrow idea of what GaaS means, thinking of it as a genre in itself limited to a daily grind of shooting, fighting and looting.
Entirely untrue.
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What are the keywords between these two pieces?
"Social"
If anything, her op-ed is suggesting that she wants to do GAAS differently from what you'd expect from traditional console shooter GAAS. Her vision of GAAS is that online games doesn't need to be "sticky" from game design ( aka strikes, raids, daily logins, a dozen different currencies, grind ) , but rather she views her ideal of GAAS to be community and socially-driven, with lightweight gameplay and UGC playing a role to create communities on its own.
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Where have you been? Lol
Every new MP or GAAS announced the reaction is the same here; "hard pass" "don't care" "this is so shit".
We literally had people complaining about Battlefield 2042 not having a 5 hours campaign and this was a big deal for a lot of them apparently.
I'm willing to keep an open mind, since one of the best games last gen was a GAAS title, namely Suda's Let It Die. Although, I seriously doubt a team with their history is going to come up with something as unique as it was, and still is.
So many multiplayer projects from Sony and no Warhawk 2. Fuck all of this :)
And yeah, GaaS and multiplayer are turnoffs. Can still be good games, but it's unlikely that I enjoy them as much as a classic single player game.
And yeah, GaaS and multiplayer are turnoffs. Can still be good games, but it's unlikely that I enjoy them as much as a classic single player game.
People are shocked this is MP? I remember it sounding like a MP title when it was announced.
As for what I feel about this, not interested at all. If they want to make MP games then please partner with third party developers like this so that the first party developers can make SP games. In the other words, I don't care as long as the first parties don't waste their times with this (I am fine with side modes/games while they are making a main SP game though).
As for what I feel about this, not interested at all. If they want to make MP games then please partner with third party developers like this so that the first party developers can make SP games. In the other words, I don't care as long as the first parties don't waste their times with this (I am fine with side modes/games while they are making a main SP game though).
Not really. Everyone is doing MP these days, if you're into MP it's not exactly a drought.
Not for me. And, as I said, there's plenty of MP shooters out there, if you like them.
No we don't.
I would say they are focusing on an area not many major publishers are invested in. It's their thing. Why do they need to do what everyone else is doing?
Also, people are abusing that "cinematic game" term, trying to make it sound like Sony is making just one thing. PlayStation Studios make very different games - for example, this year we'll have Returnal, Rift Apart and Horizon II Forbidden West - and these are very different games.
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You don't have to like everything and Sony doesn't have to fund things that everyone likes. If you don't like games as a service and this turns out to be in that mould then just sit it out, there's hundreds of other games to play.
Ultimately with games as a service and multiplayer games in general, their success is democratic. If they're really good and worthwhile they'll attract an audience that keeps playing them.
I don't remember asking you to be fair, so what's the point of all these comments? Like I don't care if you don't enjoy MP games I was talking about myself lol
I'm not sure if you're familiar with the concept of public forums, but you don't have to ask anyone anything for them to give their opinion.
lol, relax friend. Sony's got single player content coming out the wazoo and no doubt will be doubling down on that compared to what we got last gen. They know what their strength is and no way they're going to abandon it, and all the evidence points to them fortifying their position as leaders in that field. At the same time Sony's allowed to expand their horizons with content to flesh out their own catalog even more. It doesn't matter if other 3rd parties are also doing MP, Sony wants their own slice of the pie that they own and plenty of gamers are always looking for something fresh and new to play.
Sony's a business just like any other and honestly it doesn't take much thought to answer the question of why they'd want to expand their multiplayer footprint when we look at how much money MP games rake in. It's also why they're expanding their PC footprint and mobile footprint. It's also why they're bringing their IP to TV and movies. More money.
They want the one thing that all other companies want - your time. They want you spending as much time with their products, using their services and engrossed in their games as possible. You argue that there's tons of third parties out there doing it, well guess what, those third parties have their content on other non-Sony platforms too and plenty of people are spending their time on those other platforms as well. Sony wants some hot-shit exclusive multiplayer content that folks will have to experience in their ecosystem. No doubt as this gen progresses we'll see more MP titles from them that have console/PC/mobile cross-play.
And really, what company doesn't want their next multiplayer title to be the next Fortnite, or the next CoD, or the next Destiny. A successful IP like that can help fund a dozen big single player AAA games so as a fan of single player games you should be HOPING that their multiplayer ventures are successful as that means more money to dump into other ventures. To quote Cerny, a rising tide lifts all boats.
They don't need to do what everyone else is doing but more variety in their FP AAA-offerings doesn't hurt. People who buy Sony consoles also would like to play first person-shooters, multiplayer games, role-playing games etc developed by the big Sony studios.
There certainly isn't a plenty of Souls-/roguelikes with co-op and/or asynchronous PVP for those who don't like the usual PVP in multiplayer games, or shooters in general.
We have way too much open world games in general these days. There's a drought of linear/Metroidvania 3rd person games in the AAA space, especially when even Sony started to follow that trend during the latter half of last gen.
I'm familiar with the concept of public forum but you are replying with someone giving his damn opinion and being excited on new type of games coming from Sony. "No we don't" or "there's enough GAAS" comments are pretty much void statement that makes no sense since I wasn't asking an opinion.
If you are not asked to give an opinion you shouldn't reply to others people posts in such a passive/defensive way.
Some people don't like horror games. Some don't like JRPGs. Some don't like CRPGs. Some don't like racing games. Some don't like episodic games. Some don't like walking sims. Some don't like open-world, Ubisoft-like games. Some don't like soulsbornes. Some don't like rogue-likes. Some don't like simulators.
Why is it that some take offence at others not being into heavily multiplayer, or, at least, online-focused experiences?
I'd like to see more FPS campaigns like Half-Life 2/Halo Reach, but if they have to go the Destiny route (which I am expecting from Firewalk) hopefully they have better level design and structure.
But they're not leaving that part of the market behind, as evidenced by all of their big PS5 releases so far.
Stadia closed down all internal development studios at the beginning of the year IIRC, and she was head of one of their internal development teams.
Plus probably a multiplayer shooter from Guerrilla Games. And those are just the ones we know about/can make informed guesses about.
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The irony is that after their huge success last gen with the likes of Horizon, GoW, GoT and Spider-Man they're probably going to invest even more in single player games. They'll just be investing in new MP games as well.
There are less and less mid sized AAA one and done SP games. Just look at Ubisoft, outside Mario&Rabbids they don't have single AAA game shorter than 50h riddled with MTX and bloated content. EA is releasing SP AAA game once in a blue moon, MS pipeline is also thin with those kind of games. And then we see even indie developers now going for GAAS. They stopped making immersive sims, stealth games, they stopped making 12-15h action adventure games. So no there are no hundreds of games that I can/want to play.
Oh, I agree and I know what their business decision is here, also, I don't think their singleplayer games are going away, not this gen anyway. However, lately (and this has little to do with Sony) I became worried about big-budget singleplayer games long-term for some reason. And yes, I know a ton of sp games are coming out all the time, but the way Fortnites, CoDs and similar games are dominating the market and earning insane amounts of money, it gets me thinking. And then the rumors of Spider-Man 2 being coop started coming out, then quite a few Sony 1st party studios started working on MP games, etc.
And I'm not really worried, I'm just discussing it and reacting to people - it's not like I go through my day thinking about this :) Thanks for the detailed reply, btw.
To be fair we're getting Resident Evil Village, Ratchet & Clank, Psychonauts 2 and Deathloop in a three month window. There are lots of AAA single player experiences for those who want them, with a new Halo and Horizon game at the end of this year.
I'm not sure why you think Immersive Sim and Stealth Games have disappeared. We had Hitman 3 this year, Arkane have made incredible immersive sims in the last decade and have another Immersive Sim next year. I'm playing through Doom right now, when I'm done I'll move to Deaths Door. There's tons of one and done experiences to fill your boots with if that's what you're into.
GaaS multiplayer games are still a minority within the industry, but a lot of high profile companies have pivoted to the model to sustain their communities. Sony still have Guerrilla, Naughty Dog, SSM, Insomniac, Sucker Punch, Sony Bend and more who have all released singleplayer one and done games in the last 2-3 years and will all no doubt release more of them in the future.
Ultimately Sony don't have a good multiplayer IP in their roster and haven't created one to date. It's highly logical to keep trying to achieve that as they are well stocked for Singleplayer IPs.
Some people are really gonna hate Sony's output this gen, between their stack of MP projects and PSVR 2 which will cover a lot of first person perspective games. I love when licensed games do things well, like Alien Isolation in first person is perfection, but something like Avatar though? I can't help but side with people disappointed in a decision like that - it feels a bit wasteful not being able to see your player character (Na'vi) in this case.
IF it is a online service game (GaaS) then yes. I don't play nor like this stuff.
Honestly, I'm in the same boat, most multiplayer games aren't really for me and it would be fair to be a bit skeptical cause the Gaas trend didn't really work for most but can't just dismiss everything before we see a single frame, not unless they're all making the same game for some reason.
Yeah I remember reading someone from Rainbow Six is attached to a project at Guerrilla now.
They have to, I don't think they can afford not to tbh. But regarding the first person thing, it just feels like some people here don't care for that entire camera perspective and dismiss it entirely as if every game in fp is the same.
